TENSEI AV Raw?

[Olddoncarlo]

Has anyone tested these?

Are they for sale yet?

How do they compare to CK's?

[mjbaker80]

I have heard late this month from a person who has an account with MRC. I think they were waiting for the tour to restart.

[agood3putt]

June 17th is release date for MCA Golf dealers.

[Olddoncarlo]

Anybody know what the price will be?

[jonflesh]

I have a 65 stiff in the blue. I love it. Been thinking of switching to the pro blue 70 just because of the slight weight increase but otherwise the av raw is awesome

[pga43]

Just got a new AV orange to photograph. I'll post better photos tomorrow out at TPC Sawgrass. These were taken in my hotel room

 

Greg

 

[pdaero]

That's beautiful, Greg! I hope to test it at some point.

[jonflesh]

I posted this in another thread but here is my blue that I mentioned above

[storm319]

So with exception to the addition of the TX flexes, this is just a cosmetic change for the existing Blue AV?

[wilsonn24]

Yes I am curious if the AV raw white will be the same as the CK pro white or will things performance wise be changing.

[sloansav62]

Ordered the raw Blue for driver and three wood. Will post review in a couple weeks.

[ForTourUseOnly]

Quick review,

Orange is very similar to the CK orange but with a smaller butt diameter, went with the 65TX this time as it is 70grams, about 1 less wrap of tape under the grip to get the same size as well, which is nice for my small hands.

Overall feel its very very similar but maybe a little stiffer. Came out 2-3 CPM stiffer than the CK 70 TX tipped the same 1"

Shaft really doesn't want to go left on me which is great and the new butt end look is great, not distracting at all.

Only thing I wish was that they put the MR70 and Tungsten logos on the TX flexes to show the difference.

[ChiChi]

Has anyone tried the AV White to see similarities to CK Pro White?

[Smitty120]

That is the comparison I would like to see. I wager numbers would be near identical.

[Valtiel]

Seems to be that way. The new AV Raw shafts I am seeing for sale online have a $249 price point for the R/S/X flexes and $359 for the TX flex. Seems that we are doing the "TX flex is the premium version" song and dance again.

[lakecowboy]

Based off the price point, does the AV Raw White replace the CK White? Is the CK Pro White still the premier shaft in this lineup?

[Golfingfanatic]

I think that AV Raw White R,S,X replace the Tensei White and the TX flex replaces the pro white.

[ForTourUseOnly]

Different materials used in the TX models like MR70, Boron etc which is why the more expensive price point, still cheaper than CK Pro Orange was though

[StillNoAce]

Watching PGA tour live this morning. Looks as if Rory has new AV White in play in his 3 wood

[speeder757]

That is what MRC has been stating about the Butt Diameter. However the specs on their website show virtually no change in butt diameter. I wish all manufactures would just stick with .600

[ForTourUseOnly]

Its smaller forsure, the extreme butt end may be the same but where the kevlar was on the pro it actually got a bit bigger in the CK model where now it doesn't its about .020 less where the AV wrap is.

Some manufacturers have butt ends that are .640+ generally this is to stiffen up the shaft but not add cost as they don't need to go to a strong more expensive material.

[ignitewvu]

But they don't have MR70 or Tungsten or Boron in them by all accounts

[Pingman2019]

Hit my triple diamond mavrik with av orange today and it’s an amazing combo great feel and for sure longest driver I’ve played to date

[ForTourUseOnly]

The TX flexes do thats why they are $100 more

[Valtiel]

It does slightly bother me though that it does look like a very concerted effort to continue blurring the lines between premium and OEM. It seems we're moving towards what is being done in the AV line in which there are no visual/graphic or documentation/literature differences between the two distinctly different shafts. Basically "Made for 2.0" in which your OEM shaft looks identical to the one the tour guy is playing, but it isn't. And on one hand it makes sense, the average joe doesn't need what the pro has, but on the other hand it feels deceptive in a way that outdoes the original "made for" approach. I guess all that matters at the end of the day is whether or not the product is made well and performs well, and it does seem that the today's cheaper OEM shaft is still a pretty high quality product, but I still can't help but feel a little sour about it.

[BleederFade]

Where is this documented? MCA's website doesn't mention any of these materials for the AV Raw. I feel like it would be well documented if it was used, for marketing sake.

[Valtiel]

Kinda what I was complaining about above. The TX flexes were the prototypes that were being used on tour and now obviously the ones we are seeing Koepka/McIlory/Simpson put in play recently so I think it is just assumed they are using the same kinds of high end materials as the previous Tensei shafts. But you're right in that it isn't being specifically marketed, although that has been consistent thus far with any of the lines that have an OEM R/S/X flex and a premium TX flex such as the Diamana +PLUS series, +PLUS Limited, and Kuro Kage Dual Core. Yes I think it would be good for marketing on one hand, but on the other I think they are really trying to continue this blurring of the lines between the OEM and the premium. If the website blurb said "The TX flex features 40/46 ton premium carbon fiber and MR70/Boron reinforced whatever" then people some people would start asking "wait, what is in the other flexes then?".

[Buzzkill]

Get ready to be a swingweighting fool with this counter balanced shaft unless you can handle the lighter feel - I did BUT it’s a big SW change!

[pga43]

I'm not hitting it, only got one to photograph

 

Greg

[Buzzkill]