P53 golf

[Doc420]

Is there any info here about the new club company P53. I tried to find something here but can't, so much for first to know. Looks like they are doing exactly what Scratch is doing but might be better funded.

[Grim]

Found this link

http://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2014/06/25/P53-equipment.html

Interesting. American forged irons because the founder fell in love with Hogan irons

[Doc420]

I saw that, couldn't find there website though. I guess Golfwrx might be a little behind on something for once.

[hollabachgt]

[quote name='Doc420' timestamp='1403810616' post='9584581']
I saw that, couldn't find there website though. I guess Golfwrx might be a little behind on something for once.
[/quote]

Here is their website:

[url="http://www.authenticamericanirons.net/"]http://www.authenticamericanirons.net/[/url]

[Yellow Jacket]

These are going to be $2000 irons:

 

"In keeping with our focus on creating the highest quality, authentic, American-made golf irons, the availability of our inaugural 1/953 Series irons will be limited to a total of 953 clients globally, with a minimum commitment of six irons per client.

 

For those interested in learning more about P53 and the 1/953 Series of hand-crafted, bespoke-ground irons, please complete this form, and it will be our pleasure to include you in future correspondence."

 

 

[RobS14526]

Count me as intrigued!

[easylittle5wood]

They might have beat Scor (making Hogan irons for perry Ellis) to the punch.

I doubt the new Hogans will be American forged, but it's an option. Glad someone has finally done it.

[howeber]

Interesting...

[Sean25rp]

[quote name='RobS14526' timestamp='1403813797' post='9584921']
Count me as intrigued!
[/quote]

Me too! That iron looks great!

[Mikey Town]

[quote name='Yellow Jacket' timestamp='1403812785' post='9584823']
These are going to be $2000 irons:

[/quote]

Yes.

Based on the article linked in Grim's post, the price will be $353 per club, with a 6 club minimum.

[deck]

That's crazy expensive. I'm wondering if the reason for such high pricing a club is that American foundries are more expensive than their Asian counterparts?

They look very nice and I hope they find a niche within the golf industry. Nice to see American made

[Doc420]

[quote name='deck' timestamp='1403822005' post='9585813']
That's crazy expensive. I'm wondering if the reason for such high pricing a club is that American foundries are more expensive than their Asian counterparts?

They look very nice and I hope they find a niche within the golf industry. Nice to see American made
[/quote] That's basically the exact same price for Scratch Tour Dept. I'm curious to see if you will get some of the same types of options like you do with Scratch or if it's going to be a certain design and limited custom options.

[rbhan12]

They said I can play better with blades. Should I play blades?

[Doublebuck]

Interesting Golfwrx post here: http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/494125-hogan-apex-plus-irons-years-made/ on 1999 Hogan Apex +

[rbhan12]

They look gorgeous though. Interesting to see that the muscle is so low on the face.

[easylittle5wood]

That's what I like about GolfWRX, I would have never heard of P53 if it wasn't for the post. Thank you.

Also between this and Mizuno's 35th anniversary edition of the famous TN-87s it seems what's old is new again. And quite frankly I think it is really cool.

[Bob57]

Look like a model of the old MacGregor custom catalog. Can't imagine who is doing the forging since the last legitimate forger was Hoffman that went belly up decades ago with among the last model produced the Titleist 681/T... Their head weight tolerances were pretty bad at the end and their chrome plating was horrible. If they are truly forged in the U.S. I can't imagine what finish they will have as EPA has prevented the existence of a decent chrome plate process in the U.S. The regulations make it impossible to do cost wise.. Wonder what they will do for accurate shafts as dynamic gold didn't exist in those days only dynamic that had weights all over the place..

[NevadaGolfGuy]

There is very small number of decent plating outfits in the US but the do exist...the problem is its almost impossible to get through the red tape to start a new business but the older ones are kind of under the "grandfathered" umbrella, same goes for a true salt nitride,,,some people still do but you will find no one starting new outfits.

[NevadaGolfGuy]

That is a super super interesting website and I hope they do well. I wish I had the money to jump on the client list.

[neilc]

[quote name='NevadaGolfGuy' timestamp='1403841286' post='9587857']
There is very small number of decent plating outfits in the US but the do exist...the problem is its almost impossible to get through the red tape to start a new business but the older ones are kind of under the "grandfathered" umbrella, same goes for a true salt nitride,,,some people still do but you will find no one starting new outfits.
[/quote]

The iron factory so their own plating?

