Fitter dented brand new Miura Baby Blades

[hurley999s]

> @justasgood said:

> > With a run of the mill fitter on cheapo cast irons, I’d agree. And with marks that you’ve put on them by gaming them, I agree. But when the guy finds a Miura certified fitter and brings a brand new set of baby blades, this is totally unacceptable. $hit job. **Also, those aren’t chromed.**

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> They aren’t ??

 

Nickel with copper underlay so it’s a different technique than typical chrome plating in a way you usually see with cast clubs that can ripple and flake when bent. I believe Miura calls it white chrome, but to my knowledge there’s no actual chromium used in the plating.

[Socrates]

> @starrman77 said:

> Get over it. Bending an iron often leaves marks. Especially on chrome irons because you can't fix chrome. A month of playing them and you'll forget about it because there will be other marks.

 

Sorry, but you don't have a clue. These marks are made from not knowing what you are doing and those marks are in a spot where you will see them every time and will never go away. Totally ruined the clubs value and are now an eye sore. I hope the OP gets all of his money back.

[starrman77]

> @hurley999s said:

> > @starrman77 said:

> > Get over it. Bending an iron often leaves marks. Especially on chrome irons because you can't fix chrome. A month of playing them and you'll forget about it because there will be other marks.

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> With a run of the mill fitter on cheapo cast irons, I’d agree. And with marks that you’ve put on them by gaming them, I agree. But when the guy finds a Miura certified fitter and brings a brand new set of baby blades, this is totally unacceptable. $hit job. Also, those aren’t chromed.

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> For me, this is the equivalent of buying a new Mercedes, taking it into the dealer for its first service, and getting the car back with a flat tire, keyed, engine light on, no gas in the tank, and cigarette ash all over the interior. But hey, if you’re happy to pay people for pis$ poor work, I don’t think anyone here will convince you otherwise.

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These are golf clubs, not a Mercedes. The clank around in your bag, you hit balls with them, you hit them out of gritty sand, you hit an occasional rock. Do you buy clubs to look at or to play golf with. I bet you have covers on your irons, I don't. The amount of time irons stay pristine is the first time you play 18. I suggest you look in a pros bag and see the condition of their irons. You may learn something about condition. Do you buy clubs to play golf or to look at the shinny chrome?

[Socrates]

> @starrman77 said:

> > @hurley999s said:

> > > @starrman77 said:

> > > Get over it. Bending an iron often leaves marks. Especially on chrome irons because you can't fix chrome. A month of playing them and you'll forget about it because there will be other marks.

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> > With a run of the mill fitter on cheapo cast irons, I’d agree. And with marks that you’ve put on them by gaming them, I agree. But when the guy finds a Miura certified fitter and brings a brand new set of baby blades, this is totally unacceptable. $hit job. Also, those aren’t chromed.

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> > For me, this is the equivalent of buying a new Mercedes, taking it into the dealer for its first service, and getting the car back with a flat tire, keyed, engine light on, no gas in the tank, and cigarette ash all over the interior. But hey, if you’re happy to pay people for pis$ poor work, I don’t think anyone here will convince you otherwise.

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> These are golf clubs, not a Mercedes. The clank around in your bag, you hit balls with them, you hit them out of gritty sand, you hit an occasional rock. Do you buy clubs to look at or to play golf with. I bet you have covers on your irons, I don't. The amount of time irons stay pristine is the first time you play 18. I suggest you look in a pros bag and see the condition of their irons. You may learn something about condition.

 

I'm sure if you bought a brand new car and the all the doors were dented in, you wouldn't drive it off the lot and either you would want a new car or your money back. But it's okay since the doors don't have anything to do with how the car drives. It's all good.

[Nessism]

> @hurley999s said:

> > @justasgood said:

> > > With a run of the mill fitter on cheapo cast irons, I’d agree. And with marks that you’ve put on them by gaming them, I agree. But when the guy finds a Miura certified fitter and brings a brand new set of baby blades, this is totally unacceptable. $hit job. **Also, those aren’t chromed.**

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> > They aren’t ??

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> Nickel with copper underlay so it’s a different technique than typical chrome plating in a way you usually see with cast clubs that can ripple and flake when bent. I believe Miura calls it white chrome, but to my knowledge there’s no actual chromium used in the plating.

 

I don't think so. They look like chrome top coat not nickel. Nickel has a more yellow cast to it.

 

Regarding these clubs, I've seen way worse dents after bending before. I'm not going to say "get over it" but unless you are the type of player that will be using iron covers for the life of the clubs the extent of the denting doesn't seem that bad to me.

