Diamana ZF

[asroma19]

Anyone compare this to the Diamana D Limited? Looking to try a Diamana ZF in 60TX vs. a Diamana D Limited 60X.

Thanks!

[JNewsted]

I'm sure this has been answered before, but I'm not quite understanding how "TX" fits in here.

These go from Stiff to Tour Xtra... is there no "regular" X-Stiff, or does Mitsubishi just use "TX" as their word for X-Sstiff? I'm typically 105-110 SS and like a slightly stiffer shaft - but by no means can I handle something meant for those 120mph bombers. (Where I'd imagine a TOUR Xtra Stiff would be appropriate...)

[noodle3872]

 

[JNewsted]

@noodle3872 Thanks! Somehow I missed that...

[dan040286]

Anyone compare the ZF to RipX or Diamana Limited? How have guys been tipping it and any playability difference from the 60TX to 70TX? Thanks

[nitram]

The Diamana Ltd. is lower launch and spin and has somewhat more feel to it. Only hit the untipped 60. Can't say about the RipX.

[JI3]

Does anyone have ZF 60 S and TX CPM measured at 45" or 45.25" playable length? (with swing weight of D2 or D3)

My experience with Diamana DF and BF shafts are they play about a flex softer than indicated flex. (Maybe that's why it's smoother?) Tensei line-ups play more true to the flex.

Diamana DF and BF have stiff, x-stiff, and TX flexes, whereas ZF only have S and TX flexes.

So I'm just curious as to what the measured CPM is going to be for ZF stiff.

 

[noodle3872]

I disagree with your take in the Diamana shafts. All Mitsubishi shafts I have tried, I’ve played everything but Fubuki, all feel great and play pretty comparable to other like flexes in similar profiles. If you like the TPB in your driver you will like the ZF’s playability. It’s a shade lower spin with similar launch as TPB.

[dukebasketball717]

Are you saying the DF & BF play softer so if you generally play X flex you should to to TX?

[dukebasketball717]

How does the ZF work as a fairway shaft? I'm playing the DF now in my driver and it just beat out a Ventus Blue. I was trying to like the blue but I just couldn't stop it from hooking and flying too high.

[noodle3872]

ZF is great in 3 wood. Elevates easily off the deck and is solid off a tee. Tip is stable on mishits and seems to keep spin in check.

[dukebasketball717]

Thanks for the information. Now the quest to find one reasonably priced.

[radiman]

Digging up an old thread. Ordered the ZF 60TX in an Epic Max LS. Was back ordered for 2 months because of the shaft. Finally shipped and it looks like they sent a 60 X. According to everything I’ve seen online, they didn’t even have X available. Was listed as TX on Callaway’s site. Did MCA just change the way they labeled the shaft? 
 

Just a little confused and looking for some clarification. 

[BlueDragonKorea]

1 hour ago, radiman said:

Digging up an old thread. Ordered the ZF 60TX in an Epic Max LS. Was back ordered for 2 months because of the shaft. Finally shipped and it looks like they sent a 60 X. According to everything I’ve seen online, they didn’t even have X available. Was listed as TX on Callaway’s site. Did MCA just change the way they labeled the shaft? 
 

Just a little confused and looking for some clarification. 

There’s an X, but I’ve only seen it for sale in Japan. Maybe they sell it direct to OEMs. It’s different from the TX.

[hagimihale]

On 5/29/2020 at 12:16 AM, noodle3872 said:

ZF is great in 3 wood. Elevates easily off the deck and is solid off a tee. Tip is stable on mishits and seems to keep spin in check.

 

I can confirm this.  I have a ZF 70X in an 18* TS2 (dialed down to 17.25*).  Solid, repeatable baby draws on tee shots, and has been pretty good off the deck as well.  

[radiman]

1 hour ago, BlueDragonKorea said:

There’s an X, but I’ve only seen it for sale in Japan. Maybe they sell it direct to OEMs. It’s different from the TX.

Thanks. That’s what I feared. Callaway definitely had it listed as tx on their site. Will have to reach out to them I suppose. 

[OspreyCI]

Anymore feedback on this shaft in a driver? I am still tempted on this one.

[Krt22]

17 minutes ago, OspreyCI said:

Anymore feedback on this shaft in a driver? I am still tempted on this one.

It's really nice, sort of the diamana version of the ventus blue.  Lively but still very stable.

[OspreyCI]

1 hour ago, Krt22 said:

It's really nice, sort of the diamana version of the ventus blue.  Lively but still very stable.

Glad you compared it against the VB. I do not get along with that shaft in fittings and tried my buddies driver with and still did not get along with it. Thanks.

[Krt22]

1 hour ago, OspreyCI said:

Glad you compared it against the VB. I do not get along with that shaft in fittings and tried my buddies driver with and still did not get along with it. Thanks.

