Iron Spin Rates. TM 2019 P790 vs P760

 OspreyCI ·  
OspreyCIOspreyCI Valley of the SunMembers  5442WRX Points: 474Handicap: 10Posts: 5,442 Titanium Tees
Joined:  in WRX Club Techs #1

Background: play 2017 P790’s the release. Looking to upgrade. My shaft is the Modus 105 S .

Spent an hour at PGA SS with 2019 P790 7 iron and 760. Same shaft. Averaged:

P790 164 yds and 4900 spin

P760 154 yds and 6400 spin

Is the 10 yards worth the around spin reduction?

Not sure the 2017 P790 has made my game better. Yes, forgiveness is amazing, but are my scores better...

Yards versus spin make a difference?

Posted:
PXG 0811x Gen2 10.5 AD VR 6S
TM M4 15* AD DI 6S Black
TM M2 #3 19* Fujikura
PXG 0211 4-PW Modus 120S
TM MG2 50* Modus 120S
TM MG2 54*
TM HT Bigfoot 60*
PXG Gen2 Gunboat
«1
2

Comments

  • DoyouevenbladeDoyouevenblade Members  247WRX Points: 108Posts: 247 Fairways
    Joined:  #2

    The 2019 p790 7 iron is 30.5 * vs the 760 loft of 33*.

    The p790 Ti 7 iron is an impressive 28.5"

    That is the reason for more distance and less spin, less loft.

    Is your descent angle still good with the p790? If the trag is too flat you'll have no hope of stopping the ball on the green with that low of spin.

    Posted:
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • avguyavguy Replacement Player Sonoran Desert, AZMembers  1139WRX Points: 157Posts: 1,139 Platinum Tees
    Joined:  #3

    I am changing out of P790 this season going fwd into P760. Mostly due to needing another shaft for ridiculous front elbow issues again. 🤒

    I play multiple sets due to my ADD about Golf in general, and most of the irons I've played since 2008 were of forged 1-pc. MB until a one-year run in both P760 & M5 (but kept sig. forged MBs as well).

    I found a decent lower upcharge option with a favorite shaft of my past in the Recoils 110 F4 going into the P760, so both the P790 (was CTL S) and the M5 (was Modus 105 S) are now out.

    There was a TM delay for my set, so I am toughing out a few more weeks with my old Cally Razr MBs with PX 5.0 F - I do love this set!

    I think my elbow issue is caused more often by me as a lefty golfing righty, but I can't only have steel when I do like some range time every week.

    Your not the only one who could not spin those P790s. I got some rockets on occasion with CTL - a high launch shaft.

    Posted:
    BAG ONE:                                                                                                                     BAG TWO:
    D-Titleist 917 D2                                                                                                              D-Cobra F9 Tour Length 
    5- Mizuno MP titanium                                                                                                    3-TM R11ti
    H-Titleist 915 H1 18, Titleist 816  H1 21, Bridgestone Precept ECU 25                           H-TM 2.0 SF 18 & 21, Cobra AC 25
    I - TM P760 /Recoil F4 110 5-PW                                                                                     I - Titleist T100/MR KK TiNi 105 
    W- Mizuno 52, Vokey SM6 58                                                                                        W- Mizuno 53, Cally 58
    P- Bellum Winmore Midi  787                                                                                         P-Guerin TS Black 370

  • VienusVienus Members  70WRX Points: 37Handicap: 11.9Posts: 70 Bunkers
    Joined:  #4

    P760 when you are sub 15 handicap. Spin gives you more control. Hitting greens is key.


    when you need the distance (high handicapper) then p790 should be better.

    Posted:
    Handicap: 13
    The Netherlands
  • OspreyCIOspreyCI Valley of the SunMembers  5442WRX Points: 474Handicap: 10Posts: 5,442 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #5

    I forgot to look at the decent angle. They appeared on the screen to be the same height. I will say the 790’s were giving me about 8 yards roll out. The 760’s were half that.

