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Wow, I've been on this site for a long time and never watched that video...eye opening.

 

And now I have a question my mind is not working through.

 

I have a 8.5 Ping G400. I sole the club on every shot so I now understand it does not matter what loft I set it at for the sake of loft but when I go to the small + or the large + and still sole it how much am I changing the lie angle to? (RH adapter). Also am I right that by "adding loft" and soling the club I am closing the face angle?

 

This video explains what you are asking.

 

G400 Adjustment process.

 

BTW, just cause you sole your club every time, it doesn't mean you can't AIM your club.

 

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Interesting, so regardless of either going “up” or “down” in loft on the hosel settings you are decreasing lie angle on both.

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Wow, I've been on this site for a long time and never watched that video...eye opening.

 

And now I have a question my mind is not working through.

 

I have a 8.5 Ping G400. I sole the club on every shot so I now understand it does not matter what loft I set it at for the sake of loft but when I go to the small + or the large + and still sole it how much am I changing the lie angle to? (RH adapter). Also am I right that by "adding loft" and soling the club I am closing the face angle?

 

This video explains what you are asking.

 

G400 Adjustment process.

 

BTW, just cause you sole your club every time, it doesn't mean you can't AIM your club.

 

BT

 

Interesting, so regardless of either going “up” or “down” in loft on the hosel settings you are decreasing lie angle on both.

 

Depends on the OEM. Some have multiple cogs that allow you to offset some of that.

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Interesting, so regardless of either going "up" or "down" in loft on the hosel settings you are decreasing lie angle on both.

 

 

the zero position is the most upright. little plus and little minus are the the most flat. big plus and big minus are more upright again but not quite as upright as zero. the reason for the odd arrangement is their choice of 5 hosel settings. if you want to know why you'll have to read the thread from the start.

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Great video.. I sent this out to the MGA at my club. They're all even more confused now! Easy money for me!!!

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I can watch this video from time to time .

Although nothing is 100% perfect, but this video obviously is one of the best in explaining the modern day "adjustable hosel" to the average golfers . Where in the old days we had to grip the driver differently to create a different ball flight. Or change the swing path for the same reason, which both had inconsistent results.

I still set my "adjustable" hosel at standard position most of the time, for the same reason Tom mentioned .

Placing the club face square at address after adjustment is made , felt strange with hands position in relationship to the shaft. Hence I kept it mostly at the std position.

If the OEM offer an option for glued in hosel as an alternative at less cost, I'd give it my vote.

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> @cutchemist42 said:

> So is there a reason the companies preferred letting people solve it open/closed vs twisting the shaft to square the club? That's how you get the stated loft right, by twisting the shaft while holding the shaft straight?

>

> I play the 2017 M2 if it matters.

 

Squaring the face or returning it to the original position would probably be a more appropriate term...but yes.

 

Why? Marketing? Maybe the OEMs observed people's natural use of the clubs and noticed they were more prone to aligning the club by what they saw with their eyes when it didn't look right to them? Plenty of guesses can be made...no one has really ever came out and stated an answer.

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As a no talent lefty , I haven’t sliced in years with any driver unless I tried. Lessons did that for me. So I consider myself a straight driver on the most part. I don’t sole my driver and use a 10.5 degree set to -1 position. It works great for me. But that’s from a fairly straight shooter which Wishon said the adjustable driver will work best. So I got that going for net.

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Is the loft adjust-ability concept the same for all manufacturers? I have a Taylor Made M4 driver that has a single hosel adjuster (loft only), where my previous Titleist driver had a dual stage hosel adjuster (loft and draw/fade). From what I infer from this is you adjust the loft up or down and then square the club face at address to get the new loft. Correct?

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I haven’t been able to review all the previous posts in this thread, but as a 3.5 year golfer, count me in the camp that did not understand how the adjustable driver settings worked, and I think my misunderstanding has worked against me greatly.

I would see +1 on the settings of my 10.5 degree driver and think I changed the loft to my benefit. More loft = higher launch, more giving, and better carry and distance for me 98mph driver speed. But I was address the club soled and not rotating the face square.

Correct me if I am wrong, but by having the club face closed with the club soled on the +1 loft setting, wasn’t I actually DELOFTING the club at address, thereby having the exact opposite effect of what I was attempting to accomplish?

