I dont understand why tour pros use Vokey PW's, but wrxers don't

[paul1406]

I agree that most sets come with a pitching wedge and cost ways doesn't make sense to add a club you already own, but the ebay set I just purchased is 3-9 iron so a 48 degree SM5. The difference though is playing S400 in my 54 and 61 degree wedges and playing the iron set shaft (Nippon Prototype 2T15) in the PW. I'm hoping to maintain yardage gaps.

[AUTIGER07]

Guess I'm the opposite. I want all my wedges to "match" so I've played a non-set PW since probably 2003. I've only played 2 iron sets over that timeframe and both were ordered without the set PW so it really wasn't a cost issue. Just a personal preference.

[playa]

Modern lofts means most guys would need a set pw and a specialty wedge around the 48 mark. I have always had a strong gw (usually 48 or 50) to cover the gap of the jacked up set pw lofts. I agree with other posters that a big reason pros go for Vokeys is the versatility on less than full swings and chipping around the greens, especially pros who don't play blades. Titleist staff who use AP2s would need more precision in their pw, the AP2 is way too chunky for finesse shots close to the green.

[Gary Gutful]

[quote name='Titleist_242' timestamp='1432352283' post='11612034']
pw is a scoring club,, and like blades I figure more mistakes can be made from a specialty pw vs set pw. And mistakes from that short of range can add up strokes in a hurry.
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+1

[BIG STU]

[quote name='Forged4ever' timestamp='1432386267' post='11612998']
For me, I've never played a club based off of anything beyond how it performed for me on the practice tee and course-

I've only played three brands of wedges in 47 years-

1967-1998, Wilson Staff(Staff Irons from '67-86, Mizzy 1986-Present)
1998-2012, Mizzy
2012-present, SCOR

Though my closest Buds play Vokeys, as do 5/6 Pros who play in the swats(they're all Staffers), I've never really even hit/played them seriously.

I mean, they're another nice wedge.

Yea, 39%(38.8%) of the Tour bois play em, but 61%+ don't-

There are a lot of really nice wedges out there, both cast & forged.

Have a great Holiday weekend My Friends

Golfingly Yours,
Richard
[/quote]Like you I played the same brand of wedges for years mostly Hogan, Macgregor and A Wilson R-90. Then it was Cleveland and then I jumped on the Vokey bandwagon for a few years with the 200 series. I ended up going back to the old Cleveland 588s that I hit for years. Made me wonder instantly why the hell I jumped on the Vokey bandwagon to begin with. To each his own I guess. I could give two hoots less what the guys on tour are playing or anyone else for that matter I play what I like

[VNutz]

Because my set comes with a PW that matches my other irons in loft, shape and how it plays. Also, a Vokey wedge in style is pretty much a blade, where many don't play blade irons. For me, my gap wedge matches my set, and my sand wedge is a Cleveland RTX CB for a bit added forgiveness since I use it primarily for full shots and rarely for chips and sand.

[Forged4ever]

[quote name='BIG STU' timestamp='1432419995' post='11615244']
[quote name='Forged4ever' timestamp='1432386267' post='11612998']
For me, I've never played a club based off of anything beyond how it performed for me on the practice tee and course-

I've only played three brands of wedges in 47 years-

1967-1998, Wilson Staff(Staff Irons from '67-86, Mizzy 1986-Present)
1998-2012, Mizzy
2012-present, SCOR

Though my closest Buds play Vokeys, as do 5/6 Pros who play in the swats(they're all Staffers), I've never really even hit/played them seriously.

I mean, they're another nice wedge.

Yea, 39%(38.8%) of the Tour bois play em, but 61%+ don't-

There are a lot of really nice wedges out there, both cast & forged.

Have a great Holiday weekend My Friends

Golfingly Yours,
Richard
[/quote]Like you I played the same brand of wedges for years mostly Hogan, Macgregor and A Wilson R-90. Then it was Cleveland and then I jumped on the Vokey bandwagon for a few years with the 200 series. I ended up going back to the old Cleveland 588s that I hit for years. Made me wonder instantly why the hell I jumped on the Vokey bandwagon to begin with. To each his own I guess. I could give two hoots less what the guys on tour are playing or anyone else for that matter I play what I like
[/quote]The 588's are a great wedge!!

My Bro plays those and I've hit em and I'd have no problem playin em. Sweet wedges!