    Posted:
    PXG 0811x Gen2 10.5 AD VR 6S
    TM M4 15* AD DI 6S Black
    TM M2 #3 19* Fujikura
    PXG 0211 4-PW Modus 120S
    TM MG2 50* Modus 120S
    TM MG2 54*
    TM HT Bigfoot 60*
    PXG Gen2 Gunboat
  • Golf64Golf64 Go Habs Go! Ontario, CanadaMembers  8420WRX Points: 453Handicap: ScotchPosts: 8,420 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #6

    Stopping a ball on the green need angle of decent and/or spin. 45* is a good number for AofD. Spin with a 7 iron varies due to swing speed and loft and the ball you use. I prefer weaker lofts to help with my low ball flight. If you don't need help with distance, go 760s. Another option, if you like the 790s, weaken the lofts by 2*. Will help with launch/higher ball flight and spin. A urethane ball will also help with stopping power.

    Posted:
    Super Bowl LII Champions
    Fly Eagles Fly!
  • OspreyCIOspreyCI Valley of the SunMembers  5442WRX Points: 474Handicap: 10Posts: 5,442 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #7

    Thanks. I currently play the 2017 790’s since their release, but kept reading about the 760’s. I really liked the feel of them and how consistent they were in the monitor. The 2019 790’s were weren’t as consistent. Hit a flushed one and it went 10 yards farther on the monitor.

    As a 10 hdcp, I probably should just stick with my 790’s. They have been good to me. If so had the cash, I was fit for PXG Gen3 P’s and they had everything I needed. Decent angle, spin, and consistent distance. Cant wait for the 760 replacement later this year.

    Posted:
    PXG 0811x Gen2 10.5 AD VR 6S
    TM M4 15* AD DI 6S Black
    TM M2 #3 19* Fujikura
    PXG 0211 4-PW Modus 120S
    TM MG2 50* Modus 120S
    TM MG2 54*
    TM HT Bigfoot 60*
    PXG Gen2 Gunboat
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2550WRX Points: 1,619Handicap: 5Posts: 2,550 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #8

    You basically have a good situation on your hands because either the replacement works great for you or you can pick up the 760s for cheap. I completely disagree with the above comment regarding low handicaps needing 760 and high HC using 790. I think the 790 is not a high handicap club but rather a club for the older golfer who used to use players irons but wants to get their distance back to where it was, for the good golfer with slightly lower speed, or for the very high speed player who traps and over spins the ball.

    the 760 would work awesome for you given it is a combo set. The long irons are pretty big and forgiving. TXG said it was their most fitted/sold iron this year.

    Posted:
  • RobDMBRobDMB Members  515WRX Points: 86Handicap: 12Posts: 515 Golden Tee
    Joined:  #9

    What if you are a higher swing speed player - so not specifically looking for distance - but would appreciate forgiveness?

    Posted:
    Taylormade M3 8* Driver
    Taylormade M3 3 Wood
    Taylormade M3 Hybrid
    Srixon Z765 4-AW Modus 125X
    Cleveland RTX-3 55*/60*
    Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport Mil-Spec
  • arobbins3arobbins3 MichiganMembers  163WRX Points: 102Handicap: 3.5Posts: 163 Fairways
    Joined:  #10

    I would disagree as well about the 10 hdcp not playing 760s. They are good clubs and you can game them! Especially since you mentioned they were much more consistent. That's very important to lowering scores. Knowing how far the ball is going to fly and stop. You could also consider a combo set with the 790s in like 4-5-6 and 760s in 8-P. That would be nice! You probably would have to adjust the lofts a little bit, though.

    Posted:

    Cobra SZ (9.5°) - Tour AD-DI 6s
    Cobra SZ (14.5°) - Atmos Blue 7s
    Titleist T-MB (3) - Modus 105s
    Miura Y-Grind Blades (4-PW) - Modus 105s
    Titleist Vokey SM8 (50-54-60°)
    Scotty Cameron 2020 Special Select Newport 2

  • OspreyCIOspreyCI Valley of the SunMembers  5442WRX Points: 474Handicap: 10Posts: 5,442 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #11

    I like that combo I idea because I really and not the biggest fan of the 8-A in the 790’s. I have read other have done it and maybe weaken the 790’s loft by 2*.

    Posted:
    PXG 0811x Gen2 10.5 AD VR 6S
    TM M4 15* AD DI 6S Black
    TM M2 #3 19* Fujikura
    PXG 0211 4-PW Modus 120S
    TM MG2 50* Modus 120S
    TM MG2 54*
    TM HT Bigfoot 60*
    PXG Gen2 Gunboat
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members  9565WRX Points: 1,573Posts: 9,565 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #12

    Handicap and irons are not mutually exclusive. I'd go with 760s because they are going to be more controllable and they also have a better sole. Unless you really struggle for distance, it's 760s all day.

