High(est) MOI putters that aren't Taylormade Spiders?

[Z1ggy16]

Doesn't help that I'm LH but what are my options right now? For some reason the Spider has always sat a little open for me and I've just accepted it's probably not for me. My stroke needs a little bit of toe hang, so the face balanced version is probably a no go, even if it fixed the openness of it.

I've been fit on Quintic so I know my rough specs and what works and what doesn't but being left handed makes it tough to even go demo putters. I was highly considering a directed force putter but I just can't come to terms with shelling out that kind of money blindly, as literally nobody near me fits them. I've also tried the new Sigma 2 Tyne and the Ardmore 2 L neck, and both were meh. Better results with the Ardmore but the Red color was very distracting to me.

 

[Ngjg21]

Not positive it comes in lefty, so apologies in advance if not...but Evnroll’s ER10 Outback is a nice option in that category.

[Z1ggy16]

As far as I can tell the ER10 will not be coming in lefty.

[Ngjg21]

Ok my bad—sorry about that.

[Z1ggy16]

Yeah with EVRNOLL being a small company, they just can't afford the tooling costs associated with making all their models in lefty. In the big OEMs usually don't offer everything in LH. I've considered the ER6 in black but it's just too face balanced for me. All else equal I need like 25-35* of toe hang.

[Mcgeeno]

I'm a lefty and what about a Ping Ketsch?

 

Big mallet, a few different stroke options, big sight lines.

 

I don't know the official MOI numbers but it seems very forgiving and it keeps winning a spot in my bag.

[Dpavs]

While I have not seen one in person yet, I understand the new Callaway Bird of Prey sits very square and it can be had in a left handed model

[tlehmann]

The SC Phantom X 12.5 will be coming out in lefty, as will the betti inovai.. both pretty slick new options for high-end takes on spider imo

[Z1ggy16]

@Mcgeeno Yeah Ketsch is probably the #1 option for me right now... I've actually rolled the newer one with the softer face and really liked it. Only see a face balanced version for lefty in most stores but it's certainly a top contender. @Dpavs Yeah it looks interesting but from the looks of it, I'm not really loving it. Little too weird for my eye from the photos...@tlehmann I do like the looks, could be an option. Thx.

[MattM97]

The highest MOI putters you can find for a lefty are the Cure CX1. They're big, their kinda odd to look at at first but a ton of forgiveness. Just have to keep an eye for them online but you can get them cheap to try out.

 

I think the Bettinardi inovi line is pretty high MOI as well.

[Z1ggy16]

@MattM97 https://bettinardi.com/collections/black-friday-11-29-19/products/inovai-6-0-crescent-neck-left-handed-blackout-putter

^ ohh myyy goooddnesssss, so smooth. Might not be the highest in MOI but man o man, that looks sick.

[MattM97]

That's actually pretty nice. Wouldn't be hard to get a regular one, send it in to someone and get it blacked out. Would cost about the same.

[Z1ggy16]

For sure. They just need to have the stuff to remove the anodizing. Worth a look...

[nsxguy]

Most of the current Odyssey Stroke Lab mallets seem to be about as forgiving as thee Spiders.

 

Don't think the Betti Innovai is as forgiving though.

[GeorgeHWB]

High MOI in a putter is vastly overrated.

[Z1ggy16]

Explain your position? Tons of big names gaming Spider X... Saw Phil using the Stroke lab 10, etc. If it's over rated and a waste, every pro would be in a bullseye still. I'm not looking to game a 450g sledgehammer, I just want something that's on the order of MOI of a Spider, but not that shape as I find it a little distracting and the slant neck sits open to my eye.

[sixfootnick]

Do you think pros game mallets because of MOI? I have a feeling it has more to do with looks and alignment.

[Z1ggy16]

I do, I think it's a factor. You think Phil used a #9 for the last 15+ years and decided to test a Stroke Lab10 because it looks pretty? Maybe Callaway forced him or he was just curious... not sure if he has it in the bag or not. I know he used it during tournament play so odds are he must think it does something beneficial.

Also, if you look at SAM Putt Lab data, MANY professionals do not aim their putter dead nuts in the middle of the hole. A lot of players also use a line on their ball to line things up, so how they aim the putter may not matter as much to them if all they need to do is align the putter face perpendicular to the ball line.

[BlkNGld]

The new odyssey mallets - 10 and BoP are supposed to be pretty high MOI. Unless you just don't like the Spyder look, some have said the 10 has less of a tendency to sit open than the Spyder.

To the point that another poster made, I think that MOI is one of those things that has become more of a selling point than an advantage - you can sort of see this in how some OEMs are coming up with ways to come up with bigger numbers.

Someone did some things to add MOI and saw it helped, and marketed it. That's kind of turned into the more MOI, the better. But at some point adding that is going to come at the expense of some other design qualities that might not be right for everyone. As another example, lots of OEMs are pushing low spin stuff, but that's not for everyone.