[neilc]

[quote name='Bob57' timestamp='1403837169' post='9587471']
Look like a model of the old MacGregor custom catalog. Can't imagine who is doing the forging since the last legitimate forger was Hoffman that went belly up decades ago with among the last model produced the Titleist 681/T... Their head weight tolerances were pretty bad at the end and their chrome plating was horrible. If they are truly forged in the U.S. I can't imagine what finish they will have as EPA has prevented the existence of a decent chrome plate process in the U.S. The regulations make it impossible to do cost wise.. Wonder what they will do for accurate shafts as dynamic gold didn't exist in those days only dynamic that had weights all over the place..
[/quote]

If the need to have them forged in the Us results is poor quality they can forget it.Why not have Endo do them in Japan/Thailand and have the highest possible quaility

I have heard that the Forging Facility in Thailand is world class.

From raw billet to final forged head and or complete clubs

[Yellow Jacket]

[quote name='neilc' timestamp='1403886581' post='9590693']
[quote name='Bob57' timestamp='1403837169' post='9587471']
Look like a model of the old MacGregor custom catalog. Can't imagine who is doing the forging since the last legitimate forger was Hoffman that went belly up decades ago with among the last model produced the Titleist 681/T... Their head weight tolerances were pretty bad at the end and their chrome plating was horrible. If they are truly forged in the U.S. I can't imagine what finish they will have as EPA has prevented the existence of a decent chrome plate process in the U.S. The regulations make it impossible to do cost wise.. Wonder what they will do for accurate shafts as dynamic gold didn't exist in those days only dynamic that had weights all over the place..
[/quote]

If the need to have them forged in the Us results is poor quality they can forget it.Why not have Endo do them in Japan/Thailand and have the highest possible quaility

I have heard that the Forging Facility in Thailand is world class.

From raw billet to final forged head and or complete clubs
[/quote]
The idea is to have a club fully built in the USA to appeal to nationalism and the idea that it's higher quality.

[ladahl]

I'm posting to "bookmark" a "reply to my post" spot. I'm interested to see how this unfolds.

Cool thread

[Doc420]

[quote name='ladahl' timestamp='1403986791' post='9597845']
I'm posting to "bookmark" a "reply to my post" spot. I'm interested to see how this unfolds.

Cool thread
[/quote] Didn't you play Scratch in the past? P53 seem to be doing about 90% of what Scratch has done. I even think Ari is getting ready to hookup with some US forgings.

[ladahl]

[quote name='Doc420' timestamp='1404000615' post='9598909']
[quote name='ladahl' timestamp='1403986791' post='9597845']
I'm posting to "bookmark" a "reply to my post" spot. I'm interested to see how this unfolds.

Cool thread
[/quote] Didn't you play Scratch in the past? P53 seem to be doing about 90% of what Scratch has done. I even think Ari is getting ready to hookup with some US forgings.
[/quote]
I did. Keep the good news coming!

[tnord]

super interesting. it seems expensive on the face of it, but i could see myself maybe spending the money one day. i mean nice blades are already $1k, and we throw money at useless "junk" in the name of experimentation all the time. why not just get something truly unique and quit hoarding? quality...not quantity.

i don't get why there's so many problems with forging and plating clubs in the US? there's plenty of automotive companies producing forged parts and chrome plated parts here in the US. why are golf clubs any different?

[deck]

[quote name='Yellow Jacket' timestamp='1403887579' post='9590813']
[quote name='neilc' timestamp='1403886581' post='9590693']
[quote name='Bob57' timestamp='1403837169' post='9587471']
Look like a model of the old MacGregor custom catalog. Can't imagine who is doing the forging since the last legitimate forger was Hoffman that went belly up decades ago with among the last model produced the Titleist 681/T... Their head weight tolerances were pretty bad at the end and their chrome plating was horrible. If they are truly forged in the U.S. I can't imagine what finish they will have as EPA has prevented the existence of a decent chrome plate process in the U.S. The regulations make it impossible to do cost wise.. Wonder what they will do for accurate shafts as dynamic gold didn't exist in those days only dynamic that had weights all over the place..
[/quote]

If the need to have them forged in the Us results is poor quality they can forget it.Why not have Endo do them in Japan/Thailand and have the highest possible quaility

I have heard that the Forging Facility in Thailand is world class.

