Isn't it interesting Hogan and the closest pivoter to him are long drive guys?

[CrashDavis]

Wuddya mean? I'm pretty sure it was a Mac Tommy but I'm not a big club nut I don't really know what happened to it or anything.

[tofur99]

[quote name='CrashDavis' timestamp='1348583689' post='5691945']
I like Quiros more if you're going the STUD route, Woodland has potential but that & $5 'll getcha a small Starbucks.. His turn is good but his connection is just about nonexistent and in turn he hits it miles but his flight isn't very good.
[/quote]

stud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtwH2BRluA

[CrashDavis]

Yup.

Like that left knee position at address a lot, if he'd go aggro with it both ways from there rather than that Mod dead duck stuff he would be freakishly good, but nobody goes aggro with the lower body anymore.. Must be against the law now I guess.

[svsvincenzo]

I'm always analyzing the pros and cons of letting the L ankle lift and get pulled rather than that dead duck legs as you call it.

Why not dead duck legs?

Why yes aggressive legs?

[CrashDavis]

Look at Arnold Palmer or Sam Snead and you tell me, all the Mod guys are terrified of lower body motion, why that is I have no idea but good luck flighting it properly with an aggro move with the legs, ain't never gonna happen.

[Ben Hogan Swing Project]

[quote name='CrashDavis' timestamp='1348842936' post='5710881']
Look at Arnold Palmer or Sam Snead and you tell me, all the Mod guys are terrified of lower body motion, why that is I have no idea but good luck flighting it properly with an aggro move with the legs, ain't never gonna happen.
[/quote]

Crash, what is your abbreviation of "Mod" and "aggro." I don't know all the golfers lingo.

[dairic]

[quote name='Ben Hogan Swing Project' timestamp='1348846525' post='5711363']
[quote name='CrashDavis' timestamp='1348842936' post='5710881']
Look at Arnold Palmer or Sam Snead and you tell me, all the Mod guys are terrified of lower body motion, why that is I have no idea but good luck flighting it properly with an aggro move with the legs, ain't never gonna happen.
[/quote]

Crash, what is your abbreviation of "Mod" and "aggro." I don't know all the golfers lingo.
[/quote]

Aggro: Hyper masculine intense testosterone filled cave man activity. Gorillas are agro

[Ben Hogan Swing Project]

[quote name='dairic' timestamp='1348849718' post='5711855']
[quote name='Ben Hogan Swing Project' timestamp='1348846525' post='5711363']
[quote name='CrashDavis' timestamp='1348842936' post='5710881']
Look at Arnold Palmer or Sam Snead and you tell me, all the Mod guys are terrified of lower body motion, why that is I have no idea but good luck flighting it properly with an aggro move with the legs, ain't never gonna happen.
[/quote]

Crash, what is your abbreviation of "Mod" and "aggro." I don't know all the golfers lingo.
[/quote]

Aggro: Hyper masculine intense testosterone filled cave man activity. Gorillas are agro
[/quote]

My guess of "Mod" is Modern??

I'm gonna tune in to the Ryder cup today and watch some modern caveman activity!

[svsvincenzo]

[quote name='CrashDavis' timestamp='1348842936' post='5710881']
Look at Arnold Palmer or Sam Snead and you tell me, all the Mod guys are terrified of lower body motion, why that is I have no idea but good luck flighting it properly with an aggro move with the legs, ain't never gonna happen.
[/quote]

Why can't an aggressive move with legs flight the ball properly now?

[CrashDavis]

That was spell check gone wild, the aggressive lower body move is the only thing that can flatten out the angle of attack properly and allow you to flight it rather than spray it & hope. My bad, didn't see the typo

[svsvincenzo]

[quote name='CrashDavis' timestamp='1348957361' post='5719049']
That was spell check gone wild, the aggressive lower body move is the only thing that can flatten out the angle of attack properly and allow you to flight it rather than spray it & hope. My bad, didn't see the typo
[/quote]

Lol...yeah, that's what I thought. Just checking. The lower body aggressive is the only way to shallow out the clubhead at impact with a square face that stays square (minimal face closure rate).

[CrashDavis]

I got an itchy trigger with the post button, that's a bad habit but its not like anyone pays attention to reality on an online forum anyway. But my bad definitely

[TeeAce]

[quote name='CrashDavis' timestamp='1348957361' post='5719049']
That was spell check gone wild, the aggressive lower body move is the only thing that can flatten out the angle of attack properly and allow you to flight it rather than spray it & hope. My bad, didn't see the typo
[/quote]

IMO it's more about acceleration. Too aggressive and you loose acceleration at impact area.

[CrashDavis]

Well where exactly am I describing the aggressive action then? What are you accelerating and in what manner? And why do I know you're talking about flashing when I'm not..

[CrashDavis]

And to give you a hint I'm talking about the takeaway and transition at the top

[Staffer]

[quote name='TeeAce' timestamp='1348555093' post='5690631']
It's all in hand speed. We just need to learn how to use our body to speed up the handle, not to speed up the club head.
[/quote]

Now, thats gold.

There is only 2 things a beginner need to worry about...keep the head down, and speed up the handle, not the head.