Likewise, wouldn’t setting the driver to the -1 setting and addressing the club on its sole with an open face without readjusting the grip to square the face actually ADD loft?

In other words, soled with an open club face adds loft, and soled with a closed club face decreases loft, which is the exact opposite of what the user thinks they are doing without knowing you must adjust the face to square. Is that correct?

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you are correct, in a round-about way. You are essentially either opening or closing the face relative to the club path, all things equal. While it isn’t necessarily a static loft change, it has that dynamic effect.

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Yeah I had read the first couple of pages and saw where some posters were giving Tom hell saying nobody would misunderstand that they need to square the face at address for the hosel to work, but certainly didn’t.

I spent the better part of 2 years thinking my soled-closed clubface made my driver play at 11.5* instead of 10.5* when I was actually taking loft away.

I don’t recall seeing anything in any manuals saying I needed to manipulate the face back to square to get the intended effect.

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@DLev45 Correct me if I am wrong, but by having the club face closed with the club soled on the +1 loft setting, wasn’t I actually DELOFTING the club at address, thereby having the exact opposite effect of what I was attempting to accomplish?

No, that part is not correct. The hosel adjustement changes face angle without changing loft, so there was no delofting going on. Just the face angle changes.

And whether you sole the club or not at address is not what matters. What happens at impact is the only thing that matters. So the important question I haven't seen an answer to is what happened at impact? After adjusting the face closed, did your left/right ball flight tendencies change or stay the same?

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I thought having the face open increased effective loft and closed decreased effective loft, i.e., I open the face on my wedge to hit a higher/softer shot.

So I was applying that same concept to the driver. If I have my 10.5* driver set to -1*, it opens the face when soled. To get the desired 9.5* setting, I have to square the pre-set open face and re-grip. But if I DIDN'T manually re-square the face and left it 2* open, have I not actually increased the effective loft like opening a wedge 1-2 degrees?

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Only when you open the face by twisting the grip in your hand - and it's not really the effective loft that changes in that case (effective loft is the loft when the face is square, not open or closed). The dynamic loft may change if you keep the face open (or closed) through impact. Using the hosel adjustment is very different so the same rules don't apply. With the hosel adjustment, the face angle changes w/o any loft change. The effective loft does change so you will get the loft change if the face is square at impact but no change in loft if the face angle change is maintained through impact.

So. Lets start with a head with a 0* face angle and 10* loft at it's standard setting.

adjust the hosel setting to +1*. Now the face angle is 1.8* closed, but at that orientation the loft is still 10*. If you open it back to a square position (by rotating the head), then that opening is what increases the loft to 11*.

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I don’t want a closed face on my 10.5 driver, but I can benefit from another degree of loft, with the head square testing shows. The Ping driver is set at the small plus (one degree on the 410). Rather than trying to manipulate the driver head consisently to square with my hands, ( being a bit nearsided doesn’t help), the grip is being reinstalled grip logo up with the head square at address. I then should only need to worry about lining my hands up to the grip logo for a square starting position.

I’m doing a similar grip shift with my 5 wood, but this time the grip is being oriented to square while the adaptor is set at the small minus. I have a G 7 wood that is also set one degree weaker, but for now I’ll leave the grip as is.

 

 

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If it works, it works. A grip with a reminder is not necessarily a bad way to go either if it is comfortable to you.

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Great thread. Quick question that may have been asked but do most adjustable driver heads of the same make and model - come out of the same mold regardless of loft?

For example - are the 8 / 9 / 10.5 degree SIM Max heads all the same with different hosel bore to determine the loft? If so - do they set up differently

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Personally, I have yet to see a head that has the same static loft across all printed lofts when measured using the sole plate...so I would say no. The stamped loft on the head would appear to still be relative to the sole, not the hosel. The end game is that it's going to be manufacturer dependent on how they choose to design their heads though.

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Answer is no. If you have 3 printed lofts on the heads, they came from 3 different manufacturing templates. The hosel should be considered neutral in this discussion, and really with modern head designs, most are spec-ing off a perpendicular hosel more so than how the head may rest at setup at least where loft is concerned.

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