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Launch is generally player dependent however I would save the Triple Diamond is comfortably a mid to mid-high (not moon balls high) launching.

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This is the best analogy I've seen about the differences in the heads.

I personally play a 9* 2D (8.7 actual) straight in and it has "fixed" my miss (towards the toe @ 10:00) with the standard EFSZ and 3D. It's also lower spin than the 3D around 600 RPM for me.

 

 

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So can anyone just simplify this whole discussion by filling out a chart, maybe something like (no clue if this is right):

Bias Launch Spin

epic sz Draw Mid Low

1 diamond Draw Higher ~1 deg Higher ~500 rpm

2 diamond High fade Low ~1 deg. Low (same as sz)

3 diamond. Fade/n. Mid. Higher +300 rpm

 

 

 

 

sorry, chart doesn’t show well. But there’s so much confusion about what the diamonds translate too in launch, be nice to have real number comparisons

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Anybody have any more experience with the single diamond? Is it same or lower spin than triple diamond? Same or lower in forgiveness? I’ve read the thread, but there is a lot of conflicting info, haha. Thanks!

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Titleist TSR2 16.5* (Set to 15.75*) Tour AD DI 7S
Titleist TSR2 18* Hybrid Tour AD IZ 85S
Titleist u505 4i (21*) Tour AD DI 95S

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Triple Diamond is the highest spin of the EF Diamond heads. I feel as spin drops, in most cases so does forgiveness.

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Mizuno Pro 243 4-PW irons - MMT 105S

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Thanks. I’m trying to decide if I want to go in on a single or triple diamond. I’m thinking the Double will be too low spin and consequently too unforgiving for me. Do you know how much higher spin the 3D is on avg when compared to the 1D?

Callaway Paradym Triple 💎 10.5* Ventus Blue 6X/TR 6S
Titleist TSR2 16.5* (Set to 15.75*) Tour AD DI 7S
Titleist TSR2 18* Hybrid Tour AD IZ 85S
Titleist u505 4i (21*) Tour AD DI 95S

Srixon Zx7 MK II 5-PW, 51* AW - Modus 105S
Callaway Jaws 56*-Jaws Full Toe 60*-  DG 115 TI S200

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Well...since I couldn’t get the answers I was seeking, I just went ahead and bought a single and a double diamond EF SZ off of eBay. Once I get the heads in I will head over to my local club builder that has a trackman system and compare numbers on both heads with the same shaft and also put it up against my OG Epic SZ. I will post back on to this thread once I get the comparison completed.

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Anyone know whats the difference in the Tour version of the regular Epic Flash?

The only difference I have found out is the lack of the line on the crown and also that there is a 8.5° option.

Would be interested in finding out if there is anything else that is different, maybe a CG difference or a trajectory bias?

I think Van Rooyen, Stenson and Min Woo Lee have had a win with this head.

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What were the rates? Obviously, it would vary person to person, but curious what your spin numbers were. I noticed you have the 3D in the bag per your sig. Just a better overall fit?

Callaway Paradym Triple 💎 10.5* Ventus Blue 6X/TR 6S
Titleist TSR2 16.5* (Set to 15.75*) Tour AD DI 7S
Titleist TSR2 18* Hybrid Tour AD IZ 85S
Titleist u505 4i (21*) Tour AD DI 95S

Srixon Zx7 MK II 5-PW, 51* AW - Modus 105S
Callaway Jaws 56*-Jaws Full Toe 60*-  DG 115 TI S200

Toulon Garage Custom Las Vegas H7 35”

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2D-2110

3D-2680. So really it was 570.

I'm getting old and losing speed. If I was still above 115 on a consistent basis the 2D would be a no brainer. But I'm more 108-110 these days and need the spin.

I'm also more accurate with the 3D and my fairways % is better by 11%.

Hope this helps,

Todd

 

 

 

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Thanks Todd. I’m in the same ss range. Mine is arriving soon. Hoping it hits the 2200-2400 range for me. I love my LTD Pro, but I can’t consistently launch it or spin it enough even at 9.5-10*. I hit some bombs, but also some that fall out of the sky. I miss high and high toe and it seemed the triple diamond was the one to get. Thanks.

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Callaway Paradym Triple 💎 10.5* Ventus Blue 6X/TR 6S
Titleist TSR2 16.5* (Set to 15.75*) Tour AD DI 7S
Titleist TSR2 18* Hybrid Tour AD IZ 85S
Titleist u505 4i (21*) Tour AD DI 95S

Srixon Zx7 MK II 5-PW, 51* AW - Modus 105S
Callaway Jaws 56*-Jaws Full Toe 60*-  DG 115 TI S200

Toulon Garage Custom Las Vegas H7 35”

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I ordered 2 Diamond... SS 112-113 my setup is usually 8.5 with good launch numbers, so if need be I could go to 9.5 but I think I have to take spin down, trying to get 2200 spin rate !!

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Anyone still using their EFSZ Triple Diamond? If you could share your swing speed and shaft combo, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Callaway Epic Flash Subzero Double Diamond Ventus TR Blue 6S tipped 1.5"

Callaway Epic Flash Subzero 15* bonded Ventus TR Blue 7S tipped 1.25"

Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 20* Ventus TR Blue 8S tipped 1.5"

Epon AF Tour 4-PW Modus 105 Stiff
Cleveland RTX6 Zipcore 51, 55, 59 Modus 115 and 125 Wedge Shaft

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I loved the EFSZ Head. Got all my woods stolen like a month and a half ago. Callaway won’t build my driver like they did before. Now even saying no more EFSZ heads, but I can get them online. I just want to know if a Diamond Head is better. Single Diamond seeks to be similar to the regular from what I have read. Just want to know the differences.

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