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Seems like the prototype is a pretty clear winner... Does it feel as good as it performs?

As of  10/11/2021

9 Callaway Mavrk Sub Zero with Ventus Black 7X

13 Degree Srixon 3 wood Project X Black 6.5

19 Degree Sub70 939 Pro with Proforce V2

4 Utility Sub70 699u 22 degree Proforce V2

5-GW Srixon Zx5 with Project X 6.5

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Ha! Yes, it’s time to start putting funds away. The 2020 low spin thread may slow down before it ever gets going as the secret proto went Mike Tyson on the other shafts. Looking at the swing speeds it seems it would be counterbalanced. I would think it would be an Orange AV 2.0 but saw where JT said there is no Orange AV 2.0 as of now.

Is the White AV 2.0 using boron or MR70 in the tip like the previous Pro models or is it a new material?

Titleist TSR3 8* - AD XC 6x
Titleist TSR3 13.5 (14.25*)- AD XC 7x
Apex UW 19* - Ventus Blue 7x tipped 1.5"
Srixon Zx5/7 combo set 4-PW - KBS $-Taper 125 HT
RTX6 50 mid, 54 mid, 60 low / S400

Cameron Golo N5, Cameron Phantom X 7 custom knuckle, Spider X center

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hmm... I didn’t get along with the counterbalanced hazardous shaft, so this might be a bad fit for me...

only time will tell...

As of  10/11/2021

9 Callaway Mavrk Sub Zero with Ventus Black 7X

13 Degree Srixon 3 wood Project X Black 6.5

19 Degree Sub70 939 Pro with Proforce V2

4 Utility Sub70 699u 22 degree Proforce V2

5-GW Srixon Zx5 with Project X 6.5

Sub70 286 54

Sub70 JB Low Bounce 58

SeeMore milled Tri-Mallet fit and built at SeeMore 

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sounds like it’s time to start embezzling household funds...

As of  10/11/2021

9 Callaway Mavrk Sub Zero with Ventus Black 7X

13 Degree Srixon 3 wood Project X Black 6.5

19 Degree Sub70 939 Pro with Proforce V2

4 Utility Sub70 699u 22 degree Proforce V2

5-GW Srixon Zx5 with Project X 6.5

Sub70 286 54

Sub70 JB Low Bounce 58

SeeMore milled Tri-Mallet fit and built at SeeMore 

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I can safely say it's going to be one of those shafts that stays on tour and isn't ever released as a retail product. Along the lines of V2 orange or Synergy Black. True legends that you just never see for sale because nobody ever gets rid of them. We can already say that availability is going to be very limited. Once I know firm pricing, I'll put up a pre order on them. I'd say look for it in a week or two.

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Bummer it's going to be so limited! Hopefully the tech makes it into a full release!

As of  10/11/2021

9 Callaway Mavrk Sub Zero with Ventus Black 7X

13 Degree Srixon 3 wood Project X Black 6.5

19 Degree Sub70 939 Pro with Proforce V2

4 Utility Sub70 699u 22 degree Proforce V2

5-GW Srixon Zx5 with Project X 6.5

Sub70 286 54

Sub70 JB Low Bounce 58

SeeMore milled Tri-Mallet fit and built at SeeMore 

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Limited availability is the worst thing we can hear from a seller's perspective. I'd much rather we have thousands available so that everyone who wanted it could have it. Unfortunately not the case in this instance. If you'd like anything Fujikura, True Temper, Mitsubishi, TPT, or Aldila, we carry all these brands in all models and flexes. I also think you are going to see as we get into lower speeds, there are many better player options readily available retail. These protos are meant for high speed or high load players needed to keep spin way down. The modern Tour pro brings it 170-190 ball speed, meaning many of these shafts are not for everyone, which is why they stay Tour only.

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To quote the Chasing Scratch podcast quoting Good Will Hunting... it's not your fault. it's not your fault.

I'll be curious to see what happens when it's no longer a secret prototype! I'm working on some swing changes and adding speed, so once I break 120, I'll need a new shaft.

As of  10/11/2021

9 Callaway Mavrk Sub Zero with Ventus Black 7X

13 Degree Srixon 3 wood Project X Black 6.5

19 Degree Sub70 939 Pro with Proforce V2

4 Utility Sub70 699u 22 degree Proforce V2

5-GW Srixon Zx5 with Project X 6.5

Sub70 286 54

Sub70 JB Low Bounce 58

SeeMore milled Tri-Mallet fit and built at SeeMore 

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They name them tour only for that reason and also because it brings another $75-100 on price tag haha ;-)

Titleist TSR3 8* / Fuji Ventus Black TR 6X               

Titleist TSR2+ / Fuji Ventus Black TR 7X               

Callaway UW / Fuji Ventu Black 8X

Edel SMS iron 4-5 / DG TI X100 /////  SMS PRO irons 6-PW / DG TI X100

Edel SMS 50V, 54T, 60T / DG TI S400/ BGT ZNE 130

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How does the white compare to the silver?

