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Hi, just to add my experience from Germany. Also bought from eBay a g410 Driver, which looks nice.

Hit it and sound was quite loud but had no doubt on being a real ping. But through that talk I dived deep and found some deviations on the driver as described here in last posts.

finally I send my serial number to ping to check and

1) number did exist

2) was a Japanese’s model (myshaft was a J CB version)

3) specs did not fit (head only, LH version, 12 loft)

 

so so not doubt it is a fake although it went quite long compared to my TM M2.

 

S/N was as i dictated here a 096...DP do also fakes use a real S/N from Ping with wrong specs.

 

gteetings from germany

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Not sure on the serial numbers but it probably performs well like mine did because the face is not legal more than likely. The biggest issue with the one I bought was the weight. It came in at 190g where it should be around 20-206g. Also the thing is a hook machine. Three of us could not get it to go straight or to the right. I ended up giving it to a friend who is a new golfer who slices everything and he is finally hitting the ball somewhat straight! LOL. So the internal weighting must be way off. Oh well, live and learn :-(

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That’s awesome. So when your friend finally upgrades to an authentic driver from a real manufacturer, he’ll have a super slice swing developed to perfection. He will have no idea why his new $500 driver won’t go straight for the life of him. Hahaha

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LOL. he knows all about it being a counterfeit but he hit so well he wanted it. He was the only one I could trust that wouldn't try to sell it as the real deal to someone else. It was that or smash it with a hammer so it could not be resold.

TE C722 9* House of Forged custom shaft XX
TE C722 15* Tensei AV-RAW White 7x

TE C722 18* Tensei AV-RAW White 8x

Ping I525 4-GW Project X IO stiff
Vokey SM8 54*
Vokey SM8 58*
Putter = flavor of the day. (EvnRoll ER11vx, 3 different Seemores,  TM TM2 Truss CS, Machine CS M2A Converter, 2 different Yes putters)
Maxfli Tour X or Vice Pro

 

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In fairness, there's a lot of drivers I can't get to go anywhere but left.

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Regarding the weight of the heads.. I called Ping last week as I was looking to get a 6g or 8g weight from them for my new G410 LST head, as it's 205g with the stock 12g weight. I first talked with their customer service rept that I have dealt with before, and he said the lightest weight they have are the 10g or 12g weights. He then transferred me to one of their assembly department line lead men who I asked the same question.. I was told that "we'd use less hot melt in the head if custom ordered lighter swing weight" he went on to say that they use it on all their G410 driver heads to achieve their desired weight. I just wanted to share that bit of info. I told them that my only option would be ordering a new head at lighter weight or find a non-OEM weight on eBay.. or get a 10g weight and drill out the backside to remove some weight..

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Well this sucks, I usually buy my drivers second hand on ebay and now I'm terrified :)

Incidentally I believe I also had a fake 410 plus, guy at the course was selling the head for 279 almost as soon as he bought it.

I passed.

A month later he offered it me for £100. I bit his hand off but when I hit it it sounded awful, mega loud to the point where it would hurt my ears and I would feel embarrassed about using it.

Gave it to a local pro who plays on Euro Tour, never once seen him do a bad shot on the range, he scuffs two to the left off the range. That never happens....Until now.

It also performed weird too, another pga pro at the club hit it on GC2 and said it felt really bad. I then bought a 410 LST which I felt was legit and it sounded fine and the pga pro nailed it straight and long on the sim.

Worse thing is I bought two other PING driver heads off him too, one of which I am still using and I do get some crazy ball flights. Its got me thinking.https://www.dhgate.com/product/golf-club-g410-plus-no-1-wood-club-10-5-9/536796272.html?d1_page_num=1&dspm=pcen.sp.list.22.dAa62f1ZxmbvNUFg5ikF&resource_id=536796272#s1-18-1;searl|0259079884:22

If you look at that link,many of the things which the original poster defines (6+ months ago) as telling a fake from a legit seem to be rectified somewhat i.e the arrow below the serial is now flush.

Its obvious these fakes will evolve as the makers read threads like this.

I think it would be entirely possible to buy a fake second hand at somewhere like a golf retail store. I fear the only way to get second hand stuff now is to ask for a receipt of purchase.

I'm really put off by buying anything second hand now.

 

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Unfortunately you are correct. Just in case I want a SIM max in trade for my SIM, I kept all my ordering records from Carl's Golfland to provide on my side. I won't trade or buy second hand unless someone has them now.

I know this isn't a SIM counterfeit thread, but I saw a great one the other day from a guy I played with. The looks are almost perfect, just some very minor issues with the font, but the sound was a dead giveaway.

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These threads about fakes just need to be done away with. Guys put out pics and info about flaws with the counterfeits and the counterfeiters rely on this info from this website and improve the product. I don't know what to believe anymore. I see a guy on YouTube play an entire bag of fake titliest clubs and made 3 birdies in 4 holes. How the heck is this possible with fake equipment?

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Simple, people were making birdies 50-60 years ago with clubs which were probably NOT as good as today's counterfeit clubs, so the debate isn't can counterfeit clubs be good enough to play some decent golf and make a birdie with a talented player at the helm, its about.

If you're buying 100 grams of gold, you don't expect to be given Silver.

 

 

 

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I recently bought a fairway wood that felt too heavy like crazy so searched and found this thread. Turns out I was sold a fake from a seller in the UK up in Newcastle John Dent is his name so stay away. I put a complaint in to eBay and he’s accepted the return which I suppose is a result where I don’t loose any money but I’m pissed off as I bought head weights and an extra stiff shaft before I realised it was a fake. The moral of the story don’t buy clubs on eBay that are 2/3 rds the price of retail brand new. I have now purchase the new G425 5 wood from a registered retailer at full price. Never again!

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