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  1. [quote name='biscuity' date='08 April 2010 - 09:45 PM' timestamp='1270777507' post='2368918'] But you're still forced to guess where the flagstick is in relation to the F/M/B. [/quote] Biscuity, How are things at Augusta this week. Do you personally find the course conditions to fit your playing style? What! You're not playing at the Masters and yet accuracy of 2-4 yards isn't good enough for you?
  2. [quote name='phil75070' date='04 April 2010 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1270403660' post='2359983'] Lasers are supposed to be the ultimate in regard to accuracy. Yet, today, on more than one occasion, two laser users standing side-by-side get a reading to the flag with readings 3-4 yards different. [/quote] Phil, now you're just trying to cause trouble...
  3. Santee, Thanks for the followup response. I think your input about mapping accuracy clearly adds value to this thread. At any rate, I have to make a correction about my original concern with your claim. In my mind, I had read your claim about image warping error as being 30 "yards" not "feet" as you actually indicated. Yes, I will concede that I have witnessed an occasional 10 yard difference between a yardage marker and my GPS. However, I have only seen that possibly on 2 or 3 total holes of the approx 14 courses I've played using my GPS. Typically, my unit reads less than 3 yrds difference between a marker. Whether this error is caused by the image warping that you explained, I don't know, but fortunately it is not that common in my experience. I have a Golf Guru and they do not walk the course, so they must have access to some high quality imagery. Also with Golf Guru you can edit course features very quickly and easily, say for example by walking the perimeter of a green while setting the unit in mapping mode. I fully understand your comments about the general limits and issues with GPS technology. For example one day my unit was off by 40 yards on a course that I play all the time and know the unit is very accurate. A quick glance at the signal bars, showed less than full signal, so something must have been temporarily causing a problem. I power cycled and everything from that point seemed normal. Also in another instance, I was comparing my Golf Guru readings to a cart mounted system. The cart mounted system was dancing around +/- 10 yards over the time that we were waiting for the group in front of us, possibly because we were parked under some trees. While my Golf Guru was rock solid steady, possibly because I was standing in a slightly better view of the sky. But bottom line, and back to your original assertion that GPS is plenty accurate for most golfers, this is something I've been in agreement with all along. We are having some amazing weather here in the North East, so I'm back to the course again today. Cheers Andy
  4. [quote name='Santee' date='03 April 2010 - 10:36 AM' timestamp='1270305360' post='2358262'] ..... If the companies are programming the course layout into the handheld units using aerial photos or other GIS data, their information will not be anywhere near as close as if the course was actually walked. The problem arises from how the aerial data is "stretched" or "warped" to fit ground features. If the course (or some of the holes) are on the outer edges of an aerial photo, the resulting data will not be nearly as accurate as holes nearer to the center point of the aerial photo or data. The only way to get really accurate data from aerials would be to actually fly the course after having set some ground control panels (known points with 3-D cordinates visible in the photos) and derive the data from that exercise. That would be more expensive than having one person walk and map the course, so I don't think any companies are doing this. The bottom line is that, unless the course is actually walked or actually flown, you can be anywhere from 3 to 30' off from what the unit tells you. The internal electronics are similar (for most top-line units). The difference is in how the course layout data is determined and programmed into the unit. ....... [/quote] While I appreciate your expertise, there is a company called Pictometry International that claims accuracy to within something like 4 inches, including elevation with some of their aerial imaging products. Maybe this is what you mean when you say "actually flown?" While I understand what you say about errors from the warping of images, my observation with my own golf gps has not shown this to be a problem.
  5. [quote name='kevcarter ' date='03 April 2010 - 10:50 AM' timestamp='1270306237' post='2358288'] I've been messing around with GolfShot on my iPhone and am thrilled with it. Always within 2 yards of the lasered sprinkler heads on my course. Close enough for me, and so much faster than trying to hit the flag with my laser. I won't look back on my decision to switch... Kevin [/quote] One of my fellow golfers use to carry a range finder and a GPS. One day I noticed that his rangefinder was no longer with him. He basically said the same thing you did. Now he only uses the rangefinder at the driving range and for hunting.
  6. [quote name='bogeys-R-us' date='02 April 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1270232799' post='2356971'] I use a Garmin Approach G5 and so far I've found it to be accurate to within one yard. It's a lot more accurate than I am..... [/quote] LOL... Isn't that the truth! GPS is more accurate than any person in these forums, yet some fret about a yard or two like they are tour pros. If 1 yard made a difference to them from say 150, they'd be playing next week at Augusta.