As of  10/11/2021

9 Callaway Mavrk Sub Zero with Ventus Black 7X

13 Degree Srixon 3 wood Project X Black 6.5

19 Degree Sub70 939 Pro with Proforce V2

4 Utility Sub70 699u 22 degree Proforce V2

5-GW Srixon Zx5 with Project X 6.5

Sub70 286 54

Sub70 JB Low Bounce 58

SeeMore milled Tri-Mallet fit and built at SeeMore 

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@TollBros How much of a difference between the Tensei AV Orange X and TX is there? I am someone who can swing it 112-113mph, but I'm currently going through some swing changes and am hovering in the 106-107mph range while I get acclimated to some new moves; I fully expect to be back to the 112+ range in a month or two. Is the X a better choice, is the TX, or is it really splitting hairs? Right now, I play an Oban Kiyoshi Tour Limited 70 O5 flex at 44.5" and I rotate in an Atmos TS Black 7X at 44.5". I prefer the smoothness of the Oban, but I feel like when the stars align, I get much more out of the Atmos.

Driver: TaylorMade SIM 8* (standard setting) with MCA Tensei AV Raw Orange 75TX at 44.5"
3W: TaylorMade M5 15* (standard setting) with Oban Devotion 8 O5 at 42"
Hybrid: PXG Gen 2 0317X 19* (standard setting) with Oban Kiyoshi Purple Hybrid O5 at 39.5"
4i-9i: Callaway '18 Apex MB's with KBS C-Taper 130X at 1/4" long
46: Callaway JAWS MD5 10S
50: Callaway JAWS MD5 10S
54: Callaway JAWS MD5 8C
58: Callaway JAWS MD5 8W
Putter: Kari Lajosi Custom DD201WB

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Maybe I'm just missing it, but are weights and flex listed for the shafts in the test?

Cobra Aerojet LS 10.5* - Hzrdus Black Gen 4 60 6.5 / Aerojet LS 3 - AD TP 7X / SZ Tour 5 - AD TP 8X / Apex 21 4H - AD IZ 95X / Cobra Tour 5-P, RTX6 50 M KBS $ Taper HT S+ / 56F - KBS 610S / 60M KBS Hi Rev 2.0 S/ White Hot OG #7 CH / Maxfli Tour

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The TX version is essentially the pro version of AV raw. So think of it as similar to the original Tensei line in the X being a base version and the TX being the pro version. The AV raw line is a smoother feeling shaft than the Tensei Pro, so you aren't going to be overwhelmed by it even hovering around 110. Go with the TX if you want lower spin, more control and a higher quality product. I'm not saying the X is a bad shaft, it isn't, but if feel, low spin and maximum dispersion and stability are what you want, go TX. Let me know if I can help you with anything or if you are considering a purchase. I'd be happy to assist.

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All are TX flex. We don't post things like weight, tipping, or detailed specs as those are things we use for fitting customers internally. We do have all this info, as well as tests of a wide variety of players, speeds, swing styles, etc in every weight, tipping, swingweight variations, etc. This is all used to fit our customers. If that's something that interests you, feel free to DM me and we can start the process.

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I will post the smaller blocks from 110 and 105 tonight. I will also have a couple specialty blocks that I will put up.

 

One is a high spin player in the 107-108 range which I think represents a lot of players. The other is a Iong drive competitor that we had on range who gave me permission to post his data. Both should add a little something new to this year's test data for you guys.

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@J13 if i can get my hands on some of tolls' stock to test - i will gladly put them up against the RIPx for you --

i too have been gaming the RIPx since it came out and have to say i love it.
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PING G430 LST / 9* (dialed to 10.5*) / HZRDUS Smoke Green 60 6.5

Dark Speed LS / 3w (dialed to 15.5*) / Denali Blue 70TX

Mizuno Pro 24 Fli-Hi / 3i / HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5
Mizuno Pro 245 / 4-GW / KBS Tour X

SM9 Black / 54,58 / KBS Tour S+

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Odyssey AI-ONE 7CH 35”

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Gio, pretty glad to hear you are liking the RIPx! In talking with you a few times we seem to have similar shafts perform pretty well for us. I have a RIPx 65TX on the way. Just have to figure out tipping

Titleist TSR2 - TPT Nitro 16lo
Taylormade SIM Ti 3w - Tensei 1k Black 85tx
Taylormade SIM Ti 5w - Fujikura Ventus Black 9x

Cobra Tec Hybrid 2 - Kai'li 90tx

Cobra Tec Hybrid 4 - Aldila Tour Black 105tx
Srixon ZX5/ZX& Mkii 5-PW - Project X 6.5

Callaway Jaws Raw 50s, 54s, 58z - BGT ZNE 130

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