Jump to content
2024 Houston Open WITB Photos ×

Ask and you shall receive-The no turn cast drill


Recommended Posts

Just tried this into the net in my backyard with a 7-iron. Two words: pa-pow. Backswing stuff didn't change too much for me because I'm pretty compact already. The downswing though, was unreal. So many thoughts aimed a preventing the flip are passive - hold the angle, lead with the hips, etc etc. Maybe all of that was causing my arms to lag behind the turn. This more active thought led to really solid, powerful impact, carried right through to a nice finish. Can't wait to get to the range and check out real ball flight.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='MadForeIt' timestamp='1382998976' post='8070581']
Sorry for asking a stupid question but this is hands controlled pivot correct?
[/quote]

I would say no.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for answering Monte. Sorry I if misunderstand the term but I thought hands controlled pivot was the body reacting to the movement of the hands. So I'm thinking if you create more space a by product of the cast intent would it not be true?

Or are we just using the same pivot but more synced up with a faster arm speed?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='MadForeIt' timestamp='1382999648' post='8070619']


Or are we just using the same pivot but more synced up with a faster arm speed?
[/quote]

Bingo. The purpose of this drill, as I said in the video, is to get the arms linked up better so the hands are less active at impact.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ok. After reading Monte comments about speeding up the right arm saving my short game all summer seeing this video was like Christmas morning for me. My full swing has no depth and is inside and across the line. This afternoon I was all alone on the course with plenty of balls to hit. The shorter backswing was a little tough for me to get used to. I was about two clubs shorter. I was used to the throw away move so I had no trouble with that. After hitting balls into greens for over a hour using this move I figured I would try some bunker shots. I had a revelation in the bunker that enlightened the move. It felt like i was throwing the weight of the club with my right fore finger at the ball. This gave me perfect ball flight, thin divots, and most of my distance back. This could just work for me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='sco3putt' timestamp='1383002026' post='8070821']
Ok. After reading Monte comments about speeding up the right arm saving my short game all summer seeing this video was like Christmas morning for me. My full swing has no depth and is inside and across the line. This afternoon I was all alone on the course with plenty of balls to hit. The shorter backswing was a little tough for me to get used to. I was about two clubs shorter. I was used to the throw away move so I had no trouble with that. After hitting balls into greens for over a hour using this move I figured I would try some bunker shots. I had a revelation in the bunker that enlightened the move. It felt like i was throwing the weight of the club with my right fore finger at the ball. This gave me perfect ball flight, thin divots, and most of my distance back. This could just work for me.
[/quote]

Nice. This is what I hope for when I post a video. People will take SOME of what I say and personalize it.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='DLiver' timestamp='1383002788' post='8070877']
So Monte what is your opposite advice, for someone that is outside, laid off and too shallow?
[/quote]

Tell you to Be thankful your not steep?

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Great video.

I hit about 30 balls today doing just this and the results were great with irons, but driver seems to need something extra coming through impact or my body would slide towards the target - I hit a lot of pull draws while using the feels with driver. Any thought on driver since the ball is teed and much more forward? Maybe the drill is just for irons?

Many Byron Putters
Scratch Don Whites
Scratch Jeff McCoys
[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/646544-finalists-witb-452013-damascus-byron-scratch-td/page__hl__%20finalist"]WITB Link[/url]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='finalist' timestamp='1383003279' post='8070925']
Great video.

I hit about 30 balls today doing just this and the results were great with irons, but driver seems to need something extra coming through impact or my body would slide towards the target - I hit a lot of pull draws while using the feels with driver. Any thought on driver since the ball is teed and much more forward? Maybe the drill is just for irons?
[/quote]I had the same issue with the driver but found all I had to do was add some weight shift with the cast due to the wider stance.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='scratch72 ' timestamp='1383003734' post='8070967']
[quote name='finalist' timestamp='1383003279' post='8070925']
Great video.

I hit about 30 balls today doing just this and the results were great with irons, but driver seems to need something extra coming through impact or my body would slide towards the target - I hit a lot of pull draws while using the feels with driver. Any thought on driver since the ball is teed and much more forward? Maybe the drill is just for irons?
[/quote]I had the same issue with the driver but found all I had to do was add some weight shift with the cast due to the wider stance.
[/quote]

Yes, I found the same. The lower body easily got out of sync with driver. I would feel a horrible slide toward the target on some driver swings. I figured because the ball is so far forward and teed up the casting portion needs more lower body turn to hit the ball straight. I basically ended up just hitting normal styled drivers, but for irons the ideas are great.

