What is the one rule you wish could be changed

[LICC]

Illogical inconsistencies in the rules should be removed. That doesn't equate to removing bunkers.

[CaseyC]

Can people honestly disagree on what constitutes an illogical inconsistency and what does not?

[sui generis]

The trollfest becomes more bizarre by the hour. How does it think up this crazy stuff? It's like listening to AM radio.

[Vindog]

The preference is to hit into the fairway, actually.

 

The least preferred is to hit it OB.

 

The PA being somewhere in the middle

[Newby]

 in its original location or in a bad lie

The original position may not have been a bad lie. The are other reasons why a player may not be able to make a stroke

[deadsolid...shank]

Forty pages of arguing about a rule being illogical. Because one person deems it so. I can respect and appreciate a person’s opinion that they don’t like the rule, that’s perfectly understandable. But in a made up GAME, most any game, couldn’t almost any arbitrary rule be called illogical?

 

[davep043]

And is a bad lie necessarily unplayable? I know I've hit a ton of shots from bad lies, but I rarely need to take unplayable ball relief. He's never actually provided a workable definition of what he would like "unplayable" to mean.

[CaseyC]

I mean, if it is so easy to define a divot hole, and when a divot hole is not a divot hole, then "unplayable" should be a piece of cake.

Wait, what!

[Shilgy]

Here's value to end this thread. At least for me. Enough of this drivel.

It has been mentioned before but you have tried to compare it to a foul ball in baseball-except in golf you need to play foul balls not get a do over.

 

The penalty for OB is more severe than a penalty area because, quite simply, you failed to keep the ball on the course. PERIOD. It would be more logical to make the OB penalty a DQ as you failed to keep the ball on the course but they have leniently just made it stroke and distance.

 

I do admire your persistence though. I don't think you even believe some of what you type. You just enjoy the attention and consternation you bring from other posters.

[Halebopp]

Let me tell you a secret. They are not bad golfers because they can't hit their driver through a 10-yard window. They are bad golfers because they refuse to play a club with which they can safely hit the 10-yard window or lay up short of it.

[Vindog]

Lets stop with the illogical/inconsistent argument as it relates to a ball's ability to be played. That's been discounted.

 

 

[Mr. Bean]

LICC, still waiting for your answer to my question.

Or are you willing by now to admit that you cannot give a satisfactory answer? Or a one that is not illogical?

[DaveLeeNC]

@LICC Clearly, the bullets are being applied to a ball in its original location, which was unplayable, or in a new location that is a bad lie. The fact that they added the words "in a bad lie" supports my argument that a player shouldn't just declare a ball in a good lie as unplayable. The "does not wish to" language in the second bullet is constrained by the beginning of the interpretation, which limits the scope to a ball in its original unplayable position or in its newly dropped position "in a bad lie."
Just to be sure that I understand. You are saying that the RoG allow a different set of principles to govern unplayable lies after a drop (when the ball is in play) than for that same position when the ball lands there after a stroke. Is that what you are saying?
If that is what you are saying, then I don't know what to say.
dave

[davep043]

He also chooses to ignore the FIRST bullet point, which clearly says that after the drop, the player is in a new situation, that the initial "bad lie" is no longer material. So the bullet points say that this is a new situation, and if the player doesn't want to play the shot from this new situation, the player may take relief.

[LICC]

What in blazes are you talking about? Whatever you just said, that is not what I'm saying.

[Londoner]

So do I get relief from a divot or not? ?

[Halebopp]

If you're playing blades because they ain't no shovels.

[DaveLeeNC]

I believe that you said that after an unplayable lie drop the rules allow you to take another unplayable lie just because it is a bad lie. You have steadfastly maintained that is not legal in other situations. So a ball in play after some drops is somehow different than a ball in play that just landed in the same spot. That is what you said - maybe not what you meant.

dave

[DaveLeeNC]

If the divot has been filled then it is 'Ground Under Repair" so clearly you get relief. If the divot has not been filled then there has been no repair so there is no relief. It really is logical and easy if you just take every word literally.

dave

[HatsForBats]

Who is being forced to hit it towards the pond? Certainly it is the wiser choice to err to that side but no-one is forced to do that.

[LICC]

The first bullet falls within the scope of the initial statement. It just means you can’t re-do the drop. You are really reaching here.

[davep043]

And you are inventing requirements that are not in the rules. Unplayable is, and will always be, a matter of the player's individual judgement until a specific definition is inserted into the rules. Try to write one yourself, we'll all help you to make it applicable to all potential situations.

[nsxguy]

LMAO.

You've been doing this pretty much since you joined the thread. Why can't Shilgy ?

But you full well know this.

 

[LICC]

Do you think I made this up?:

All players are expected to play in the spirit of the game by:

Acting with integrity – for example, by following the Rules, applying all penalties, and being honest in all aspects of play.

[davep043]

And integrity, including playing by the rules, applying penalties, and being honest about my judgement, is saying "This is a difficult situation, I've decided to treat my ball as unplayable, as authorized under Rule 19.1, and take penalty relief under Rule 19.2"

[LICC]

Pretty sure you got this one wrong too.

[LICC]

Yes, I know that you believe treating a perfectly playable ball as unplayable is somehow still being honest. Even doing so as a pretense to change your ball is just fine with your system of integrity. Which is why I don't trust any judgment you have on the rules or on sportsmanship ever again.

[Sawgrass]

It’s useless to try to help LICC with his issues. He is uniquely devoted to obfuscation.

I believe everyone here knows the truth, but if I’m wrong and you don’t, simply call the USGA for your clarification.

And for god’s sake, if you do call, don’t bother to post the response here, as LICC will simply call the USGA “illogical” and attempt to obfuscate once again.

Can we please move on?

[DaveLeeNC]

FYI - Smiley Faces have a purpose. And you are only 'pretty sure' that what I stated is wrong??

dave

[LICC]

I was being nice because I like you ...