Jump to content
2024 Houston Open WITB Photos ×

Peter Kostis on Patrick Reed.....


physasst

Recommended Posts

Sure. Now that you point that out. It does help with his credibility. But then it begs the question , why is the media now reporting it as new news? Why not report what he said then ....then? It’s all a bunch of drummed up rehash of old news that wasn’t earth shattering the first time. And somehow started by brooks the blowhard , while playing hip hop sheik on satellite show run by a cunning journalist , posing as a hip hop legend , who’s posing as your friend for the day. Brooks took the bait and created a news story that wasn’t there. All just to be “ cool “ for the day and get to wear his hat backwards.

  • Like 1

Callaway epic max LS 9* GD-M9003 7x 

TM Sim2 max tour  16* GD  ADHD 8x 

srixon zx 19* elements 9F5T 

Cobra king SZ 25.5* KBS TD cat 5 70 

TM p7mc 5-pw Mmt125tx 

Mizuno T22 raw 52-56-60 s400

LAB Mezz Max armlock 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Blade! I hear you and have seen players do this with a wedge here and there a couple of times.

 

But Kostis has been out there for decades and decades. He is saying he has seen Reed use *multiple clubs, in and out of his bag, to very noticeably improve his lie, on several occasions.

“He put four or five clubs behind the ball, kind of faking whether he’s going to hit this shot or hit that shot. By the time he was done, he hit a frickin’ 3-wood out of there. When I saw it, it was a sand-wedge lay-up originally.”

“He hit it over the green and did the same thing. He put three or four clubs behind the ball. It was really a treacherous shot. Nobody had gotten close all day long from over there. By the time he was done, I could read ‘Callaway’ on the golf ball from my tower.”

 

This is very specific, first hand testimony, from a guy right there at the "scene of the crime" who is an expert in the field. It's way beyond, "hey, that guy put his wedge behind the ball a couple of times"

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Right. I’m not so much defending Reed as I am saying hat if Kostis says he’s never seen anyone else do it. That hurts Kostis credibility. We both agree that others do it.

in other words. I’ll care when they call out the players they like too. Not just the guy they never have liked.

that tactic is as old as the game. You can find Seve and player doing it a looong time ago. On tape.

  • Like 2

Callaway epic max LS 9* GD-M9003 7x 

TM Sim2 max tour  16* GD  ADHD 8x 

srixon zx 19* elements 9F5T 

Cobra king SZ 25.5* KBS TD cat 5 70 

TM p7mc 5-pw Mmt125tx 

Mizuno T22 raw 52-56-60 s400

LAB Mezz Max armlock 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Things to keep in mind. In Peter’s experience, he’s been a tower and on course walking reporter following high profile players in contention that are being viewed by a large live and TV audience. Brooks Koepka’s experience includes rounds and pairings he has been part of. These include his earlier years on European Tour and other small tours. Smaller audience and in cases even no audience. Brooks had a completely different experience than Peter.

  • Like 1

Driver: Titleist 913 D3 8.5° A-1 setting Graphite Design YS-6+ 65g stiff

Wood:  Titleist 980F 17° Aldila NV stiff

Hybrid: Titleist 909H 21° Aldila Voodoo stiff 

Irons:  Titleist 716 AP2 4- W  DG AMT S300

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM7  54°,  58° DG S200

Putter:  Odyssey White Hot #1 Tour

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

All due respect, but you are wrong. “Grounding and clearing” with a variety of different clubs before a shot from the rough is EXTREMELY common, almost to the point of it being a universally ignored concept of a rule. Since you ARE allowed to ground a club in the rough, guys just have decided that if you ground a few times and the lie just happens to get better, oh well....you are simply using the rules to your advantage.

In addition to seeing this at every tour event Ive ever been too, I was a Club Pro in the 90’s and you saw this at every local event I ever played in and every Amateur event I played in before turning pro. If someone DIDN'T do it you thought, “Oh wow, what an idiot. Doesn’t that guy know the rules?”.

If you were to call someone out on it, good luck. Where exactly is the line between grounding your club legally and improving your lie?? Do You really want to have a fight about that in the middle of a round or try to call it after the round is over with no other witnesses?? Good luck with that. You’d be a pariah real fast.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Read the article. Read the entire thread.

  • Like 3

Driver: Titleist 913 D3 8.5° A-1 setting Graphite Design YS-6+ 65g stiff

Wood:  Titleist 980F 17° Aldila NV stiff

Hybrid: Titleist 909H 21° Aldila Voodoo stiff 

Irons:  Titleist 716 AP2 4- W  DG AMT S300

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM7  54°,  58° DG S200

Putter:  Odyssey White Hot #1 Tour

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the link. remember hearing that comment from him on the telecast and thinking it was kind of weird but didn't pay much attention.