For some reason I did not either, the VB feels sorta dead compared to the ZF. I really like the ZF though. I also hit them back to back and the ZF was the clear winner. I struggle with a low left miss and the ZF some how gets the ball to elevate super easy but with out the left miss fear

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Krt22

[BeyondVision]

really would like to try the ZF and TB side by side against VB.  Just don't feel like dealing with the local Club Champion 

[radiman]

2 hours ago, BeyondVision said:

really would like to try the ZF and TB side by side against VB.  Just don't feel like dealing with the local Club Champion 

Ventus Blue already in the arsenal. ZF is going to make its maiden voyage soon. And the TB is high on my want to buy list. 

[noodle3872]

4 hours ago, BeyondVision said:

really would like to try the ZF and TB side by side against VB.  Just don't feel like dealing with the local Club Champion 

In my testing they are darn near the same number wise. It came down to dispersion and feel. If you look at my signature, you’ll know which shaft won. 

[BeyondVision]

7 hours ago, noodle3872 said:

In my testing they are darn near the same number wise. It came down to dispersion and feel. If you look at my signature, you’ll know which shaft won. 

 

Did you play a 6s in the VB?  Thinking about TB 60x as I am playing the VB 6x right now.  Any help I can get to eliminate my right miss (lefty).  Looking for something smooth that will hold up with 100% swings, but also not punish you if you are swinging 80%.  Home track is pretty narrow but there are a few holes that you can really take advantage of, if you are really accurate off the tee with the driver

[hardcaliber]

On 5/3/2021 at 1:15 PM, Krt22 said:

For some reason I did not either, the VB feels sorta dead compared to the ZF. I really like the ZF though. I also hit them back to back and the ZF was the clear winner. I struggle with a low left miss and the ZF some how gets the ball to elevate super easy but with out the left miss fear

 

 

 

Agree 100 % with this take. I tested ZF and VB extensively side by side. The VB had a weird combination of being really easy to load, almost too much so, yet the ball came out low and spinny and felt kind of dead and was noticeably shorter than other shafts I was hitting. The ZF has a nice subtle kick and feels stable but not boardy. Mid launch with mid to low spin for me. ZF is my current gamer but I’m about to build out something with a tensei 1k just for the heck of it. 

[noodle3872]

16 hours ago, BeyondVision said:

 

Did you play a 6s in the VB?  Thinking about TB 60x as I am playing the VB 6x right now.  Any help I can get to eliminate my right miss (lefty).  Looking for something smooth that will hold up with 100% swings, but also not punish you if you are swinging 80%.  Home track is pretty narrow but there are a few holes that you can really take advantage of, if you are really accurate off the tee with the driver

I gamed VB a few rounds. I just never got confident with it in my driver. It put up good LM numbers but the loading of the shaft seemed to throw my timing off. I started guiding the ball into play rather than free wheeling it. I probably could sort it out but I didn’t because I had TB and ZF waiting in the wings. 

[BeyondVision]

10 hours ago, hardcaliber said:

Agree 100 % with this take. I tested ZF and VB extensively side by side. The VB had a weird combination of being really easy to load, almost too much so, yet the ball came out low and spinny and felt kind of dead and was noticeably shorter than other shafts I was hitting. The ZF has a nice subtle kick and feels stable but not boardy. Mid launch with mid to low spin for me. ZF is my current gamer but I’m about to build out something with a tensei 1k just for the heck of it. 

I have a tensei 1k 50x.  To me it wasn't consistent compared to the VB, although when you hit it in the center, the ball flight and distance was superior.  I just couldn't hit it in the center with it.  

[halfsumo]

I just got a ZF 70TX un-tipped from the Will Peoples BST thread and put it in my SIM ti 3 wood. It was super windy today when I got out to hit it, so not a whole lot I could tell on ball flight, but my impressions: pretty beefy and the stiffness in the handle is noticeable, but the softness in the mid is also noticeable.  I was a little worried it might be too stiff, but the weird thing I noticed was that every shot felt so so much more solid than with the stock shaft which I have in Stiff flex. Usually a too stiff shaft makes every shot feel less solid to me. I dunno how that works here, other than maybe the materials. I like the 'made-for' Diamana Limited stock shaft in the SIM fairways because it launches super easy, but this ZF makes the 3 wood feel too good. I need to hit it when not hitting into 30 MPH head winds. 

[hagimihale]

@halfsumo, I had the same experience with the ZF in a fairway.  I picked up an 18* TS2 off BST that came with a ZF in 70X.  I typically game whiteboard profiles and half expected the ZF to have too much hinge.  Several rounds later, I am definitely impressed with this shaft.  I can turn it over when needed, but if I don't try to crush the ball it holds its line pretty well, and it feels very stable.

 

 

Edited May 19, 2021 by hagimihale

[evoviiiyou]

FWIW I have the ZF60S in my SIM2MAX driver and love it. My other gamer is a PXG Proto+ with Ventus Velocore Red6S and honestly I cannot feel a difference between the two.  Both ultra smooth with a lot of stability, as I am a tweeter between X and S flex with driver.  If you like ultra smooth with a nice feel of "load" but require a stable feeling tip, the ZF will not disappoint.  I definitely find it smoother and as, if not more stable than a tipped Tensei AV Raw 65S and more a little more stable/consistent than BF6S.

 

Lastly, ZF is a really conservatively pretty shaft visually....love the ion finish and "rainbow" script touches.