  7. [quote name='DaveLeeNC' date='31 March 2010 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1270037223' post='2352208'] [quote name='PaulN64007' date='30 March 2010 - 07:27 PM' timestamp='1269991641' post='2351129'] I have the SkyCaddie SG3.5 and I find if very accurate. I've played a few rounds with people that have lasers and the most the SG3.5 has been off is by 2 yards. Most of the time it was right on and if it was off it was just by 1 yard. [/quote] How do you compare a laser measurement to a GPS measurement? Does the SG3.5 have something that is defined and knowable (by the user) to within a yard or two? dave [/quote] DavidLee, that's a good point. How do these folks that claim comparison between laser readings and GPS actually capture and compare the same measurement points?
  8. [quote name='Howie' date='30 March 2010 - 03:54 PM' timestamp='1269978855' post='2350677'] I just read a post on another site suggesting the Skycaddie SG3 is "head and shoulders above the competition" when it comes to accuracy. "Other players want to use the Skycaddie on the back nine after realizing their GPS units are comparatively inaccurate". Any credence to the notion that one GPS product/technology is superior to the others in the accuracy department? Thanks, [/quote] Not my observation in the least. I can tell you that after 72 holes of golf on 4 different courses, I compared my Golf Guru G002 to my two partners SG5 and SG2.5, and all three were were always within a yard or 2 of agreement. I also had the opportunity to compare my Golf Guru to a cart mounted system and the GG updated yardage more quickly and provided a significantly more stable reading than that of the cart mounted system. Golf Guru has a new model coming out that has reported accuracy approaching survey grade, probably overkill, but why not. Bottom line, I think you will find most GPS's have similar accuracy if they leverage WAAS. Most of the accuracy differences are related to mapping quality/precision, which can be done just as well with aerial imagery as "walking the course" and capturing GPS readings.
  9. [quote name='Howie' date='28 March 2010 - 09:07 PM' timestamp='1269824838' post='2346874'] [quote name='Andy L' date='28 March 2010 - 07:51 PM' timestamp='1269823898' post='2346840'] I sent an email to ask the Prez a week or so ago and to my surprise I rec'd a response from Mr. Cornish within about 2 hours of sending it. My email was concerning lack of news on their website, staleness of website content and nothing on the new product front. I was pleased to find out that they are very busy with getting SEVERAL NEW PRODUCTS ready, the first being the G6 which will launch within a couple of months. He acknowledged the stumble with the G4 but feels they've got most of those problems resolved, and the G6 should be much better out of the gate. To me the G6 looks very attractive. It's the size of an iPhone, but about 1mm thicker. It has a bright sunlight readable display, a GPS chip that is even more accurate than the previous models, reportedly approaching "survey grade!" The other thing that is a big deal, is that the G6 will have a battery life that is about the same or better than the G002, which has always been good for 15 plus hours of operation. So if the G6 delivers 15 hours of operation, that will probably be the best in the industry for unit with a nice color display map. He also said that many iPhone accessories will work on the G6 as well. Along with the G6 he also said there is going to be a significant makeover of the website with new functionality and a new release of software. The new product will be rolled out to current customers first and their will be an upgrade program, similar to past programs. I'm watching this one closely, and while I will likely never part with my G002, I may gift it to my son if I jump on the G6. [/quote] Good news and I appreciate the update. From your description this G6 sounds intriguing and if I haven't pulled the trigger on something else in the interim, may give this a hard look (I'm also a G002 owner). Too bad they don't have this ready in time for the beginning of most people's 2010 golf season (or, for that matter, to contend with the SGX from SkyGolf). I don't get the impression the company is big/polished enough to get products to market fast enough to be ahead of the curve. I think whatever their next-gen product might be will ultimately dictate their ability to stay in the market after the G4 debacle. [/quote] [quote name='Adamsguy' date='29 March 2010 - 08:33 AM' timestamp='1269866012' post='2347693'] The GG4 has an update, 4.0.3. There is also a firmware update. I'm not sure what has changed on the update(no note as to what was addressed). The firmware update allows the use of Microsoft Active-sync when using the GG4 utility to download courses or rounds. Keeping GG4 & GG2 owners in the loop as to updates and current company news is an area that needs to be improved upon. I suggested to them an email news letter but never heard back. My GG4 works great, I am using both Golf GPS and Nav. GPS all the time. [/quote] Adamsguy, I agree, Golf Guru's communication to current customers could be better. I understand they are very busy, but just a small periodic update to current customers and a little something on the website would let everyone know they are still alive. I'm glad to hear your GG4 works great. They really are a terrific company, and while the GG4 was somewhat buggy at launch, it seems that they really do follow through on fixes and the finish product is excellent. Also it's great that they provide an upgrade track for current customers. Also, I don't know of any other company that can provide map corrections or new maps as quickly as they do. Others companies talk about months for getting a map, while Golf Guru is a few days. Howie, I agree, their development cycle seems to be out of sync with the golf season, which seems odd to me, but maybe its on purpose. Regards.
