Kevin Na vs WRX

[KaiserSoze]

I agree. A statement that cavity backs twist less on off center strikes is not news. It’s simple physics that we should all understand.

[msses]

"But I was fit for the MBs."

[golfbuddy]

Yup Longer a decent thread goes it eventually turns into manure.

[Shilgy]

Lol, I just tried it. What’s the point as it just looks like my screen faded a bit. Good new is if I wanted to find all of your posts in a thread all I would have to do is put you on ignore and easily find the faded posts! Ha!

[jons1]

Sounds like some cmbs are in my future

[clinkinfo]

What is going on lately here? Every freaking thread gets shut down, or they change the title and add (no....x,y,z discussion), then erase all the posts they don’t like.

we are on a golf forum. The fact that we are worried about a thread lock because we want to discuss the club option of a pro golfer is absolutely insane.

what can we talk about here now?

the grass? The sand? How many trees are on a course?

 

[clinkinfo]

But that’s an untrue, or at least unPROVEN statement.

there is not enough evidence that clearly shows “forgiving” head designs result in better scores. In fact, I’d argue the fact that manufacturers simply refuse to put clubs on iron Byron and SHOW what toe and heel forgiveness looks like , it strongly implies it’s way way less than the marketing department wants you to think.

i have no way to prove my point anymore than you can prove yours. The only thing I can point to is the mark crossfield video series where he COMPLETELY reversed his long believed opinion that cavity back forgiving clubs were the best choice and moves back to blades.

there is a significant advantage to knowing an iron is going to go X yards every time. Blades do that better, the dispersion is tighter,and when you watch every YouTube review of a decent player it shows that. Obviously, if you don’t find the middle often, maybe they are a bad choice. But if you’re reasonable in striking, Giving up some distance for consistency is not wrong. And obviously, Na’s opinion is NOT universally agreed to on tour.

Plus, if it was true, why don’t we all play cavity back wedges then?

[dciccoritti]

Love it :-)

[Shilgy]

So we’re arguing/discussing two sides neither of which can be proven?

 

Sounds normal on wrx!

[jons1]

 

[Red4282]

Necro!!!

[chisag]

... Clinkinfo I think you, like many here have Marketing backwards. Sales is and always has been about supply and demand. Which do you think is easier and cheaper to produce? A multi material forged head like T100-S or a solid forged head like 620MB's both at $1400? Why would Titleist promote the T100-S over the 690MB when it cost more to manufacture and is more difficult to produce? How easy would it be to say "Rory, DJ, Jason Day and the best ball strikers in the world play MB's so if you wanna be the best you can be, shouldn't you be playing MB's too?" But since one;y 1% of sales goes to MB's, of course they are not going to waste advertising on 1% of the market. (Although they could advertise to the vast majority of that 1% by taking an ad out on WRX)

... Your wedge comment aside because forgives and loft go hand in hand, many here that favor CB's over MB's would agree that most decent ball strikers certainly can play MB's in the pw-8 iron without losing the kind of performance they might with mid and certainly long irons. The fact that Rory plays MB's but has P760 3 and 4 irons in his bag should tell you something. But again, this is like the 2nd amendment and nobody wants to take away your MB's. If you like MB's, then buy 'em and play 'em. No OEM is gonna be mad you bought MB's and didn't buy into their Marketing of T300's, Mavrik's, G410's, P790's, 585's, King F9's or JPX Hot Metals's.

[dciccoritti]

This guy obviously doesn't understand the concept of creating demand. Or maybe he does and is just 'peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining'. Anyways, by far the most pathetic troll thread ever ?

[TheRaven]

I've debated carrying a super game improvement 4iron to bridge the gap between hybrids and player Cavity backs. At the end of the day, people will find what works for them and Kevin knows what works for him.

[Chuck905]

 

Finished the day with two iron stingers sneaking below the prairie winds, very satisfying.

[Sean2]

l understand that manure makes good fertilizer though. :-)

[Sean2]

At the end of the day golf clubs are just tools you use to advance a golf ball. Neither tool is good or bad, it just is, be it an MB or a CB. I don't understand those that vehemently defend one or the other. There is nothing to defend.

[Pepperturbo]

Some people are badly in need of validation of their choice so they overly emphasize their choice in hopes of gaining support. Then there are those of us don't need validation nor seek acceptance to certain clubs.

