Tom Wishon: The Most Important Fitting Elements for Accuracy

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Thank you

[Kadin 25]

I have been reading/studying Common Sense to Club Fitting and to put it simple...

It is as simple as Common Sense focus on the A factors...brilliant!

[Dom4419]

Thanks for the reply Tom!

just a few clarifications, i don't think that having callaway will make me hit better, i'm sure i'll hit other clubs the same way. It's not cuz of marketing either, it's actually cuz it was my first set, they were my dads old clubs that he passed down to me so they hold a special place for me personally.

I hit mid 90s to mid 100s and i do slice constantly with my D and 3W bu i actually hit every other club pretty well, i rarely top them or ground them. My best clubs are my 3H, 8I and 56deg so everything between that is pretty decent. just need to work on accuracy. I honestly lose between 7-13 shots every round cuz of my slice with the woods. I actually didn't slice at first until my dad told me to change my swing cuz it was "weird" and haven't been able to get back to hitting straight.

And thanks for the contact, him being in peru is fine as it gives me a chance to get lessons and fix my slice so that when he gets back i can get fit from top to bottom.

p.s. great post, learned A LOT!

[Howard_Jones]

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[size=5][sup]Tom, should fitters use a standard lie angle based off one club or go through each individual club to determine its lie angle. I've heard from some people that changing the lie angle in the wedges to match the set isn't necessarily the best thing. Would love to hear your thoughts on this![/sup][/size]
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Technically speaking with the Nth degree of precision in mind, all irons should be dynamically lie tested and then bent to ensure the perfect lie for each iron for the golfer. The reason is because it is very interesting to see how all golfers do not come into the ball with the same posture, same hand position, and same shaft droop for each iron. We golfers can and do swing each iron a little bit differently in terms of how that lie angle travels to impact.

Ask any veteran clubfitter who does lie test for every iron for each golfer and they will tell you if you write down the golfer's final fitted lie specs in order for each iron, rarely will the lies progress in that nice, neat 1* incremental change from iron to iron. ANd that's for a tour player all the way to a 20-something handicapper. That is again because of the fact we golfers do not come into the ball with the same posture, same hand position, and same shaft droop for each different iron.

Now that can be very time consuming, not just for the clubmaker but for the golfer who has to hit each iron 3, 4, 5 times to come up with the conclusion for where to bend each iron. So at the least, we like to see the clubmakers dynamically lie fit every other iron, then extrapolate the lies for the ones in between. This way you can't be very far off for the in between tested irons, and everything works ok. But if you are talking about Mr. Tour Player or scratch to plus handicapper, all irons should be lie fit one at a time.

For us regular golfers, being within 1* of perfect for the lie for the irons is not going to cause any real misdirection problems because we regular golfers will have variations in our posture and hand position from swing to swing. not a huge amount but enough that getting within 1* on all lies from what is perfect is not going to cause problems. At 2* off on the lie, no, this is where it starts to cause some problems.

We also teach the clubmakers that a lie test iron is fine to get a ball park idea where the golfer is going to be. This also finds the situations in which the golfer might have a lie requirement that is too difficult to hit with a 17-4 cast stainless body, so the clubmaker can see if he can find a suitable iron design for the golfer's ability that would be more bendable (431 stainless or a carbon steel). But this is fairly rare because most golfers do fall in between lies that range from 2 flat to 2-3 up, so most iron bodies will be able to be bent for that.

But ideally so everything is as perfect as can be, we teach the clubmakers to go through the whole fitting, deciding on everything in the club for the golfer - head model, lofts, lengths, shaft, total weights, set makeup, swingweights, and grip. Then build the full set with each determined fitting spec and then bring the golfer back for the dynamic lie fitting on the irons as the very last step in the fitting process. This way the effect of the actual lengths, shaft flexes, shaft bend profiles, and swingweight on the final dynamic lie is already there in each iron. If you go with a test iron for lie fitting, it might not be the right length, with the right shaft, the right swingweight so the result of the lie test can then be wrong for the golfer compared to what it will be when he is lie fit with his corectly fit irons.

TOM
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You are right as usual, but there is one thing i would like to ad to it, and thats BALL POSITION
I see this on every Gap and Dispersion tweak, and also on regular fittings.
Many players is NOT constant in where they place the ball in the stance, and then we can forget everything about setting loft or lie correct. The Golf Swing is 3 dimensional, and club specs alone changes it all, but if we now add a variable ball position into it, the mess is complete.

So, whenever a loft or lie tweak is done, MAKE SURE, stance and ball position is correct for THAT club, if not you want be able to make it right.

[FSCMatt]

While it's obvious Mr. Wishon has an absurd punt of knowledge on fitting something that he is also amazing at is ingenuity. I met with a member on here that went out to meet him and get fitted and he showed me some pictures he took that he couldn't post on here and this man is amazing.

The simplicity of the ideas he's created and made, but will never be able to bring to market is amazing and also a shame they'll never come to market.

Edit: Not trying to change the subject, I just wanted to make sure everyone knew that he is an absolute wizard in the golfing industry lol