I played the R-90 forever-

I hope You, the Mrs. and Maddy have a great Holiday weekend

My Best,
Richard

[jammer59]

The modern set PW is simply too low lofted, long and hot to be the precision club I want inside 115-120 yards. The AW in my set is 49* and flies further but spins less than my ex-PW, MP-52. So I dropped my XR gap wedge and put in a 48* SM5. Now I get the correct gap below my XR PW but a lot more spin and shot options.

[Tex1986]

I trick it up an go

G20 PW
i20 UW
G20 SW
Tour-W 58*

Mostly because I can put a nice smooth swing and fill the 140-120 yd gap with the PW-SW. It doesn't look pretty and sexy like 4 oil can vokeys in the bag, but it gets it done.

[Cwebb]

Some of the guys on tour do this, because they only carry 3 wedges. Such as 48, 54, 60. The traditional wedge PW with a 'decent' loft gives them a versatile club that is like their PW and GW combined in one club

[JustTheTips]

Isn't the bigger question how can all these WRXers uses cast heads in their wedges but if you give them a cast 7 iron, they start blathering about how they need that forged feel:)

[TheHof28]

I currently have a Vokey 45 instead of a PW, but I find that I can't hit as consistently as my short irons, so I ordered a G25 PW to put back in the bag.

[Gauchograd99]

Personally, I use my PW (46 in one set and 47 in the other) as an attack club at 130 yards. I don't use it around the green at all. I have a gap wedge at 50 degrees and a sand wedge at 56 for that work. That said, I prefer to keep the feel, the bounce progression, and the swing weight consistent through the "attack only" clubs. My gap wedge has a different shaft, swing weight, and feels a bit different, but I use it probably 85% around the green (pitching/chipping) and 15% for attacking the pin from 115 yards. When I went looking for a gap wedge I found something that felt closest to what I wanted and hit the numbers I wanted to reach for distance and spin. I also hit some partial shots to see how the ball reacted and felt. Felt good.

Long story short: Why would I take a club out of the set and replace it with something with a different feel, bounce progression, etc. instead of keeping things consistent? If you love your irons and everything works great, why rock the boat and remove a wedge and add a new variable? I see no reason for it.

[RogerinNewZealand]

I am using Ping S58 5,6,7,8,9 irons
And Forged Callaway wedges, high bounce, 50/11 54/11 58/11

Tried the Vokey 48, not enough bounce for me.
I have slowly arrived at this combo since Xmas.

Works for me, and Thats what matters !

[MadGolfer76]

Um...I do. Figured I was too awesome for the regular set matching wedge.

[BIG STU]

[quote name='Cwebb' timestamp='1432428783' post='11615828']
Some of the guys on tour do this, because they only carry 3 wedges. Such as 48, 54, 60. The traditional wedge PW with a 'decent' loft gives them a versatile club that is like their PW and GW combined in one club
[/quote]That is what I do exactly except my middle wedge is a 56* and my 56 an 60 have different bounces. I tried the 4 wedge thing for a while when playing modern lofted clubs and it can confuse things for me on decisions. As some other members have mentioned CB wedges I can't get any feel with them. A lot of players like RP and myself learned to play the game when you only had a few wedge options and carried only 2 wedges. We learned how to utitilize our wedges more because that is all we had to work with. Courses have also changed over the years since folks like us started playing with both grasses and design. The wedge game can be so specialized now. It is whatever works in one's overall game plan as to how you get it done

[Bigmean]

I don't understand why people continue to care what someone with a different set if circumstances, from swing, to preference, to livelihood decisions, plays because just because they do this for a living.

How come no one looks at tour bags and and says "look at every single golf club that is used in all tournaments, by all players.....look at all those different clubs, different wedge and wood combinations, look at all the staffers through the years who have changed brand contracts etc. and they are all being used by pros who can likely be on tour regardless of what brand or pw they play, so if anything what we should learn from tour bags is that basically all clubs and all wood and wedge combinations are good enough to be used professionally".

I don't think I have read that once here.....

[gvogel]

[quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1432467522' post='11617506']
I don't understand why people continue to care what someone with a different set if circumstances, from swing, to preference, to livelihood decisions, plays because just because they do this for a living.

How come no one looks at tour bags and and says "look at every single golf club that is used in all tournaments, by all players.....look at all those different clubs, different wedge and wood combinations, look at all the staffers through the years who have changed brand contracts etc. and they are all being used by pros who can likely be on tour regardless of what brand or pw they play, so if anything what we should learn from tour bags is that basically all clubs and all wood and wedge combinations are good enough to be used professionally".

