MD/DC/VA Golfers - Twelve Monkeys Mental Divergence

[dcmidnight]

Might be semantics but I think I need more context on the whole thing. The actual article doesn't mention anything about a phone call or a call of any kind - I think the Golf Channel write up implies that. It says a tour official spoke to him. Wondering if its some random low level official at an Aussie event of some kind that pulled him aside and said something like "hey you keep this up and we're going to fine you" wink wink. And "the source" is his caddie who heard it and is trying to get more sympathy for his guy out there. Who knows. The way TGC is reporting it, Tim Finchem himself called and issued the edict.

[FAbb]

Looks like DC has joined team "I'm with Patrick" now, too.

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[ALTSean]

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[TheCityGame]

I don't think the Smith article is trying to imply that Time Finchem called him or anything, but it would be nice to have more context. The source is probably Smith or his caddie, but I still believe they got that message. In the original article from Australia Golf Digest, the writer says, "the player handbook does include a section with language that states a player can face sanctions for public attacks on fellow players."

Still, I don't like how the PGA is handling this. I'm not sure what they should do. Maybe a sit down with Reed and then issue a statement like, "we sat down with Reed and explained why we have concerns about this. We don't think it was intentional, but all parties agree he has to be more careful in the future about potential violations that can occur in the normal play of the game."

You know. . .something real wishy-washy that acknowledges it was bad, without calling him out, but putting it out there that they don't want to see it again.

[TheCityGame]

I'm more relieved than I thought I would be that Bad Boys 3 got good reviews (not great reviews, but as if it would). I didn't want these guys to go down in shame. I want good things for WIll Smith.

[vtnerf]

So the Tour makes a statement about Reed breaking a rule and being caught on TV. Will they need to do that for every rules infraction and penalty stroke during an event? At the end of the day, each pro is a private contractor in it for themselves promoting their own brand. They can play whatever clubs, hit whatever balls, wear whatever clothes, as long as the conform within the rules. If they are poor at marketing themselves or act like a bunghole, that will affect their brand. That's not why the PGA Tour and front office exists.

It is possible the PGA has or will sit with Reed. We may never know. They don't promote their fines or their meetings...those are leaked by the player/caddie/PR/agent.

As for Smith, there is a policy to not do anything in detriment to the Tour. Smith has said his piece; that can't be taken away. But now, get back to golf and leave the Reed situation to rest. Everyone now knows who and what P Reed is. They will watch him like a hawk. They will freeze him out. They will commentate like Zinger did in Kapalua. We can't completely get rid of him, but can ignore him.

 

[bayrat88]

I like how you guys have no idea who the commissioner of the PGA Tour is. Tim F. left the job in 2016...

[TheCityGame]

I didn't think that sounded right. Still, no, I don't know who the commissioner of the tour is.

[ceejay81]

I had to look it up. It's some generic white dude named Jay Monahan. Honestly never heard of him. Deane Beman and Tim Finchem were always household names. Does this guy actually do anything publicly?

[FAbb]

Does this guy actually do anything publicly? Quote>

Other than make statements to say he believes Patrick Reed, not really

[HighBoomingDraws]

He's done an NLU podcast

[2moreTerpz]

he moved the players to march and rearranged the tour schedule to be complete before football season. that's something.

 

patrick reed is a cheater. the tour didn't handle the situation properly. you can't allow what cam smith did because of the precedent it sets.

all three statements are true. Joel dahmen had the same issue after he went public with the sung kang stuff at avenel two years ago. You just can't allow that.

[FAbb]

Those two incidents are not the same.

Kang says his ball crossed the hazard where he wanted to drop. Dahmen says it didn't. An official went to the spot where Kang played his second, and determined that he could drop where he alleged his ball crossed the hazard. One player's word against another. We'll never know for sure, but Dahmen definitely put the stink of being a cheater on Kang, regardless of what the truth may be.

Reed straight up cheated, got caught on camera, denied it, and then continued to act defiant about it.

Why is it wrong for Cam Smith to say what he did? He didn't make any speculative statements.

It's a systemic thing, the PGA Tour being very hush hush. Don't tell the people DJ fired a few too many nosechachos. Say he hurt his back in a jetski accident. It's inconceivable that they've elected to publicly support Reed, and slap Cam Smith on the wrist behind closed doors.