[Tommyj]

I know this comment isn't going to help your situation, but, If i) you tell a fitter ahead of time you want to try wedges and he doesn't have any when you get there; and ii) you want to try different shafts and he says you don't need to - the proper course of action is to walk out the door and find another fitter, even if you drove several hours to get to this one. You don't hand over your clubs for him to work on and you never pay for the work until you've had a chance to check out the finished product - even if that means a longer drive to get there.

 

After looking at what he did with the ferrules, what's the likelihood that he got the loft and lie adjustments right and that he did a decent job matching up the swing weights?

[hurley999s]

> @starrman77 said:

> > @hurley999s said:

> > > @starrman77 said:

> > > Get over it. Bending an iron often leaves marks. Especially on chrome irons because you can't fix chrome. A month of playing them and you'll forget about it because there will be other marks.

> >

> > With a run of the mill fitter on cheapo cast irons, I’d agree. And with marks that you’ve put on them by gaming them, I agree. But when the guy finds a Miura certified fitter and brings a brand new set of baby blades, this is totally unacceptable. $hit job. Also, those aren’t chromed.

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> > For me, this is the equivalent of buying a new Mercedes, taking it into the dealer for its first service, and getting the car back with a flat tire, keyed, engine light on, no gas in the tank, and cigarette ash all over the interior. But hey, if you’re happy to pay people for pis$ poor work, I don’t think anyone here will convince you otherwise.

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> These are golf clubs, not a Mercedes. The clank around in your bag, you hit balls with them, you hit them out of gritty sand, you hit an occasional rock. Do you buy clubs to look at or to play golf with. I bet you have covers on your irons, I don't. The amount of time irons stay pristine is the first time you play 18. I suggest you look in a pros bag and see the condition of their irons. You may learn something about condition. Do you buy clubs to play golf or to look at the shinny chrome?

 

Sorry your reading comprehension is as bad as this job but I said if the marks were from gaming them, I agree with you.

 

I definitely don’t use iron covers, but if we’re speculating about other members, I’m going to guess your IQ is about room temperature.

[ChaosTheory]

The marks on the faces near the hosel are not from the bending bar. It doesn't get anywhere close to that spot. I would say they are from the clamping fixture, but during the bending process. I've never seen the baby blades, but it looks like he felt he had to insert them full depth into the clamp in order to have a neutral lie orientation when clamped. I can see why that could be the case if the blade is really small, but nevertheless the results are nasty. As are the ferrules.

[Tzoid]

> @MooJersey said:

> I had an absolutely TERRIBLE HACK JOB build from the 2nd Swing brick and mortar store in Wilmington, DE.

> Ferrules were very sloppy, not turned down, and creeped leaving gaps. Epoxy was left on the hosel and shafts.

> Just very sloppy.

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> I learned my lesson. If you want a job done right you have to do it yourself. I paid for convenience, and now I am going to have to pull all the heads and redo it all anyway.

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You need to start using Woody at Baltimore Golf in Timonium MD. 1st rate quality work

[Socrates]

> @Snowman9000 said:

> The marks on the faces near the hosel are not from the bending bar. It doesn't get anywhere close to that spot. I would say they are from the clamping fixture, but during the bending process. I've never seen the baby blades, but it looks like he felt he had to insert them full depth into the clamp in order to have a neutral lie orientation when clamped. I can see why that could be the case if the blade is really small, but nevertheless the results are nasty. As are the ferrules.

 

Definitely from that, likely using a Mitchell Machine. Should've known as soon as he clamped one in that there was going to be a problem. You adapt to the situation and there is nothing that says that the iron HAS to be in the neutral position to bend it. Or you take the Mitchell apart and radius the sharp edge until you have clearance so it doesn't leave a mark. Nothing wrong with that either.

[hurley999s]

> @Nessism said:

> > @hurley999s said:

> > > @justasgood said:

> > > > With a run of the mill fitter on cheapo cast irons, I’d agree. And with marks that you’ve put on them by gaming them, I agree. But when the guy finds a Miura certified fitter and brings a brand new set of baby blades, this is totally unacceptable. $hit job. **Also, those aren’t chromed.**

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> > > They aren’t ??

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> > Nickel with copper underlay so it’s a different technique than typical chrome plating in a way you usually see with cast clubs that can ripple and flake when bent. I believe Miura calls it white chrome, but to my knowledge there’s no actual chromium used in the plating.

>

> I don't think so. They look like chrome top coat not nickel. Nickel has a more yellow cast to it.

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> Regarding these clubs, I've seen way worse dents after bending before. I'm not going to say "get over it" but unless you are the type of player that will be using iron covers for the life of the clubs the extent of the denting doesn't seem that bad to me.

 

I will not question you @Nessism when it comes to club building as I’ve learned a lot from your posts B) ...but would just point out that while I agree that usually nickel has more of a yellow tint and chrome more blue, many variances in color can come from voltage, metal purity, chemical reagents, etc during the plating process. So IF they use copper/nickel only, this could be explained. And I just recall reading about copper/nickel from Miura’s own literature - I haven’t re-finished or otherwise worked with them in a manner to verify.