    I know TM says the 760 replacement will be all that and a bag of chips but I think it's going to just be a looks Refresher, claims of more forgiveness and better feel. That may be true but it will be minimal at best.

    Posted:
    D - SIM Max | Tour Z Xtreme 475; 4w - SIM Ti | Diamana B 80; 4h - 818H2 | Tensei White 90; Irons - P760 5-PW | Modus 120; GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue; SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue; LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue; P - Toulon San Diego or Directed Force 2.1; Ball - TP5 Pix 2.0

    Incoming gear: Speedzone Xtreme 9* Driver,  Speedzone 5w, Speedzone 4i & 5i

  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • chisagchisag Chicago SuburbsMembers  3360WRX Points: 785Handicap: +0.3Posts: 3,360 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #13

    ... I have posted this before but as a + index I loved my 2017 P790's. I picked up new 2019 P790's and look forward to playing them this season. For me they launch very high and with their lower spin they are ideal in Chicago's windy conditions. They are the most forgiving players irons I have played, especially the long irons. At age 66 I have lost a little distance and am a target audience for P790's. Last winter in Phoenix I played 107 rounds in 117 days and ran across a few courses with fast, hard desert greens that didn't even produce a ball mark and on those few courses the lack of spin with any trailing wind meant I could not hold greens, even with a high trajectory and steep AOD. So I picked up a set of P760's and the additional spin allowed me to hold greens again on those few hard, fast desert courses. Not a night and day difference in forgiveness but the P790's are more forgiving. So I played the 760's on the extremely hard greens and used my 790's on all other courses. Coming back to Chicago in June, the 790's were back in my bag full time.

    Posted:
    Cobra Xtreme 9* Tour Length ... Tensei Orange 65s
    Cobra F9 15.5* ... Atmos Blue TS 75s
    Cobra SZ 17* ... Even Flow Blue 75s
    TaylorMade GAPR Mid ... KBS 80Hys
    TaylorMade UDi 18* TP 2 iron... Kuro Kage Black 90Hys
    4-pw TaylorMade P790/760 ... Steelfiber 95's/Recoil Prototype 95's
    SM6 52* F Grind /SM8 M Grind 58* ... Recoil 110s
    Bobby Grace 6330 ... 33.5"
  • OspreyCIOspreyCI Valley of the SunMembers  5442WRX Points: 474Handicap: 10Posts: 5,442 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #14

    I read that post you made before. Especially noted how much golf you played when when you were here!! Impressive.

    I live in Phoenix know exactly what you are saying about hard fast greens. I do most of my golfing in the summer when it is cheaper. Very hard greens during that time. I do notice I don’t stop the ball quickly as I did years ago (younger and faster then) plus with the 790’s lack of spin. I am thinking the combo with 760’s is in my near future.

    Posted:
    PXG 0811x Gen2 10.5 AD VR 6S
    TM M4 15* AD DI 6S Black
    TM M2 #3 19* Fujikura
    PXG 0211 4-PW Modus 120S
    TM MG2 50* Modus 120S
    TM MG2 54*
    TM HT Bigfoot 60*
    PXG Gen2 Gunboat
  • chisagchisag Chicago SuburbsMembers  3360WRX Points: 785Handicap: +0.3Posts: 3,360 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #15


    ... I find the feel of the 790's to be pretty nice for a multi material foam filled iron, but it is nowhere near the soft forged feel of the pw-8 of the 760's, which I find almost the equal of my Z Forged. So I would love to combo my 790/760's but the hard part is the gapping between the sets from short to mid irons. Even though I play both sets 1* weak, going from my P760 8 iron at 38* to my P790 7 iron at 31.5* combined with the thin faced foam filled 790 7 iron being a little more explosive than the solid one piece 760 8 iron, it creates much too big of a gap for me.

