Vokey spin milled red saw 58°

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Just some quick thoughts/opinions. I have a brand new (shop worn) vokey spin milled 2009 year I believe red saw and red numbers. I know this is non conforming, but my friends and I play against each other and no tournaments other than charity. Is it worth shafting it up? Is there really a huge difference in spin characteristics than new wedges on today’s market? Like I said we play for fun and no wagers so I have no problems playing it, but wonder if it’s even worth it. Should I just hold it captive for years until I can make some cash? Haha I’ll attach a photo maybe I could be all wrong about it.


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  • SBH9458SBH9458 Go Army! Beat Navy! Members  1269WRX Points: 203Handicap: It is ClimbingPosts: 1,269 Platinum Tees
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    Good looking club. I will be interested in the learned responses. I for one do not know the real answer to the spin question.

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  • Hall401Hall401 Members  128WRX Points: 41Handicap: 7.8Posts: 128 Fairways
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    From what I have read these were the last wedges before the new groove rule. They are non conforming for tournament play and such. I’m looking to see if there’s any benefit to playing them for fun weekend matched with the guys. If not I’ll hold on to it. Can’t seem to find many around and there’s some brand new ones floating around on eBay for a wild $200-300.

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  • SBH9458SBH9458 Go Army! Beat Navy! Members  1269WRX Points: 203Handicap: It is ClimbingPosts: 1,269 Platinum Tees
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    That sounds crazy for a wedge, but people do crazy things. If it were mine, I’d shaft it and take it out on the course.

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  • dlygrissedlygrisse KansasMembers  13840WRX Points: 1,384Handicap: 8-ishPosts: 13,840 Titanium Tees
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    Yes. Last model before groove change. I bought an extra back then and still throw it in the bag on occasion. Best Vokey wedge ever in my opinion

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    Thanks for the feedback. I have brand new RTX4s that I haven’t even opened yet and was just throwing the idea around of putting this in the bag.

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers  2166WRX Points: 307Handicap: ~7Posts: 2,166 Platinum Tees
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    Way way way more spin, and unless you are playing in tournaments, it kosher.


    I thought for non-pros they were still gravy until 2024 anyway, but maybe it was 2020.


    i still bag one as my lob wedge, and FWIW, I find the prior year’s black saws to be the best, and you can find them with limited wear on the bay for 60-75 bucks

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    Great appreciate it! Yeah like I said it’s just a select group of buddies we golf with and they have no issues and we don’t play for money. If we do play a tournament it’s a charity best ball and the 2 times we’ve won the $400 we just donate it back anyway.

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  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers  2166WRX Points: 307Handicap: ~7Posts: 2,166 Platinum Tees
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    I had a PM grind 58, RTX2, and a SM5 prior to bagging the spin milled again, which I had played when I was younger.

    Night and day difference in spin and lower trajectory. This was especially big when I didn’t clip it just right, or when the ball is in the rough.

    The box grooves are just easier to get big RPMs. When I hit a perfectly struck ball off a fairway lie with my SM7, the spin differences are much less noticeable, but the red saw/spin milled spins no matter what I do, whereas the SM7 required the right swing to match it. Hope that makes sense.

    For someone who plays for fun, spinning it this much is just flat enjoyable. You do rip covers on full shots or very long partial wedges... so you know that.

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    Thanks for the info! That’s why I would only be gaming it in the 58° much more partial shots and around the green. Basically full shots stop after my 50°. That was my first train of thought haha I wonder how many balls this could ruin if I take a full bore swing.

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  • Jeff58Jeff58 Bend OregonMembers  188WRX Points: 109Posts: 188 Fairways
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    The SM7 is the first wedge to be in any way better than the CG14. The CG14 has more carry, is more forgiving, and spins more than any current wedge. Hit full, the 58 degree lob wedge spins too much to really control distance. Also, everyone you play with will instantly know you’re a **** cheater.

    The advantage is between 20 and 60 yards, where it turns pitches into lawn darts. You just aim at the flag and the ball stops instantly.

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    Had those and played until they rusted out (little did I know rusting out was a "thing", lol). I called them magic wands - spin machines.

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    Thanks for your input. Yeah that’s why I wouldn’t play with it unless it was just my group of friends haha I think omg going to at least shaft it up and give it a spin no pun intended

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    I think I’m gunna have to bite the bullet and shaft it up. Thanks for the response. Looking forward to seeing if it’s too much spin to control haha

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    I switch back and forth between a well-gamed red saw and near new SM7 when I'm messing around. I really can't tell a big difference in the outcomes.

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    It's 2024 for the wedges under the new groove rule for non professionals. They would be non conforming for many high level amateur competitions though.

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    The SM1 and those (SM2) were definitely nutty when it came to spin. I don't know that i'd ever want to use one for a full shot on anything but the fastest greens for fear of not being able to control it. The amount of spin you can generate around the greens with those things and the right technique is absurd.

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    A year ago i sold 52 and 58 sm2 in fairly mint condition.Have since rebought a 50S MD2 Callaway and that to me is er better.

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  • MudguardMudguard Members  1461WRX Points: 202Posts: 1,461 Platinum Tees
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    I actually stopped using my ones because of the spin rate, they spun too much and would balloon a little on me. And they just flat out ruined balls, instantly. Fingers of cover coming off. Still a hoot though. But I score better with conforming ones.

    But a lie with wet grass and I miss them occasionally.

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  • Hall401Hall401 Members  128WRX Points: 41Handicap: 7.8Posts: 128 Fairways
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    I think I’m gunna have to bite the bullet and shaft it up. Thanks for the response. Looking forward to seeing if it’s too much spin to control haha

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    Yeah I hear ya. Think I’m just going to use it for fun and see what the hype was about. Def agree too much spin is no good at all

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    I appreciate it. Think I’m going to shaft it up just to get a laugh out of it. Maybe it will be worth more with an s400 haha

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    The irony of someone here saying people will know you are an expletive cheater if they see you playing it, when it’s conforming for amateurs till 2024...

    I was pretty sure I had read the rules right, and I couldn’t care less what some random person I get paired with thinks anyhow.

    If I actually had the time to play competitions, I’d check the rules and follow them.

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    That’s why when I posted this i made sure to but I don’t play in any competitive/money rounds. Haha I can see how some people would get hurt if you’re taking there money. Yes you’re right with the rules as well.

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    There are external rules and personal perceptions. Sometimes they are aligned, sometimes not. The implementation of the ‘groovy’ rules created a negative impression on those who attempted to circumvent them, eg Phil and his Eye2’s, that persistent, regardless of the rules in effect for a particular event.

    The main downside to playing these wedges for me is that optimizing your play with one set of wedges is already adequately challenging. Including multiple performance envelopes is ultimately self defeating.

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    This too is a great point. I was just going about it for fun. These days I would much have consistent spin numbers, can’t have a shot pitch pin high and spin back 10ft. Agreed spin management is a better priority to have. Make sure you can hit a shot with all wedges and have it hip and stop rather than spinning way too much and there goes a 3 putt haha

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  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 IowaClubWRX  20892WRX Points: 4,860Posts: 20,892 ClubWRX
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    And as a footnote to my earlier post, when I got fitted and switched to my next variation in Vokeys, a little less spin, better technique, not hitting wedge full out, lol, and lower ball flight turned out to be a better overall combo. But man even with bad technique those puppies could spin (and chew up balls).

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    Yeah lower flight less spin def more of a controlled shot. Plus golf and being a club hoarder is expensive enough.

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