Connection vs Extension in Followthrough

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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    Not a bad swing there! Crazy how hyper-extended tiger's knee looks when they flip it to left-handed. OUCH!
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  • ej002ej002 Unregistered  5129WRX Points: 3Posts: 5,129 Titanium Tees
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    yeah he looks jammed up, a few set up changes and he could free flow it for sure.
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  • HsteadHstead Members  6347WRX Points: 197Posts: 6,347 Titanium Tees
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    Really cool videos. Notice in the one video when you stop Jr at impact his left arm is almost straight, nothing at all like his baseball swing for the same reasons. His shoulders are about square, hips slightly open, where in baseball everything is going to be facing the pitcher, hips and shoulders, and left arm will be super bent, especially on an inside pitch he is going to turn on.



    Hey KG, now it is the Cincy Flames. Not sure if you have small kids, but the Flames are really good. My sons team has ran up against them and at the 12U level they are the team to beat. We drill Midland now. I heard at 18U though Midland is still the team to beat. My son got to play against a couple of Reds sons too on the Flames which was neat for him.
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    Hstead wrote:


    Really cool videos. Notice in the one video when you stop Jr at impact his left arm is almost straight, nothing at all like his baseball swing for the same reasons. His shoulders are about square, hips slightly open, where in baseball everything is going to be facing the pitcher, hips and shoulders, and left arm will be super bent, especially on an inside pitch he is going to turn on.



    Hey KG, now it is the Cincy Flames. Not sure if you have small kids, but the Flames are really good. My sons team has ran up against them and at the 12U level they are the team to beat. We drill Midland now. I heard at 18U though Midland is still the team to beat. My son got to play against a couple of Reds sons too on the Flames which was neat for him.




    The motions are similar...they are not the same. You'll also find differences between a golf swing and a hockey slapshot. But hockey players are notorious for being able to quickly adapt to golf, and are able to get quite good. I suspect that we'll see a similar situation with baseball position players and golf, as the teaching the body-rotation swing becomes more common place.



    Time marches on. In high school football, Moeller was practically a football dynasty when I was growing up. I heard the mantle got shifted to Colerain and Princeton for awhile. But glad to hear about your son. It's good experience no matter what, or how far he chooses to go in the game. It will give him the confidence to take on other high-level challenges.
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    Love the baseball talk!
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    If I remember correctly, it was Joe Cooper who ran Midland...can't be 100% on the name...anyway I heard that guy was worth like $300 million



    *Scratch that, he ran AABC, bloody **** what was that guys name?
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    If I remember correctly, it was Joe Cooper who ran Midland...can't be 100% on the name...anyway I heard that guy was worth like $300 million



    *Scratch that, he ran AABC, bloody **** what was that guys name?




    Don't quote me, but the name sounds familiar.
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  • TexsportTexsport Members  2348WRX Points: 147Posts: 2,348 Platinum Tees
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    This is the same discussion I had with Slicefixer on WRX 9-10 years ago.



    We were debating the most efficient application of connection, which we both agreed on.



    My contention, coming from a baseball background was that the weight transfer was more lateral than rotary.



    I used George Brett and an infielder's side arm throwing motion. The throwing motion is more similar to the proper connected golf motion because it incorporates a core driven motion with relaxed arms.



    He cited Barry Bonds use of rotary turn power generation.



    We generally agreed that either method would work, but power was the question.



    I finally agreed that lower body rotation was an easier way to add power.



    Tiger Woods evolvement away from a connected right elbow/right hip downswing is the primary cause of his loss of accuracy and some distance over the years. Flipping/throwing the hands thru impact is impossible to time for maximum accuracy. With a stable right side, no flipping is used, and the club face stays square much more reliably.



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    Texsport wrote:


    This is the same discussion I had with Slicefixer on WRX 9-10 years ago.



    We were debating the most efficient application of connection, which we both agreed on.



    My contention, coming from a baseball background was that the weight transfer was more lateral than rotary.



    I used George Brett and an infielder's side arm throwing motion. The throwing motion is more similar to the proper connected golf motion because it incorporates a core driven motion with relaxed arms.



    He cited Barry Bonds use of rotary turn power generation.



    We generally agreed that either method would work, but power was the question.



    I finally agreed that lower body rotation was an easier way to add power.



    Tiger Woods evolvement away from a connected right elbow/right hip downswing is the primary cause of his loss of accuracy and some distance over the years. Flipping/throwing the hands thru impact is impossible to time for maximum accuracy. With a stable right side, no flipping is used, and the club face stays square much more reliably.



    Texsport




    great post sir! Always nice to hear stories about slice!
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  • TexsportTexsport Members  2348WRX Points: 147Posts: 2,348 Platinum Tees
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    Geoff was very helpful and encouraging in helping to improve my action.



    He was a Jimmy Ballard student when he was a playing professional.



    After our discussions and other communications, in 2005, he suggested two backswing things he thought would be useful:



    (1) Stabilize the floating right pivot point and create a little more rotation by pulling the right rear pocket straight behind me.



    (2) If that didn't do it, I might need to add a little clockwise left arm rotation on the backswing.



    Well, the first two swings with #1 went left, but #3,4,5,6,7,8......... We're striped.



    I didn't try #2 much because I think Iauto corrected myself unconsciously.



    I called him and left a message of thanks.





    His message in return is quoted below.....





    "FANTISTIC! I knew one or both would really help you......you experienced exactly what I did 15 years ago, and my only real problems with Ballard's method.........just make a couple of corrections to his standard method....set up better....stabilize the floating right pivot point, and wallah.....you can really hit it.......keep working on it......it'll just get better."



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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    Texsport wrote:


    Geoff was very helpful and encouraging in helping to improve my action.



    He was a Jimmy Ballard student when he was a playing professional.



    After our discussions and other communications, in 2005, he suggested two backswing things he thought would be useful:



    (1) Stabilize the floating right pivot point and create a little more rotation by pulling the right rear pocket straight behind me.



    (2) If that didn't do it, I might need to add a little clockwise left arm rotation on the backswing.



    Well, the first two swings with #1 went left, but #3,4,5,6,7,8......... We're striped.



    I didn't try #2 much because I think Iauto corrected myself unconsciously.



    I called him and left a message of thanks.





    His message in return is quoted below.....





    "FANTISTIC! I knew one or both would really help you......you experienced exactly what I did 15 years ago, and my only real problems with Ballard's method.........just make a couple of corrections to his standard method....set up better....stabilize the floating right pivot point, and wallah.....you can really hit it.......keep working on it......it'll just get better."



    Geoff




    That's really good stuff sir.
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