Power on the PGA Tour......

[oikos1]

Ok. So, basically you don't like players being able to play hybrids that have 8 and 9 iron lofts? Essentially that's what hollow irons are. But again, if it's deemed legal by the ruling bodies, what's the problem? Or more specifically, is it that you don't like a hollow iron player beating you and the irons you play?

 

[bladehunter]

Lol. Nice try. Are we talking net or gross? Can’t leave out the other crutches.

[Titleist99]

LOL!....LOL!....YEP!!!

[smashdn]

 

6600 is from the very back tees. If you drive it 220-230 you need to move up a box or two.

[LICC]

I agree, 6600 is a long course for a 220-230 driver, which is about the distance for the average golfer. Around 6200 is probably the sweet spot for the average recreational player, give or take based on many other factors (elevation, course layout, etc.).

[Titleist99]

Shall we take one at a time...... Cypress point refuse to change it's policy of admitting black members so they chose to keep the status quo. Fisher Island is a nine hole course.Ifi this is typical of the rest of the list ....Just stop!

[grm24]

Fisher Island Club is 18 holes. Just stop!https://www.ficlub.net/

[Hawkeye77]

Can only hope!

[BNGL]

Fishers is 18 holes dingus

[grm24]

BTW Cypress Point is hosting the Walker Cup in 2025 which is a USGA event. Their membership policy has had to have changed for the USGA to hold the WC there. So sorry for presenting facts.

[grm24]

I get the impression when it comes to classic course knowledge T99 probably thinks Oakmont C.C. in California is where the US Open (men and women)/US Amateurs and PGA Championships have been held instead of the real thing in Western PA LOL!

[Titleist99]

We were talking about pga tour events......your facts have nothing to do with this conversation.

[Keen2bDumb]

Holes you can't overpower at Pebble:

1, 3, 8, 11, 14, 16, and 18 (unless you carry it 320 in a 10 yard corridor, which for modern players' accuracy level, means no.) Yes, it's 6,900 yards. They're hard pressed to shoot 64, let alone through driving it far. It's not a course you can overpower, if you try you will always be punished. Idk, tell me how many irons they take off these holes off the tee and remind me when Tiger won by 15 how many drivers he hit on Sunday.

[BNGL]

Maybe Brendan Todd only played 9 holes there?

[gvogel]

No 2 is now a par 4, and 6 is an easy to hit in two par 5. 9 and 10, which used to be really difficult par 4's, are now a drive and a short iron.

[Hawkeye77]

Facts have nothing to do with your posts.

[Keen2bDumb]

Yes, and none of the holes you listed are the holes I did. 6 is an easy hole. 9 and 10 weren't ever hard for long hitters, and number 2 is the easiest hole on the course since the day Pebble Beach made its name. Those holes are driver holes. The rest don't even touch that, and if you take driver on the holes I mentioned, you wouldn't break 80 if you tried. It's short, but short doesn't mean easy.

[grm24]

The USGA and the PGA Of America will not hold events at clubs with discriminatory membership policies. The same as the PGA Tour.

[pacifictour]

PGA tour left Cypress Point when they wouldn’t change their membership policy to fastrack a minority member(s)

shortly after, the club HAD accepted members that would have allowed them to rejoin the rotation and they politely declined

 

the course was not too short for the tournament it was just not moved by political pressure

[gvogel]

In the 1982 US Open, I remember Bill Rodgers, who was tied for the lead after 3 rounds and would finish T3, hit drive, 2-iron on the 10th hole. Back in the day, that was a golf hole. It's too short for today's equipment.

[bscinstnct]

 

You could fit what I know about course design into an Brazilian bikini ; )

 

But, could they just add bunkers and pinch fairways on certain holes to make the “risk” much higher in the risk vs reward equation for big drives?

 

Like yesterday, on a BD drive, there was a bunker that needed like a 320 yard carry to clear. He put it in the bunker and had to lay up.

 

I mean, I think that if they want to mitigate distance this way, they could do it. It’s just a question of if they really want to temper bomb n wedge or they think the fans/ratings will be higher if they keep it. Or even encourage it.

 

Look at BD. He’s getting the max attention and I generally hear the golf media lauding and promoting him. I think Faldo may want to call it out and say something negative but haven’t heard him.

[gvogel]

Brazilian Bikini! Good one!

I suppose they could just rip up the fairways altogether, and play from waste area to waste area like Chambers Bay.

There are plenty of bunkers at Pebble; they're just not in the right places for today's equipment. Sure, move them all. It's still a drive and pitch course.

[Titleist99]

Hope that keep you and your click far, far and away......

[golfer07840]

LMAOOOOOOOO

2 distance threads are shut down, only to have an older one be revived.

You people crack me up.

[golfer07840]

82 U.S. Open, wasn't the wind whipping around 20 to 30 MPH on that final Sunday?

If so, I'd say the course was playing pretty long.

[Titleist99]

LOL!....that would have been mighty convenient to leave that out if one wants to fit the circumstance to fit their narrative ....LOL!

[Titleist99]

Revived by the biggest hypocrite on this board....Old Eagleye77 and his click. He's the biggest complainer of distant threads, yet they can't help themselves when it comes to following me around.....LOL!

[gvogel]

Nope. I think you are confusing it with the 1992 US Open, won by Tom Kite.

Just watched highlights of '82, and it wasn't very windy.

[freowho]

The best way to create strategy is with the green complex and having the greens firm. People often think the speed and firmness of the greens are the same thing but they are quite different. There are some courses now being built completely without bunkers. No lost balls, no really high scores, no slow play, yet still difficult to get to the hole. They specifically reward the player who takes the correct line and the correct line can be changed each day just by moving the flag or the tees. Distance is only an advantage if you play the correct line.

Bunker design has also improved a lot. You would often have a flat green and a really steep faced bunker was considered the penalty for missing the green. The strong and skilled player can still place the ball next to the hole easily while the poor player literally couldn't get out of the bunker. A better design is to have a sloped face on the bunker but also a sloped edge to the green so the ball runs when it lands. Most players can now get out of this bunker and few can get near the flag which is as it should be if you have played to the wrong side of the green. The good player still has the advantage of being able to place the ball closer to the hole than the bad player but an up and down is not a given.

Fairway bunkers designed to trap a specific category of player is a poor idea because the goal posts keeps moving. Fairway bunkers designed for specific parts of the hole to create an overall strategy are fine. Bunkers on the old links courses were literally created by sheep sheltering from the wind and greens and pins would often be placed behind them to create more of a challenge.

[golfer07840]

Yeah, I knew the year ended with a 2 :)