irons shafts too weak?

[turbo4door]

Need help with biiiiiig draws

I was fitted back in march at a demo day by a Mizuno rep for my MP-53's. Love the clubs to death.
I was put into KBS Regular flex (I was between S and R) according to the swing optimizer (Sorry, don't remember my swing speeds from that day or know them now either :( )

I have made some recent swing changes since then and am hitting the ball better and further, but I am getting some really big draws (Ok, they're border-line hooks) on good days when I"m hitting things solid. Is this due to the weaker shaft flex and my (hopeful) increase in speed and/or better contact? 8-iron is about 140 yards for me,

I do not have nearly as big a draw with my driver(harrison saga S60 on a 4dx head), rescue (Talamonti Stiff), nor with my wedges (MP-T11's with DG Spinner w+)

Really don't want to reshaft them unless necessary but the iron shots are getting out of hand

[skinny99]

I don't think it is the shafts. A 140yd 8I is not really long. A quality regular steel shaft should be pretty good actually. Did they fit you into a more upright or longer club before and now you may need to go flatter or shorter? Just a thought.

[turbo4door]

No, I have never been a long hitter, not what I mean, I just know before I was borderline between R and S, I went S for feel, he said I could have gone either way. I have picked up about 10 yards over my previous distances.

My wedges are certainly more flat (standard) than my irons (2 upright). Maybe that's it, didn't even think about that affecting the ballflight that much.

[Nessism]

Your swing speed dictates an R shaft for sure, unless you have a super fast tempo and choppy downward move into the ball. I'd check the lie angle using tape on the sole of your clubs and if that checks out, focus on the swing.

[Rockfish]

[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1311805102' post='3429657']
Your swing speed dictates an R shaft for sure, unless you have a super fast tempo and choppy downward move into the ball. I'd check the lie angle using tape on the sole of your clubs and if that checks out, focus on the swing.
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He didn't GIVE a swing speed.

His clubs are 2 up. Sounds like he was fit for lie. And besides, if the clubs were too upright wouldn't that result in a pull more than snap hooks ?

8 iron for 140 ain't long but it ain't short either.

I hit my 8 iron that far and swing 100 with the driver (CLEARLY mid-range of STIFF).

Typically, IF I was given the choice of hitting it a bit shorter but straighter or hitting it longer and crooked (borderline R-S), I'd go with shorter and straighter every time.

I hit stiff shafts in all my clubs. Maybe that would work for the OP too ?

[Russ757]

Just some thoughts as I went through this very issue

1: Is it every club or just the 8
2. If your lie was adjusted, get them rechecked
3. Grips> I have to play midsize-ish or my draw can get ugly
4. Could beflex. See if you can find someone with some stiffs and check em out.

As I said, went through this issue (if you dig through my first build post, our issues sound similar). During a bad round, I asked to hit my partners 710s with C tapers s+ and immediately noticed a reduction in straight to left movement.

I feel your pain, standing over a ball and praying that it goes somewhere in the vicinity your aiming is not fun


One other thought. Arent the 53's part of mizunos fitting cart? If so find one a try out various combos

[knickerbocker]

You may have been fitted for upright based on how you were hitting on the lie board. If you have made changes, that could impact that even if your setup is the same. If you really need standard, an upright club would cause a hook because the heel would dig before the toe which would turn the face of the club. I don't think it is a shaft issue - given your 8 iron distance, R in KBS would make sense to me - maybe a S softstepped.

The increase in distance might not be from increased SS - it might just be from hitting the sweet spot more. The 53s are not all that forgiving to be honest. You need to hit them square or you will lose distance compared to some of other GI offerings out there.

[wyattS]

I agree, buddy. I'm in the 145-150 range with my eight and have always hit S or even X. Like someone said, totally depends on your tempo. If I were him, I would go Stiff, but def get fitted by someone for length and lie. Could also try Stiff graphite or 5.5 Project X's.



e of your clubs and if that checks out, focus on the swing.
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He didn't GIVE a swing speed.

His clubs are 2 up. Sounds like he was fit for lie. And besides, if the clubs were too upright wouldn't that result in a pull more than snap hooks ?

8 iron for 140 ain't long but it ain't short either.

I hit my 8 iron that far and swing 100 with the driver (CLEARLY mid-range of STIFF).

Typically, IF I was given the choice of hitting it a bit shorter but straighter or hitting it longer and crooked (borderline R-S), I'd go with shorter and straighter every time.

I hit stiff shafts in all my clubs. Maybe that would work for the OP too ?
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[Rockfish]

[quote name='knickerbocker' timestamp='1311810681' post='3429869']
You may have been fitted for upright based on how you were hitting on the lie board. If you have made changes, that could impact that even if your setup is the same.[/quote]

That is true/possible. Maybe not likely but certainly possible.