    Posted:
    Cobra Xtreme 9* Tour Length ... Tensei Orange 65s
    Cobra F9 15.5* ... Atmos Blue TS 75s
    Cobra SZ 17* ... Even Flow Blue 75s
    TaylorMade GAPR Mid ... KBS 80Hys
    TaylorMade UDi 18* TP 2 iron... Kuro Kage Black 90Hys
    4-pw TaylorMade P790/760 ... Steelfiber 95's/Recoil Prototype 95's
    SM6 52* F Grind /SM8 M Grind 58* ... Recoil 110s
    Bobby Grace 6330 ... 33.5"
  • SeidinhoSeidinho Members  33WRX Points: 15Handicap: 15Posts: 33 Bunkers
    Joined:  #16

    In my opinion, forgiveness is not much different between the two. The difference for me is really more about distance / spin / feel. The P790s get often mentioned as more forgiving player's irons, which I disagree with. For me, the P790s are more comparable to Srixon 785 (vs 585) - with feel being worse.

    Posted:
  • RobDMBRobDMB Members  515WRX Points: 86Handicap: 12Posts: 515 Golden Tee
    Joined:  #17

    Interesting as I've been debating switching from Srixon Z765 to the P790s for more forgiveness.

    Posted:
    Taylormade M3 8* Driver
    Taylormade M3 3 Wood
    Taylormade M3 Hybrid
    Srixon Z765 4-AW Modus 125X
    Cleveland RTX-3 55*/60*
    Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport Mil-Spec
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • SeidinhoSeidinho Members  33WRX Points: 15Handicap: 15Posts: 33 Bunkers
    Joined:  #18


    I would recommend trying (in order) Z585s, Mizuno JPX forged, Callaway Apex, Taylormade M6.

    Posted:
  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers  2503WRX Points: 746Handicap: 0.9Posts: 2,503 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #19

    I have no idea how anyone could game the P790 unless you’re an extremely short hitter or need a nuclear driving iron.

    Posted:
    Driver: Ping G410 Plus w/Tensei Orange
    3 Wood: Titleist TS2 w/HZRDUS Smoke
    Hybrid: Titleist 718 H2 w/Atmos Blue TS 
    Irons: Ping iBlade Nippon AWT 2.0 Stiff
    Wedges: Callaway MD3 50, 54, and 58
    Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
    Ball: Bridgestone XS
  • KMeloneyKMeloney Members  5052WRX Points: 321Handicap:[email protected] 7Posts: 5,052 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #20

    ...And yet lots of people do. It's almost as though you might not be right about your assessment of the clubs or the people who play them.

    Posted:
  • OspreyCIOspreyCI Valley of the SunMembers  5442WRX Points: 474Handicap: 10Posts: 5,442 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #21

    790’s most be the most sold set of irons in the last few years...

    Posted:
    PXG 0811x Gen2 10.5 AD VR 6S
    TM M4 15* AD DI 6S Black
    TM M2 #3 19* Fujikura
    PXG 0211 4-PW Modus 120S
    TM MG2 50* Modus 120S
    TM MG2 54*
    TM HT Bigfoot 60*
    PXG Gen2 Gunboat
  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers  2503WRX Points: 746Handicap: 0.9Posts: 2,503 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #22

    I wish that was true.

    There is a reason you don’t find them in any serious golfers bag. P790’s are beautiful clubs for what they are, but they are typically bandaids for really bad swings if someone is playing them as a full set.

    Posted:
    Driver: Ping G410 Plus w/Tensei Orange
    3 Wood: Titleist TS2 w/HZRDUS Smoke
    Hybrid: Titleist 718 H2 w/Atmos Blue TS 
    Irons: Ping iBlade Nippon AWT 2.0 Stiff
    Wedges: Callaway MD3 50, 54, and 58
    Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
    Ball: Bridgestone XS
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers  2503WRX Points: 746Handicap: 0.9Posts: 2,503 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  edited Feb 27, 2020 1:57am #23

    You obviously don’t need the distance, so play a forgiving players cavity back:

    Mizuno MP20 MMC

    Titleist 620 CB

    Ping iBlade (high launch)

    Ping i210 (low launch)

    Callaway Apex Pro

    The important part is finding the shaft which works for your speed and tempo as precision and consistency is key.

    Posted:
    Post edited by GolfChannel on
    Driver: Ping G410 Plus w/Tensei Orange
    3 Wood: Titleist TS2 w/HZRDUS Smoke
    Hybrid: Titleist 718 H2 w/Atmos Blue TS 
    Irons: Ping iBlade Nippon AWT 2.0 Stiff
    Wedges: Callaway MD3 50, 54, and 58
    Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
    Ball: Bridgestone XS
  • BiggErnBiggErn Members  2837WRX Points: 732Posts: 2,837 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #24

    lol. You mean like pga professionals or +HCs like chisag?