I don't think I have read that once here.....
[/quote]

And that, my friends, sums up my feelings exactly.

I tried a 46* Vokey Pw for awhile, and discovered that I couldn't hit it as far or as consistently as my AP2 PW. I need the AP2 PW distance to bridge between my 9-iron and 54* SW, so it went back in the bag.

[bladehunter]

[quote name='JustTheTips' timestamp='1432432073' post='11616158']
Isn't the bigger question how can all these WRXers uses cast heads in their wedges but if you give them a cast 7 iron, they start blathering about how they need that forged feel:)
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not to feed that tangent but a cast wedge is usually 8620 carbon....not god knows what mystery metal .... soft is soft..cast or forged... soft is what everyone wants to feel not forged...

[Bigmean]

[quote name='JustTheTips' timestamp='1432432073' post='11616158']
Isn't the bigger question how can all these WRXers uses cast heads in their wedges but if you give them a cast 7 iron, they start blathering about how they need that forged feel:)
[/quote]

I keep it real with only forged wedges


Regarding the PW thing, for YEARS I never carried a PW, I had a 50, 56 and 60. I am way cool 3/4ing a 9 in the 130s and the only real grey area was high 120s where I had to slam my 50 or really really lay off a 9. When I started playing again I started using the set pws and a 52/56. Like everything else, it is pretty irrelevant either way, whatever floats your boat is fine. Today I am playing for first time with a set pw, 50/55/59 getup. I am thinking that this sounds good in theory but who knows...

[PDoN]

My pw is not a wedge, it's a 10 iron. I never use it as a wedge,only as a distance filler.

[titan_90]

I use mine for full shots and don't see the need to replace it. I totally agree with the poster above me, I consider it a 10 iron.

I am considering getting the 850 forged irons all the way to gap wedge. As I use it for full shots a decent amount of the time.

As far as forged in wedges, don't matter to me.

[BIG STU]

[quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1432467522' post='11617506']
I don't understand why people continue to care what someone with a different set if circumstances, from swing, to preference, to livelihood decisions, plays because just because they do this for a living.

How come no one looks at tour bags and and says "look at every single golf club that is used in all tournaments, by all players.....look at all those different clubs, different wedge and wood combinations, look at all the staffers through the years who have changed brand contracts etc. and they are all being used by pros who can likely be on tour regardless of what brand or pw they play, so if anything what we should learn from tour bags is that basically all clubs and all wood and wedge combinations are good enough to be used professionally".

I don't think I have read that once here.....
[/quote]If you really want to see some what is termed "strange " by WRX standards look in some of the bags of the lesser known pros on the Champion's Tour

[j.a.]

I almost destroyed my PW in my previous set so I got a 588 48º to do the job. I really liked it.

Then I got a new set that came with a PW and a AW which I'm currently using. They are more forgiving which is good to me.

[pleadguitar]

My PW is 43 degrees so I currently have a gap and a 48 or 47 would be perfect since right now my first real wedge is a 52. With iron sets getting stronger lofts I do believe we will see more 48 degree wedges in most players bags in the near future.

[jons1]

pros get all kinds of custom wedge work done that isn't available by retail methods. but yes, vokey wedges are great. callaway also makes great wedges.

[DickieThon]

Personally I haven't used a set PW at all since I started playing seriously/competitively about 15 years ago. I could never get comfortable with the look of a set wedge, so I've always used a dedicated 48* wedge as my PW.

[Bigmean]

[quote name='PDoN' timestamp='1432478048' post='11618000']
My pw is not a wedge, it's a 10 iron. I never use it as a wedge,only as a distance filler.
[/quote]

I never thought of it like that, but yes, totally, I never ever use a pw for anything other than the same kinds of swings I would use my 9 or 8 iron with, it is indeed a 10 iron and has nothing in common with how I use my gap and sand wedges.....so honma has been right all along!

[Argonne69]

OK, I have to question the basic premise of the thread. Which pro's play a 46 or 48 Vokey? I played one for years before finally replacing it with my set's PW. However, I don't recall ever seeing a touring pro with a Vokey PW.

[bladehunter]

Tons of them do. Jordan Spieth. Sneedeker, Adam Scott , Rory, fowler , just off the to of me head. ( not all vokey , but their respective brands )