Many Byron Putters
Scratch Don Whites
Scratch Jeff McCoys
[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/646544-finalists-witb-452013-damascus-byron-scratch-td/page__hl__%20finalist"]WITB Link[/url]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is more of an iron feel as I said in the video. Let is bleed into driver with reps, versus active implementation.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1383004632' post='8071033']
This is more of an iron feel as I said in the video. Let is bleed into driver with reps, versus active implementation.
[/quote]

yeah, I find its easy for the shorter clubs.. so r u saying to just practice an put in the reps with the longer clubs? I assume its normal to be crappier with them since the longer the club is the more chance there is to be disconnected somewhere

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='neverunder130' timestamp='1383004732' post='8071041']
[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1383004632' post='8071033']
This is more of an iron feel as I said in the video. Let is bleed into driver with reps, versus active implementation.
[/quote]

yeah, I find its easy for the shorter clubs.. so r u saying to just practice an put in the reps with the longer clubs? I assume its normal to be crappier with them since the longer the club is the more chance there is to be disconnected somewhere
[/quote]

Actively use this feel with shorter and maybe mid clubs and the multiple reps will passively work this feel into your longer clubs.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1383004848' post='8071059']
[quote name='neverunder130' timestamp='1383004732' post='8071041']
[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1383004632' post='8071033']
This is more of an iron feel as I said in the video. Let is bleed into driver with reps, versus active implementation.
[/quote]

yeah, I find its easy for the shorter clubs.. so r u saying to just practice an put in the reps with the longer clubs? I assume its normal to be crappier with them since the longer the club is the more chance there is to be disconnected somewhere
[/quote]

Actively use this feel with shorter and maybe mid clubs and the multiple reps will passively work this feel into your longer clubs.
[/quote]

Thanks Monte. Still need to get a video uploaded to do a lesson with you! Too busy squeezing in rounds of golf before the snow hits lol but its a damn good feeling hitting it further in 5 degree weather than in 30 plus... I always had little wrist set but even in practice swings I can see how much shaft lean an early wrist causes at impact

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1383000286' post='8070673']
[quote name='MadForeIt' timestamp='1382999648' post='8070619']
Or are we just using the same pivot but more synced up with a faster arm speed?
[/quote]

Bingo. The purpose of this drill, as I said in the video, is to get the arms linked up better so the [b]hands are less active[/b] at impact.
[/quote]

Great question and answer. I think this is really important with this drill. At the top, your left hip is naturally closer to the target than your left shoulder and hands. So coming down, your left hip will naturally be leading and be out front and it's vital to speed up the arms and hands and get them to catch up with the left hip. The act of of speeding up the hands from the top reduces their speed coming into impact. This slight slowdown of the hands at impact gets them synched with the left hip and you go through the strike with a corporate, controlled move, everything in lockstep. Monte, does this go along with your thinking on this?

Edit: The difference is Monte is saying cast from the top, get it moving as soon as you can. Of course, we're predisposed to do it just the opposite. Holding the lag actually slows down the arms and hands coming through, the thought of casting early and often speeds everything up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='MadForeIt' timestamp='1382998976' post='8070581']
Sorry for asking a stupid question but this is hands controlled pivot correct?
[/quote]

I don't know how others see this, but I just think this dichotomy is not helpful. The whole system, hands, arms, pivot all have to work together. Sometimes it takes focus on the hands, others on the pivot or arms. But that's just me.

Titlest Tsi2, 10*, GD ADDI 5
Titleist TSi2 16.5 GD ADDI 5

Callaway X-hot pro 3, 4 h
TM P790 5-W, DG 105 R
Vokey SM7 48, 52, 56
Cameron Futura 5W


 
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='wmblake2000' timestamp='1383005374' post='8071087']
[quote name='MadForeIt' timestamp='1382998976' post='8070581']
Sorry for asking a stupid question but this is hands controlled pivot correct?
[/quote]

I don't know how others see this, but I just think this dichotomy is not helpful. The whole system, hands, arms, pivot all have to work together. Sometimes it takes focus on the hands, others on the pivot or arms. But that's just me.
[/quote]

Yes.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='SullGolf' timestamp='1383005531' post='8071105']
Indoors, so only able to try out the backswing feel. I like it. Lately I've been trying to focus on keeping a straighter right arm at the start so I don't let it get behind me. Hard to do though. Focusing purely on the wrist c0ck gets me in a good position there that I wouldn't expect.
[/quote]

Watching the game? My dad was with the Cards in 74 and I was there live when Lou Brock broke Wills' SB record.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='scratch72 ' timestamp='1383006730' post='8071219']
Monte, would you say you don't need to think about lift when you have a later turn and aggressive wrist c0ck the up part of the swing is automatic and the club stays in front of you much easier?
[/quote]

I would say yes to that.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='wmblake2000' timestamp='1382990738' post='8069941']
[quote name='scratch72 ' timestamp='1382990097' post='8069893']
I stopped hitting pulls with this move, I thought holding angle and leaving hands behind would stop my pulls but never did. How can hitting from the top stop pulls to pull hooks?
[/quote]

One of the things I saw on video when I tried this was I created more room as a result without even trying to. [color=#282828]If you have more room to swing, you will tend to be less steep. [/color]
[/quote]

This is very interesting. I discovered the same thing for me as well. Why do you think this is Monte?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Discussion and links to Photos
      Please put any questions or Comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Thorbjorn Olesen - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ben Silverman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jesse Droemer - SoTX PGA Section POY - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      David Lipsky - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Martin Trainer - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Zac Blair - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jacob Bridgeman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Trace Crowe - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Daniel Berger - WITB(very mini) - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Chesson Hadley - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Callum McNeill - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Rhein Gibson - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Patrick Fishburn - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Peter Malnati - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Raul Pereda - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Gary Woodland WITB (New driver, iron shafts) – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Padraig Harrington WITB – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Tom Hoge's custom Cameron - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Piretti putters - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
      • 7 replies
    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 31 replies
    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 15 replies
    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 2 replies
    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies

×
×
  • Create New...