 

Don’t want to veer this off-topic, so we can get back to bashing the build here :D

[justasgood]

> @hurley999s said:

> > @justasgood said:

> > > With a run of the mill fitter on cheapo cast irons, I’d agree. And with marks that you’ve put on them by gaming them, I agree. But when the guy finds a Miura certified fitter and brings a brand new set of baby blades, this is totally unacceptable. $hit job. **Also, those aren’t chromed.**

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> > They aren’t ??

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> Nickel with copper underlay so it’s a different technique than typical chrome plating in a way you usually see with cast clubs that can ripple and flake when bent. I believe Miura calls it white chrome, but to my knowledge there’s no actual chromium used in the plating.

 

From Q&A with Miura golf GolfWRX presented:

 

 

 

Then the hosel is attached by a process we call spin-forging: It's spun onto the head at a very high speed, and the friction creates a weld. We finish off the weld scarf, **_chrome the club,_** and it operates as if it were always one piece.

[hurley999s]

> @justasgood said:

> > @hurley999s said:

> > > @justasgood said:

> > > > With a run of the mill fitter on cheapo cast irons, I’d agree. And with marks that you’ve put on them by gaming them, I agree. But when the guy finds a Miura certified fitter and brings a brand new set of baby blades, this is totally unacceptable. $hit job. **Also, those aren’t chromed.**

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> > >

> > > They aren’t ??

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> > Nickel with copper underlay so it’s a different technique than typical chrome plating in a way you usually see with cast clubs that can ripple and flake when bent. I believe Miura calls it white chrome, but to my knowledge there’s no actual chromium used in the plating.

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> From Q&A with Miura golf GolfWRX presented:

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> Then the hosel is attached by a process we call spin-forging: It's spun onto the head at a very high speed, and the friction creates a weld. We finish off the weld scarf, **_chrome the club,_** and it operates as if it were always one piece.

 

I stand corrected. I also found an old topic where someone contacted Miura directly and their reply was the plating alloy was a combination of nickel and chromium (35 micron thick in case anyone is curious).

[the bishop]

Be careful posting that kind of stuff on here Ryan. One of these dudes will propose marriage to you over stuff like that! Nice ferrule work btw. It's the little things like that, grip alignment and the like that makes a huge difference in how a build looks.

[jhaw]

Trash job. There’s no reason to damage the clubs like this when adjusting lie/loft

[lonscicles]

I had a similar issue and faulty build from David Dugally at Miura Golf Coast and unfortunately the builder failed to take any type of responsibility for the improper build or issue surrounding what was misappropriated. Just unfortunate that it’s difficult to navigate good from the bad in boutique builds until jumping ‘in bed’ with them for $2,000+. Thankfully I’ve finally landed on a small handful of those that do a phenomenal job and keep them close.

[MTF19]

This car comparison is so overblown. They may be extensive sticks to hit balls with but they are still just sticks to hit balls with. After 36 holes the marks will be indistinguishable from normal wear and tear.

[hurley999s]

It’s really not. You’re making a value judgment based on a car being more expensive than the clubs, that’s it. Bottom line, you either know how to do the job, have the right tools, and do it properly, or you don’t and produce $h*t work like this...that then gets circulated around and eventually puts you out of business because you aren’t good.

And since you’re a Johnny come lately, I don’t use iron covers and fully expect my clubs to get beat up...but there’s a massive difference in that versus taking a new set to a supposed master club builder and having them come back with awful ferrules and bending bar marks all over them.

Know what you’re doing and use the right tools for the job, get proper results. Simple as that.

[MTF19]

I’m not really - I’m making a judgement based on the fact that, unlike a car, golf clubs are designed to be swung really fast at a ball which is sitting on the ground and, when they are not doing that, they are banging against each other in a bag.

 

So if there are a few marks on them it’s hardly a big deal in the scheme of things. And not the equivalent of “getting the car back with a flat tire, keyed, engine light on, no gas in the tank, and cigarette ash all over the interior”. That is all I was saying.

[cpeck]

were you able to check swing weights somewhere else yet? do you believe the actual fitting you got was precise? i’d be worried everything else was shit. if demand at the least, the money for fitting, and installation fee back immediately along with the ferrules you like and go somewhere else. or send them to that fella ryan above! that shit looks amazing as duck.

[hurley999s]

It’s called hyperbole...not meant to be taken literally but used to illustrate a point. This one being that any club builder worth his salt 1) wouldn’t produce that kind of result and 2) certainly wouldn’t deliver to the customer in that condition. It’s total hack work.