[FairwaysToHeaven]

interesting to see how cleveland frontline putters are changing the thought process and moving cg to the front of the putter completely going against the grain of the high moi putters. we'll see if this is a one off thing or technology that other putter companies begin to copy as the face technology has improved like that in the evnroll or others that allow faster ball speeds on off center hits.

[Z1ggy16]

Edit: So I had wrote something about the Cleveland putter with regards to its MOI, yadda yadda but it was wrong. From what I just read, Cleveland is saying MOI doesn't really matter that much and they can control distance through face milling, instead of using MOI. Essentially, making the center of the face less hot to match the ball speeds you'd get near the toe and heel. Theoretically it works but I'd rather just have my putter face twist less since start direction is critical. The red below is interesting even if the writers have skin in the game.

I found this line to be quite interesting, and it does make sense from a physics POV:

"The rearward location of the COG on larger four-corners weighted mallets necessarily increases gear effect spin on off-center hits. Moving the COG forward will reduce gear effect spin; but increasing MOI has a much stronger influence on gear effect spin by dramatically reducing the twist itself. As discussed already; conventional putters with a MOI of approximately 4,000 gcm2 twist about 600% more than high MOI putters such as the Cure RX1 with a MOI of 11,400 gcm2 . Cure putters employ a forward COG design as well as industry leading high MOI to directly resist the rotation and reduce gear effect.

Forward COG with high MOI is the REAL answer to combating gear effect spin without sacrificing distance or line control. "https://cureputters.com/blogs/news

[PixlPutterman]

Im not sure anything has more MOI and the DF Reno.....

[Z1ggy16]

The giant bohemoth Cure RX5 probably does but... I'm going to try and get fit for a DF later next year, I ended up finding a guy who fits them. I called and he doesn't use SAM or Quintic though so I'm not really sure if it's even worth my time. I'll probably go do it if whatever I end up getting as a result of my Quintic fitting later this month ends up not working out well for me on the course.

[PixlPutterman]

Im not sure the SAM is needed, these putters are fit to your lie angle and stroke type, thats it....

 

You really need 3 pieces of info, length, lie angle, gated or SBST stroke, thats it

[Z1ggy16]

I generally like to see what my face angle at impact is between various putters, and in reality... since you can't change the loft on these putters, seeing when forward roll begins would be pretty useful to know. Even just rolling putts on a velvet roll board would be better than nothing.

[PixlPutterman]

Dont disagree with you there, its a great putter if you can get over the looks, literally point and shoot, speed is all you are worried about.

 

I couldnt swing the cost of new so I got one that was sort of close to my specs. I struggled with speed (impatient) so I sold it but plan on getting one at my specs in the future

[Z1ggy16]

Looks don't really bug me tooooooo much, I did get to see a RH model recently and I enjoyed the sound and feel off the face. More concerned with how my face angle will be at impact and also how the effective loft plays and where I'd need to address the ball. If I can't see launch or roll or any of that info, to me... it's not a proper fit. I could kind of just "guess" based on how the ball rolls when I play, but.. meh. I already know what lie and length I need so I'm probably fine just seeing if I Can get lucky and pick up a used one in the right specs.

[MaineMariner]

I'm pretty sure that Phil used the 10 for a couple rounds and then went back to his #9.

I tend to agree that MOI is a bit overrated. I think it's more important to have a putter that's fit to your stroke and that you can consistently deliver to the ball with the face square. If you aren't getting the face square at impact, I don't think a high MOI putter is really going to help your putting THAT much.

All things equal, I'd rather have a high MOI putter than a low MOI putter, but I would rather have a putter that I can get square at impact than a putter that I can't get square but that is more forgiving on off-center strikes. If that makes sense.

[Z1ggy16]

Yeah without a doubt, face square to target is #1. I'm not surprised though he'd go back... the #9 has extreme toe hang and just looks completely different... it's literally not even close to how the 10 would react within the stroke I'm guessing.

I actually was fit for a blade a year ago and it was absolute money on the perfect fitting green which was running around 11 I was told. Soon as I got onto bumpy muni greens running at 6 or 7, I was having to make longer strokes...finding center was harder and my distance control was terrible. I love the look of like a Newport 2 (in that case I had a Juno) but on long putts it was very, very bad. It's not even something I can practice a lot either because the course near my house always has guys practicing. Tough to get a look at more than a 10 foot putt most of the time.

[Z1ggy16]

Just wanted to chime back in as I got a putter fitting today. Ended up in an ER5 and was getting really good numbers. 2nd place was a spider x but I was less consistent with it and also was getting small amounts of back spin. I found the ER5 to be pretty forgiving and my small miss hits still went in the hole.

Also tried out stability shaft... Got two face impacts of 0.0* but my path was slightly more in to out. Might end up installing the new Tour shaft down the road. Should have the ER5 in a week or two.