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i saw up close more than 1 PGA club pros last year playing in the pga championship qualifying using a full bag of p790s

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Did any of them qualify?

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Long Irons (4-6): Wilson D7 Forged/DG120TI
Short Irons (7-P): Wilson Staff Model Blade/DG120TI

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No, but a hollowed out "blade", foam filled or not, is a perimeter weighted, more forgiving club, hence the GI.

But if you want to tell me it's not that big an internal cavity and call it a "Player's CB", no worries. I ain't cutting one open to find out. It still ain't a "blade" though no matter how much it looks like one.

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they did well enough to qualify for the finals but not sure about qualifying for the actual PGA championship. But shooting under par in initial qualifying tournaments tells me these irons fit more than simply the 15 handicap who isn't a long hitter.

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... It is just so silly for those that have not played P790's for any length of time to to go on rants about them. I have seen several posts over the years from those that played P790's and did not like them. Perfectly valid because any iron is not a universally good fit for all golfers and P790's in particular have some unique playing characteristics. Posts like "no serious golfer would play them" is amazingly ignorant. I played with a PGA Pro in Phoenix that shot a 64 from the tips using P790's. He was in his 50's and liked everything about his P790's especially the added distance with his long irons.

... For a forum that loves to poo poo almost everything as Marketing hype, WRX members get too caught up in the category name of an iron, as if using anything not a Players Iron makes them less of a golfer. No longer is a wide sole, thick top line and excessive offset a requirement for a GI iron. Clearly OEM's have designed irons to look like a traditional players iron at address with hidden forgiving features. I was most definitely not in the market for Distance Players Irons. But I demo everything at the show every year and was blown away by the look at address, the performance, trajectory and the additional yards that were very consistent for me. If you wanna call P790's GI or even SGI irons, that is OK with me because I will shoot the same score with them and honestly don't care what a stranger on a golf forum thinks my irons should be named.

... I have been writing reviews for years and started out playing Wilson Staff MB's and MacGregor persimmon woods as well as the original Ping Eye 2's that were game changers, so I think I have a pretty good historical idea of what category a club falls into and from my perspective P790's are Players Distance Irons that are also forgiving. But if you wanna call them GI's or even SGI's I am perfectly OK with that and LOL I will not take them out of my bag because I need "Players Irons" to justify my existence here. It's really very, very simple. We find which clubs work best for our game and help us shoot the lowest score and then share that information with others on a golf forum. Everyone is different and it is up to each individual to read and see if something applies to their particular game and make their own decisions about whether they should demo those clubs. The rest from those that have never played, let alone even hit those clubs is just a WRX circle jerk.

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Fairway:    Cobra Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R
Hybrids:    Ping G430 22* ... Alta CB Black 70r
                  TM Dhy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r

Irons:         Titleist T200 '23 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r
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Why is it so important to categorize the 790s? It's obvious they're not MB blades. It's just as obvious they're not full out SGIs. Everything in between is along a continuum between those extremes and highly subjective to the individual. In the end, you either like them and they fit your game, or not.

I've seen plenty of scratch and plus players using 790s in FSGA and Palm Beach County events. Plenty of club pros as well...

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Kasco K2K 33 - Fujikura Pro TourSpec 73 
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Taylormade HiToe 54 (bent to 55 & 2 flat)
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I suppose anything that’s not a true muscle back could be considered a GI to some. That’s fine. Obviously they have some performance enhancements and offer a level of forgiveness. The better players I’ve played with, scratch or better, more times than not played with something other than an MB. Many have played with ping G series. The term “player iron” is pretty subjective to me.

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In my opinion (and that's what we're all giving here - opinions, not facts), the P790's can fit just about any HC. Personally, over half of the 10-12 guys I regularly play with have switched to 790's and that is a range from scratch to 15 handicap as well as guys that were already long and guys that are short hitters. My core group is all sub 5 handicaps and all but one has switched. One guy has a combo set w/ the 790's in just the 4 and 5 irons and he is well above PGA Tour average with speed - 124mph w/ driver on Trackman.

In relation to OP, you can't compare the 7 iron in the 790 to the 7 iron in the 760 if you are comparing distance, spin and descent. A more appropriate comparison is the 790 7 iron to the 760 6 iron. Get the flight you want and the feel you want and then adjust your set from there. I went w/ 4-PW on the 2017 790's because I didn't need a 3 iron due the distance changes. Then I added another wedge.

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AVGUY, your elbow issues are probably from the PX shafts, they can be very harsh on joints. I developed pretty severe "golfers elbow" which is tendinitis in the left elbow (right handed). Never had it with DG, or the original rifles. Changed to PX and had it after the first season. Switched to Modus 120 and it went away.

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Skit-yep, I've owned that Callaway set with PX shafts since 2011 which covers 3 episodes of the left armed tendon tears.....

This bout is my least severe, so once I can get my P760 with that elbow-friendly Recoil 110 shaft I know I'll be ok.....

This thread got a touch contentious on the plus/minus for P790 - I think TM did a great job in those, but the look of P760 will likely blend better into my garage of irons I still will play.

 

 

BAG ONE:                                                                                                   BAG TWO:
D - Callaway Rogue ST Max D                                               - Cobra F9 Tour Length  

5 -  Ping G425 Max 5(16.5)                                                    3 -  TEE C721 Pro 3 HL(16.5)

H - Callaway Mav P (18) Titleist TS2 (21)                              H - TM SF 2.0 (18) & (21)

I -  Titleist T300 4                                                                   I -  Taylormade SIM Max 4      
I -  Titleist T100 5-P/MR KK TiNi 105                                     I -  Taylormade P760 5-P/Recoils 110 F4

W - Vokey SM8 52, Vokey SM6 58                                        W - Vokey SM8 52, Vokey SM6 58 
P - Bellum Winmore Midi  787                                                - Guerin TS Black 370

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