I couldn't agree more though, clubs are tools, like cars are tools. It comes down to how each of us wants to experience the process of getting where we're going. I do have to laugh though. Over the years GI & SGI irons have greatly improved, lofts have gotten really strong, yet Indexes still have not dropped. Makes a person wonder, outside of arguing THEORY, how much of said theory in favor of "X" has practical merit.

[bubbagump]

For somebody claiming they don't need validation, you spend lots of time replying down to others with different opinions and being down in the weeds of this "debate".

[Pepperturbo]

How old are you??? Your point is rather confusing. Replying has no bearing on validation if you know what the latter word means. I don't tell anyone what they should play, or look for people to agree with my choice in clubs, just share my opinion on my choice in clubs, as I have both MBs and CBs. You apparently have a problem with those facts.

[bubbagump]

Agree, think its been clear to see the shift on tour to CBs albeit full sets or just swapping out the long irons for a little help so there is clearly some circumstantial evidence to support what Na is saying. Even with that though, I took Na's point to simply be the best answer to this "debate".....play what you want and what inspires confidence. That is going to be blades, cbs, sgi, croquet mallets or whatever depending on the player and none would be the wrong or right answer.

 

 

 

[Ri_Redneck]

But yet, I've NEVER seen evidence pertaining to what degree they affect one's game. No data showing X% tighter dispersion proven by robotic or human testing. Only testimonials like we're seeing here and my own personal experience. But, it's true that those in each group vehemently protect their opinions. Kinda like the Left Twix / Right Twix argument!

BT

[Red4282]

Well well well, stop the presses... this is pretty amazing evidence for blades being better...

[Shilgy]

Except without knowing all of the facts maybe the average index stays up because too many insist they play blades better.

 

And yes, I am joshing with with. I don’t care what anyone plays but you better have high club speed to play the 2 iron pictured a few posts above(yes, I know that was not your picture). With lower club speeds you may hit it 200 something with roll but it is not an efficient way to play. Good off the tee on a windy day though.

[tdelam]

I play blades. I've played pretty every set of irons out there (I have a club ho'ing problem ). To be 100% honest, I haven't noticed a single difference. I am not a pro. I don't find blades any harder to hit than AP1's or AP2's. There is the odd time when I thought "hmm, that one came up short, I mishit it pretty good" but that I would MUCH rather coming up short than being long, lots more trouble over the green more often than not.

Kevin Na's agenda is obviously different than most of ours. Golf is his job. If you had a choice between using a hammer or a nail gun to hammer a nail, you'd use the nail gun.

[Red4282]

Just watch the video i posted, confirms everything you said

[Shilgy]

Makes me wonder how most pros are able to play CB irons. Seems like they would get sick of hot spot shots and balls flying uncontrollable distances.

[mahonie]

It would be interesting to see the same test replacing the Mavrik with a ‘player’s CB,’ something like the AP2. I’m guessing there would be very little difference between it and the blade.

 

 

[Jimjam651]

If the variance comes from mishit shots then the pro's wouldn't be affected by the inconsistencies across the face anyway

I don't think there's that much of a difference between a 'players CB' and a blade either, especially modern blade designs.

From what I've seen when people test blades vs SGI irons, the biggest difference seems to be a higher launch angle and less spin with SGI. The increased distance claims are pretty much debunked when you match loft.

I do wonder how forgiving irons can really be. How much difference can a few grams of perimeter weighting across a small iron make when a club, being swung at 80 odd MPH makes contact with a golf ball for milliseconds and if it does make any difference, how much difference will it make in measurable yards vs the equivalent mishit on a blade.

The amount of variance in the SGI iron evidenced by Crossfield is concerning albeit the data set is so small we probably shouldn't draw too many conclusions from it. It would be great to see a larger scale study involving more golfers & more shots hit with both blades and SGI irons to see what difference there really is.

[Sean2]

I posted something similar a few years ago and was flamed, lol. One guy said it was "scientifically impossible" . I find the concept of "forgiveness" to be overrated. Regardless of what type of club you play, you still have to put a decent swing on it it get good results. The most "forgiving" clubs on the planet won't do a person much good if he makes a lousy swing on the ball.