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@LICC I am curious about something. You seem to be opposed to the idea of declaring a obviously hit-able ball to be unplayable (and then taking 2 CL or BOL relief). So which change do you prefer?
1) No real change in the rules. Just remove any reference to an unplayable ball or lie and replace it with something like 'undesirable' (or some such term - we'll assume that it is a term that gets your approval).
2) The USGA should start enforcing your view and your very literal interpretation of and interaction of the rules (in which case they should address the GUR 'problem' as well)
Which one do you think is correct?
dave
ps. FWIW, there is a bunch of rules work to be done regarding #2. Despite your earlier claims, that path would absolutely require that much more descriptive information and guidance WRT 'is this lie unplayable?'. Maybe you intend for an unplayable lie to be strictly in the context of a given golfer where a highly skilled golfer might encounter a lie that is not unplayable yet if I encountered that identical lie it would be unplayable. Or maybe it is just the lie without any regard to the golfer. And it is totally irrelevant that you know exactly what 'unplayable' means. Lots of us do not.
pps. There is a 3rd option. @LICC does not give a rats behind what the rules say. He/she just likes to argue.
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Dave, you're pps is most likely.

"pps. There is a 3rd option. @LICC does not give a rats behind what the rules say. He/she just likes to argue."

As others have suggested, let's all just leave the miscreant alone to argue with itself.

 

Knowledge of the Rules is part of the applied skill set which a player must use to play competitive golf.

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You posted a very reasonable and interesting question that was a nice starting point for a discussion, but you felt that you had to throw another snippy comment at the end instead of keeping things mature and civil. Are you all really this bitter that I pointed out flaws in your views? Rhetorical question. I'll ignore that last part and respond to your first questions.

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The most interesting thing about this LICC character is that even though his questions are answered (correctly!!) he ignores the answer because he does not like it. This is despite the (correct!!) answers have been given him many times and by different people. Sounds like a child at the age of 6.

I will move to more interesting subjects.

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Based on the current rule language, I think it would help if the USGA provided an interpretation or guidance on how to determine playability. I don't see this as impossible. If there is some hard object touching or near the ball that would make striking it with a club difficult or unsafe, or something that makes it difficult to safely take a stance, then a ball can be treated as unplayable. Sure there is some judgement involved but there is judgement involved in other things. Did Patrick Reed move sand that affected his lie or swing path, or in his sole discretion did he just hit sand that was far away from his ball? He said he didn't move any sand that affected his swing but other judged that he did and penalized him. If this was a sole discretion standard, would you say that what he did was just fine?

As a general matter I don't think the principles of golf are consistent with someone being able to pick up their ball and move it two CL or back just because they like that position better than the one the ball currently lies. It should be an extremely rare occurrence that someone either can't pitch to a clear position, or chip to a spot where they can then hit it or pitch to a safe position. Golf principles are that you have to strike your ball to move it when playing a hole. If you want it in a different position back from where it is, hit it there. Relief to pick it up and move it should have some requirement that you can't (or at least have some reasonable difficulty to) strike the ball to justify picking it up. I also don't like 18.1 being available to put a ball back on the green. That effectively gives someone the ability to pick up the ball and put himself in a better position without having to hit the ball with no detriment whatsoever to his score.

If you think the rules need to provide some kind of relief other than S&D if someone is just in a position where they can strike the ball but they have no line anywhere that they are able to play (again, so extremely rare I can't even picture it), ok that can be discussed. But the rules as written don't have that.

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For many, the Rules folder is about getting it "right."

That goes for this thread in spades. When someone posts rubbish over and over and over, it (until lately, one hopes) merits a "right" response.

That's not the case in many other folders here . . . just look at Tour Talk, the Wild West, where alternative facts abound.

ps Meant to thank you for your great fitting experience posts.

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Knowledge of the Rules is part of the applied skill set which a player must use to play competitive golf.

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Oh my, I knew this would happen... that is, I need to respond...

Isaac, I can only speak for myself but sort of knowing some of the posters here I think I speak for them as well. It is not about proving who is right but proving who is wrong. Now where is the difference?

This forum is about spreading the knowledge of the Rules of Golf. Thus any false information being spread around here is against the idea of this forum. I cannot deny I like being right but much more I enjoy being able to tell another person what is the correct ruling or interpretation. However, once clearly false information is being spread I stand up and try to defend the correct information and that is what was the motive for me (and many others) in this thread as well. Unfortunately the seed of 'truth' could not be planted in a soil where it would grow, as we have all seen.

So, having been right I step aside. What a pity the other party is still wrong.

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I'll add to Mr. Bean's soliloquy by saying that comprehensive, accurate knowledge of the ROG is very challenging to achieve, that this forum is generally an excellent place to be educated. Even the most expert people here sometimes disagree, and we almost always (always?) get to the truth -- even if a Ruling Body needs to be dragged in. It pleases me that by the end we have a determination that can be reviewed and relied upon in the future.

IMO deliberate actions against those principles are ugly, particularly when falsehoods are presented as "fact" instead of opinion. An opinion I disagree with can be interesting, and there's no strong motivation to "correct" a difference of opinion. Incorrect statements purported to be facts deserve attention . . . though in closing I will admit/suppose that the incorrect "facts" described over the past several days in this thread are now thoroughly exposed for what they are.

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