[baddomes]

It's this guy, you dungals

 

[vtnerf]

It's inconceivable that they've elected to publicly support Reed,

Just how are they supporting Reed? Just because they haven't publicly plastered him with tomatoes in the city square does not equate to support. It's not the Tour's place to support or knock down. Only to run tournaments for participants on a level playing field. Continuing to worry about what Reed did in a boutique event while other tournaments are being held does nobody any good from the tour office's standpoint.

And if Cam Smith was playing in any of the major sports in the US, there a 99% chance he would be fined for saying what he did. He said it...wasn't fined...everyone is moving on.

Reed straight up cheated, got caught on camera, denied it, and then continued to act defiant about it.

And that falls squarely on him as an independent professional and the court of public opinion.

[tungstenplug]

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Edited February 26, 2023 by tungstenplug

[FAbb]

Whether we like it or not, the sport of golf and the PGA Tour has a

certain image. A gentlemen's game, family, charity, role models, all

that fun stuff. Cheating, bad language, drugs, insults, are going to be

swept under the rug as soon as possible and in the least public way.Quote>

 

Add cheating to the list of things that will be swept under the rug as soon as possible and in the least public way. Gotta keep that image polished!

[ceejay81]

Side note, in a potential fight I would take bets at Patrick Reed -1000

 

I'll take the field.

:handshake:

[vtnerf]

Reed was assessed a penalty when it happened. That's the extent of action that can be taken against him. It wasn't swept under the rug. His name isn't on a plaque in the hallway of HQ on the list offenders. The incident doesn't get addressed every time the PGA is interviewed or when they push out a release. It happened. It was addressed. the Tour is moving on. How are they sweeping this under the rug??????

Phil stops the ball from rolling off the green at the US Open. Should he be publicly shamed every week in the official PGA press release?

[aiyyer]

Larry Sanders Show? On a simpler note, Germantown TopGolf opens today.

[TheCityGame]

Side note, in a potential fight I would take bets at Patrick Reed -1000

He better hope it doesn't go past the 3rd round.

I'm not sure who I'd least want to fight on the PGA tour -- it's a great thought experiment -- but I know it's not Reed. I'd stay out of his range, let him chase me around, razzle and dazzle him with some fancy footwork and wait till he sags. On the other hand, I wouldn't trust Reed to keep it above the belt, so there's that.

Colt Knost, I could take.

I'd have huge problems fighting a guy with the length of DJ, but he's also "too cool" to be a great fighter. I need a guy keyed up a little more. . .maybe DJ on coke would be a problem.

Poulter I wouldn't want to fight. Although I have a theory he's too concerned about guarding his pretty face, and I could get to the body.

Not Mickelson. I'd forget he can high kick. I think he's a natural righty, too, right? So, he can probably switch south-paw and orthodox without losing anything. He'd be a problem.

I'd attack Jason Day psychologically. I could make him cry without laying a hand on him. Get him off his game. I'd taunt him about his father.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FAbb]

Ernie Els, on a private jet, after a few beverages is confirmed to be a problem.

[tungstenplug]

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Edited February 26, 2023 by tungstenplug

[vtnerf]

Going back, Hale Irwin is on the list of top25 all-time at Colorado. For football. His forearms were solid too. I'm sure he could still wear out some of the guys on tour today.

[gsrjc]

Is the Grint app working for folks with IPhones? Mine won’t load

 

[dcmidnight]

I would sneeze on Jason Day, giving him an immediate sprained neck and minor seizure. Then I could take him.

[baddomes]

It's this guy, you dungals

 

This is stuck in my mobile drafts even though I already posted it.

 

PGA Tour is not the keeper of rules. They could have unilaterally decided that Patrick Reed was lying to them about what happened and suspended him from their tour.

 

I would have loved to have seen them set a precedent. What if they demoted him to the Korn ferry for the rest of the year and made him earn his way back up? That'd be a sweet punishment. I bet it'd raise ratings for KF.

[FAbb]

 

[justhawkin]

Anyone know if the EPP range stays open on yucky weather days like tomorrow?

[top.h]

should be, its heated