[MizunoJoe]

[quote name='Staffer' timestamp='1349723087' post='5766383']
[quote name='TeeAce' timestamp='1348555093' post='5690631']
It's all in hand speed. We just need to learn how to use our body to speed up the handle, not to speed up the club head.
[/quote]

Now, thats gold.

There is only 2 things a beginner need to worry about...[b]keep the head down[/b], and speed up the handle, not the head.
[/quote]

Don't you mean "keep the (club) head up" ?

[Staffer]

[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1349806839' post='5771509']
[quote name='Staffer' timestamp='1349723087' post='5766383']
[quote name='TeeAce' timestamp='1348555093' post='5690631']
It's all in hand speed. We just need to learn how to use our body to speed up the handle, not to speed up the club head.
[/quote]

Now, thats gold.

There is only 2 things a beginner need to worry about...[b]keep the head down[/b], and speed up the handle, not the head.
[/quote]

Don't you mean "keep the (club) head up" ?
[/quote]

Well, what I meant was [b]keep the head (the one you put your cap on) down[/b], and speed up the handle (of the club) , not the clubhead.

Hit with the handle and you can have as many right hand as you want, the head will never turn over too early.

[MizunoJoe]

[quote name='Staffer' timestamp='1349894862' post='5777029']
[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1349806839' post='5771509']
[quote name='Staffer' timestamp='1349723087' post='5766383']
[quote name='TeeAce' timestamp='1348555093' post='5690631']
It's all in hand speed. We just need to learn how to use our body to speed up the handle, not to speed up the club head.
[/quote]

Now, thats gold.

There is only 2 things a beginner need to worry about...[b]keep the head down[/b], and speed up the handle, not the head.
[/quote]

Don't you mean "keep the (club) head up" ?
[/quote]

Well, what I meant was [b]keep the head (the one you put your cap on) down[/b], and speed up the handle (of the club) , not the clubhead.

Hit with the handle and you can have as many right hand as you want, the head will never turn over too early.
[/quote]

I wasn't sure - thanks.

[Staffer]

[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1349986506' post='5782267']
[quote name='Staffer' timestamp='1349894862' post='5777029']
[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1349806839' post='5771509']
[quote name='Staffer' timestamp='1349723087' post='5766383']
[quote name='TeeAce' timestamp='1348555093' post='5690631']
It's all in hand speed. We just need to learn how to use our body to speed up the handle, not to speed up the club head.
[/quote]

Now, thats gold.

There is only 2 things a beginner need to worry about...[b]keep the head down[/b], and speed up the handle, not the head.
[/quote]

Don't you mean "keep the (club) head up" ?
[/quote]

Well, what I meant was [b]keep the head (the one you put your cap on) down[/b], and speed up the handle (of the club) , not the clubhead.

Hit with the handle and you can have as many right hand as you want, the head will never turn over too early.
[/quote]

I wasn't sure - thanks.
[/quote]

BTW - how do you mean "keep the clubhead up"?

[MizunoJoe]

Keep it above horizontal, I.e., delay the uncocking as you accelerate the handle.

[Staffer]

[quote name='MizunoJoe' timestamp='1350253490' post='5793561']
Keep it above horizontal, I.e., delay the uncocking as you accelerate the handle.
[/quote]

Ah, OK, well thats a good thing to have in a swing. Trying to accelerate the handle rather than the clubhead should help with that =).

[chrisgilly09]

Keeping an open mind here but...wouldnt trying to accelerate the handle sorta necessitate less L wrist c***? If I have a lot of wrist c*** into say, p6, my right hand is more on the side of the shaft instead of directly behind it so I cant really push against it. I just see those with tiny #2 angles by then need to push the handle to keep the swing going (less #2, more hand speed to compensate)

[MizunoJoe]

[quote name='chrisgilly09' timestamp='1350326919' post='5796967']
Keeping an open mind here but...wouldnt trying to accelerate the handle sorta necessitate less L wrist c***? If I have a lot of wrist c*** into say, p6, my right hand is more on the side of the shaft instead of directly behind it so I cant really push against it. I just see those with tiny #2 angles by then need to push the handle to keep the swing going (less #2, more hand speed to compensate)
[/quote]

You accelerate the handle to release point while maintaining as much wrist **** as possible. After uncocking starts, any force across the shaft you decide to add in order to keep the handle moving through impact, should be perpendicular to the plane of the wrist **** so that it won't interfere with cf uncocking the left wrist.

[chrisgilly09]

Got it, makes sense thank you

[Jobu]

There's one way to lengthen the width of the swing, without changing the club length. Your arms must be connected to your LEFT side, for righties. If the arms, at any point during the downswing release, the body has stalled and the width of the swing narrows. If you draw a line through Hogan's shaft at impact, continue that line to interesect his body, the furthermost point of his torso away from the clubhead marks the end of what he is really swinging. That's like adding 10-15 inches to the length of the club. The left side must not stop rotating, and it will begin to work away from the target at impact. I've been hitting my drives over 350 (310 carry) with a very conscious pivot, limited backswing, and teeing it as high as i can (to flatten the swing). I've always tee'd it low until recently.