 

Callaway Paradym TD Ventus 6S Black Velocore
TM Sim2 3 wood Tour AD DI 7x
TM Sim 5 wood Ventus Blue Velocore 8x
Mizuno JPX 923 Modus 120x 
Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide
Vokeys SM9 56,60
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't think its a matter of just tapping down the grass behind. The way he described it he pretty much moved the grass and the ball, which in my opinion is a whole different animal.

 

Callaway Paradym TD Ventus 6S Black Velocore
TM Sim2 3 wood Tour AD DI 7x
TM Sim 5 wood Ventus Blue Velocore 8x
Mizuno JPX 923 Modus 120x 
Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide
Vokeys SM9 56,60
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As I said in my previous post, I agree. It happens constantly. Its one of the most ignored rules in golf, Amateur or professional level.

 

I suppose the only differentiation would be the “level” at which the rule is broken. When you see someone set a 5 wood behind the ball and the shaft bows downward because of the pressure he’s putting on it, and then he grabs the proper club for the shot, say, a 7 iron...you have a dilemma on your hands. At some point the rule breaking is so egregious that something should be done about it. Still, most people just keep their mouth shut and grumble to themselves about it.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I just listened to the podcast and this ^^^^ is 100% accurate. I almost fell out of my seat when I heard him say that the Tour got on him for not mentioning the Fed Ex points. That explains why in January they mention Fed Ex points and the playoffs. Mentioning playoffs in January, is like saying an MLB team is on track to be in the playoffs in early May.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

 

This is what he did that gave Kostis the motivation to discuss. It's the use of multiple clubs and complete changing of the lie. And I think if he had seen *any other instances of other players doing something similar, he would have mentioned them as well. He knows how serious it is to say this about PR. He is not on the air, but it's entirely possible they will come face to face again.

“He put four or five clubs behind the ball, kind of faking whether he’s going to hit this shot or hit that shot. By the time he was done, he hit a frickin’ 3-wood out of there. When I saw it, it was a sand-wedge lay-up originally.”

“He hit it over the green and did the same thing. He put three or four clubs behind the ball. It was really a treacherous shot. Nobody had gotten close all day long from over there. By the time he was done, I could read ‘Callaway’ on the golf ball from my tower.”

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

 

I read that too. It was the Carcharodon Carcharias Partnership out of Brisbane, aka, 2CP. They swept in at the 11th hour and cut a check to Howard's wife, Shirley Scheelter (say that 5 times fast).

 

The article didn't say who manages the partnership - I guess we'll never know....drives me crazy not knowing????

Such is life with art collectors - most do not openly share their collections.

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You are absolutely allowed to ground your club, not sure why its wrong. There is a difference between grounding it as you are preparing to take a shot and pretending like you are going to hit 4 different clubs, grounding each and everyone one.

 

The NLU podcast with Kostis combined with the Foreplay podcast with Ferehty is pretty telling about Reed and his propensity to bend the rules

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Of course, but never break the rules. First I start with a wedge, just to see what a wedge looks like behind the ball, since not really sure how a wedge looks lined up on the ball or just can't remember. Push it down a bit while I think about if I should just hack it out and take my medicine. Then I put it away and pull a 9 iron...do the same just to see how it looks since lie now looks better after checking it with the wedge....take a few practice swings. Then try 7 and 5... lie keeps looking better and starting to think I don't have to hack it out and take my medicine since I can see the ball so much better. Finally decide to hit my hybrid and am amazed how nicely it comes out after remembering how it looked when I walked up. Playing partners and groups behind me a little pissed, but I won the skin...so all good.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Discussion and links to Photos
      Please put any questions or Comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Thorbjorn Olesen - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ben Silverman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jesse Droemer - SoTX PGA Section POY - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      David Lipsky - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Martin Trainer - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Zac Blair - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jacob Bridgeman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Trace Crowe - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Daniel Berger - WITB(very mini) - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Chesson Hadley - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Callum McNeill - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Rhein Gibson - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Patrick Fishburn - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Peter Malnati - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Raul Pereda - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Gary Woodland WITB (New driver, iron shafts) – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Padraig Harrington WITB – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Tom Hoge's custom Cameron - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Piretti putters - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
      • 9 replies
    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 31 replies
    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 15 replies
    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      • 2 replies
    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies

×
×
  • Create New...