[quote] If you really need standard, [u]an upright club[/u] would cause a hook because the heel would dig before the toe which would turn the face of the club.[/quote]

You know, I always thought that was true too but it has been debunked here on GWRX. The ball starts left of the target line because, IF the toe is off the ground at impact the clubface IS pointing left of the target line.

If the heel of the club ACTUALLY hit the ground BEFORE impact you'd get a FAT shot. Maybe not "very" but a fat shot it would be.

[TLT_Dan]

[quote name='turbo4door' timestamp='1311802059' post='3429545']
No, I have never been a long hitter, not what I mean, I just know before I was borderline between R and S, I went S for feel, he said I could have gone either way. I have picked up about 10 yards over my previous distances.

My wedges are certainly more flat (standard) than my irons (2 upright). Maybe that's it, didn't even think about that affecting the ballflight that much.
[/quote]


I feel you lie angles are too upright. You say that your flatter wedges work well, so I would take a degree or 2 off the irons.

[Nessism]

MP53 has a 38 degree 8 iron. Someone hitting a 38 degree club 140 yards falls into a R range, particularly with Dynamic Gold shafts.

As everyone has already said, check the lie angle. Don't monkey around with guessing, use a lie board and measure. To measure is to know!

[schneck1977]

[quote name='Russ757' timestamp='1311808424' post='3429775']
Just some thoughts as I went through this very issue

1: Is it every club or just the 8
2. If your lie was adjusted, get them rechecked
3. Grips> I have to play midsize-ish or my draw can get ugly
4. Could beflex. See if you can find someone with some stiffs and check em out.

As I said, went through this issue (if you dig through my first build post, our issues sound similar). During a bad round, I asked to hit my partners 710s with C tapers s+ and immediately noticed a reduction in straight to left movement.

I feel your pain, standing over a ball and praying that it goes somewhere in the vicinity your aiming is not fun


One other thought. Arent the 53's part of mizunos fitting cart? If so find one a try out various combos
[/quote]

I have and sometimes am still in this same situation. Grips are a big factor on my end. I also find that when the crazy left iron shots show up I am not staying balanced in my swing.
I think you are fine from a flex point.

[Rockfish]

MP53 has a 38 degree 8 iron. Someone hitting a 38 degree club 140 yards falls into a R range, particularly with Dynamic Gold shafts.

As everyone has already said, check the lie angle. Don't monkey around with guessing, use a lie board and measure. To measure is to know!

 

What was that about his swing speed again ? ;)

 

He SHOULD have his SS checked as well but, I don't find myself very unusual, and STIFF works for ME (even WITH a 38* 8 iron :rolleyes:)

[turbo4door]

Thanks for the input everyone.

I have gone to a different setup with this swing and the toe of the irons is up considerably when compared to the wedges at address. I have my hands much lower at address than before. Divots don't seem to be out of the ordinary in terms of depth to one side (not sure if that makes a difference)
I do still get a draw with my wedges, but that has been my natural shot shape and its nowhere near as extreme as it is with my irons. Irons right now are drawing about 20 yards or more sometimes.

I was fitted out of the Mizuno fitting cart by a Mizuno rep on the shaft optimizer and MP-53 heads.
I try not to be too quick. It just sucks because I feel like I am hitting some good shots and just not getting any of the benefit. I miss left constantly and I have a mental block for trying to adjust to it. I don't feel I should have to.

Will give the lie issue a once-over for sure and get my numbers if I can find someplace decent around here. I do remember being around 100 mph with the driver, but again...that was a different swing and quite a while ago.

[lukesmurf59]

try the stiff, or some Project X 6.0's

[Rockfish]

[quote name='turbo4door' timestamp='1311868468' post='3431383']
Thanks for the input everyone.

I have gone to a different setup with this swing and the toe of the irons is up considerably when compared to the wedges at address. I have my hands much lower at address than before. Divots don't seem to be out of the ordinary in terms of depth to one side (not sure if that makes a difference)
I do still get a draw with my wedges, but that has been my natural shot shape and its nowhere near as extreme as it is with my irons. Irons right now are drawing about 20 yards or more sometimes.
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Sounds like you HAVE made a significant change and knickerbocker and DLT are correct.

If that toe doesn't flatten out enough your clubface is pointed LEFT of what you [u]think[/u] is your target line. That will start the shot to the left and if it draws (your natural shot) from there, voila, fore left.

Of course you STILL may need stiff shafts as well.

[pdaero]

I would say go with some stiffs. If you really like the KBS, go with a straight-in stiff. 140 with a Mizzy 8 iron is pretty good, and would seem to fit. Bending them a degree or two flat might help, as well.