    Posted:
  • chisagchisag Chicago SuburbsMembers  3360WRX Points: 785Handicap: +0.3Posts: 3,360 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #25


    ... Never let facts get in the way of your opinion. 🤣 I have played with other + index players that use P790's and have seen them in more than a few good players bags. Several "serious golfers" here on WRX play them too.

    Posted:
    Cobra Xtreme 9* Tour Length ... Tensei Orange 65s
    Cobra F9 15.5* ... Atmos Blue TS 75s
    Cobra SZ 17* ... Even Flow Blue 75s
    TaylorMade GAPR Mid ... KBS 80Hys
    TaylorMade UDi 18* TP 2 iron... Kuro Kage Black 90Hys
    4-pw TaylorMade P790/760 ... Steelfiber 95's/Recoil Prototype 95's
    SM6 52* F Grind /SM8 M Grind 58* ... Recoil 110s
    Bobby Grace 6330 ... 33.5"
  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers  2503WRX Points: 746Handicap: 0.9Posts: 2,503 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #26

    Dude even said when the conditions got rough he bagged the 760’s and that he needed the distance and forgiveness which is why he went to them in the first place.

    Posted:
    Driver: Ping G410 Plus w/Tensei Orange
    3 Wood: Titleist TS2 w/HZRDUS Smoke
    Hybrid: Titleist 718 H2 w/Atmos Blue TS 
    Irons: Ping iBlade Nippon AWT 2.0 Stiff
    Wedges: Callaway MD3 50, 54, and 58
    Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
    Ball: Bridgestone XS
  • BiggErnBiggErn Members  2837WRX Points: 732Posts: 2,837 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #27

    And? He also said he still plays them and even purchased the newer version. I personally haven’t seen any drastic distance gains and forgiveness is equivalent to comparable clubs. You’re saying arguably the best selling irons TM has ever produced isn’t played by good players. Lol, ridiculous.

    Posted:
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers  6910WRX Points: 1,235Handicap: 3.9-9.3-7.7 (Health issue)Posts: 6,910 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #28

    Good point, however, you called the 790s "player's irons" when, in fact, even using your own description (multi material foam filled iron) they are clearly GI irons disguised as blades.

    Posted:
  • BiggErnBiggErn Members  2837WRX Points: 732Posts: 2,837 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #29

    So blades with toe weights drilled or pressed into the head are GI irons?

    Posted:
  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers  2503WRX Points: 746Handicap: 0.9Posts: 2,503 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #30

    I mean if P790's aren't game improvement irons we're just reinventing the category. They are sleek, probably the cleanest looking GI's in history, but still game improvement irons even if they look amazing.

    Not knocking them as an iron, just knocking them as an actual players iron to be used as a full set from PW-3 iron. If they matched my performance specs I would happily play them in the longer irons as I prefer irons and fairway woods to hybrids, but they are way too low spin and I still expect a specific level of precision even from a driving iron.

    If they work, play them.

    Posted:
    Driver: Ping G410 Plus w/Tensei Orange
    3 Wood: Titleist TS2 w/HZRDUS Smoke
    Hybrid: Titleist 718 H2 w/Atmos Blue TS 
    Irons: Ping iBlade Nippon AWT 2.0 Stiff
    Wedges: Callaway MD3 50, 54, and 58
    Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
    Ball: Bridgestone XS
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • FairwaysToHeavenFairwaysToHeaven Members  3567WRX Points: 283Handicap: 5Posts: 3,567 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #31

    i saw up close more than 1 PGA club pros last year playing in the pga championship qualifying using a full bag of p790s

    Posted:
    Ping G400 LST 10 w/ Hzrdus Black 6.0 75g
    TM M2 3HL w/ Rogue Black 70 S
    Cobra F8 19*
    J15CB w/ Modus 120X 4-P
    Cleveland RTX3 CB 50 54 58
    TM Spider Tour Black w/ T-sightline 36" 
2

Leave a Comment

Rich Text Editor. To edit a paragraph's style, hit tab to get to the paragraph menu. From there you will be able to pick one style. Nothing defaults to paragraph. An inline formatting menu will show up when you select text. Hit tab to get into that menu. Some elements, such as rich link embeds, images, loading indicators, and error messages may get inserted into the editor. You may navigate to these using the arrow keys inside of the editor and delete them with the delete or backspace key.