From raw billet to final forged head and or complete clubs
[/quote]
The idea is to have a club fully built in the USA to appeal to nationalism and the idea that it's higher quality.
[/quote]

USA forgings are world class as well. Just cheaper to be done elsewhere I believe is the reason. I could be wayyyyy off though.

[neilc]

[quote name='deck' timestamp='1404015557' post='9600169']
[quote name='Yellow Jacket' timestamp='1403887579' post='9590813']
[quote name='neilc' timestamp='1403886581' post='9590693']
[quote name='Bob57' timestamp='1403837169' post='9587471']
Look like a model of the old MacGregor custom catalog. Can't imagine who is doing the forging since the last legitimate forger was Hoffman that went belly up decades ago with among the last model produced the Titleist 681/T... Their head weight tolerances were pretty bad at the end and their chrome plating was horrible. If they are truly forged in the U.S. I can't imagine what finish they will have as EPA has prevented the existence of a decent chrome plate process in the U.S. The regulations make it impossible to do cost wise.. Wonder what they will do for accurate shafts as dynamic gold didn't exist in those days only dynamic that had weights all over the place..
[/quote]

If the need to have them forged in the Us results is poor quality they can forget it.Why not have Endo do them in Japan/Thailand and have the highest possible quaility

I have heard that the Forging Facility in Thailand is world class.

From raw billet to final forged head and or complete clubs
[/quote]
The idea is to have a club fully built in the USA to appeal to nationalism and the idea that it's higher quality.
[/quote]

USA forgings are world class as well. Just cheaper to be done elsewhere I believe is the reason. I could be wayyyyy off though.
[/quote]

Currently there are no US forgings (golf heads)?

[Grim]

[quote name='neilc' timestamp='1404021291' post='9600447']
[quote name='deck' timestamp='1404015557' post='9600169']
[quote name='Yellow Jacket' timestamp='1403887579' post='9590813']
[quote name='neilc' timestamp='1403886581' post='9590693']
[quote name='Bob57' timestamp='1403837169' post='9587471']
Look like a model of the old MacGregor custom catalog. Can't imagine who is doing the forging since the last legitimate forger was Hoffman that went belly up decades ago with among the last model produced the Titleist 681/T... Their head weight tolerances were pretty bad at the end and their chrome plating was horrible. If they are truly forged in the U.S. I can't imagine what finish they will have as EPA has prevented the existence of a decent chrome plate process in the U.S. The regulations make it impossible to do cost wise.. Wonder what they will do for accurate shafts as dynamic gold didn't exist in those days only dynamic that had weights all over the place..
[/quote]

If the need to have them forged in the Us results is poor quality they can forget it.Why not have Endo do them in Japan/Thailand and have the highest possible quaility

I have heard that the Forging Facility in Thailand is world class.

From raw billet to final forged head and or complete clubs
[/quote]
The idea is to have a club fully built in the USA to appeal to nationalism and the idea that it's higher quality.
[/quote]

USA forgings are world class as well. Just cheaper to be done elsewhere I believe is the reason. I could be wayyyyy off though.
[/quote]

Currently there are no US forgings (golf heads)?
[/quote]

To my knowledge no and hasn't been for a while.

I think the biggest reason, per another thread, is the cost associated with doing this in the states with all the EPA standards and so on.

I will say though that I find it funny that people complain about how crappy the stuff seems to be coming out of China then turn around and claim the same about forgings stateside. It doesn't have to come from Japan to be a good forging. The biggest difference would be QC.

I'm hoping that we see more forgings in the states though I doubt I would like the price tag.

[NoCalHack]

[quote name='hollabachgt' timestamp='1403811311' post='9584651']
[quote name='Doc420' timestamp='1403810616' post='9584581']
I saw that, couldn't find there website though. I guess Golfwrx might be a little behind on something for once.
[/quote]

Here is their website:

[url="http://www.authenticamericanirons.net/"]http://www.authenticamericanirons.net/[/url]
[/quote]


What a stupid web name. p53golf.com isn't available? This guy is supposed to be some business genius?

This company is doomed. The boutique forged blade market it already saturated. Almost zero demand, and no shortage of competition.