  10. [quote name='Howie' date='28 March 2010 - 06:45 PM' timestamp='1269816327' post='2346583'] Any improvement over the last couple of months in terms of communication from the company, AerVu course availability, website accessibility, unit performance, etc.? The big question is GG4 or one of the other color units on the market... the GG2 was pretty good from a value/performance standpoint- I don't (yet?) get the feeling the GG4 measures up. Thoughts? [/quote] I sent an email to ask the Prez a week or so ago and to my surprise I rec'd a response from Mr. Cornish within about 2 hours of sending it. My email was concerning lack of news on their website, staleness of website content and nothing on the new product front. I was pleased to find out that they are very busy with getting SEVERAL NEW PRODUCTS ready, the first being the G6 which will launch within a couple of months. He acknowledged the stumble with the G4 but feels they've got most of those problems resolved, and the G6 should be much better out of the gate. To me the G6 looks very attractive. It's the size of an iPhone, but about 1mm thicker. It has a bright sunlight readable display, a GPS chip that is even more accurate than the previous models, reportedly approaching "survey grade!" The other thing that is a big deal, is that the G6 will have a battery life that is about the same or better than the G002, which has always been good for 15 plus hours of operation. So if the G6 delivers 15 hours of operation, that will probably be the best in the industry for unit with a nice color display map. He also said that many iPhone accessories will work on the G6 as well. Along with the G6 he also said there is going to be a significant makeover of the website with new functionality and a new release of software. The new product will be rolled out to current customers first and their will be an upgrade program, similar to past programs. I'm watching this one closely, and while I will likely never part with my G002, I may gift it to my son if I jump on the G6.
  11. [quote name='Turbs' date='19 May 2009 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1242760788' post='1707082'] = SKYCADDIE, ground mapped! Cheers Turbs! [/quote] What does that have to do with anything? They depend on GPS satellite signals for ground mapping. Whereas mapping using imagery does not require any GPS. More importantly, GPS is too critical in so many commercial and military apps that it will never be allowed to fail.
  12. [quote name='phil75070' date='22 March 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1269306201' post='2334424'] [quote name='TML' date='22 March 2010 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1269276657' post='2333265'] if you are losing strokes from not having survey grade gps, you must be good! [/quote] I think the 2-3 yard accuracy of most of today's GPS devices is more than sufficient for anyone but possibly the pros. However, there are those that insist that anything less accurate than a laser is just not good enough. I think the idea of increased accuracy is more of a way to address and possibly win some of those people over. However, even with SmartGreen/Intelligreen functionality I don't how accurate one can be with a GPS when it comes to distance to the pin. I played a course today that has GPS in the carts. I would never use cart-based GPS systems to evaluate the accuracy of GPS technology. This particular system supposedly gives a distance to the pin but on several holes the pin location as shown on the GPS was 15 feet or more from where the pin had actually been cut! On one hole, the pin was shown on the screen below a ridge while it was actually cut on the tier above. [/quote] I've learned a little more about the Golf Guru G6 and it looks fantastic! It has a bright sunlight readable color touch screen, (similar to iPhone, ~1mm thicker than iPhone). I've also confirmed that they've increased the GPS accuracy over that of the G002/G003, which already were impressively accurate and stable. Also what I find interesting is that for such a bright color screen, they claim that the battery life will be equal to or better than the G002 which has always had plenty of power for 3 18 hole rounds! I think that blows away the current competition! Also, many of the iphone accessories will work on the G6. Additionally I heard that Golf Guru is coming out with a major software update and some great enhancements to their website to coincide with the G6 release. We should know more soon and I will be watching! I would recommend that anyone in the market should wait if possible to check out the new G6 before buying something. Golf Guru has been a great company to deal with and they have superb customer service. For instance on one course I had played, the course had changed their layout the prior year, so the maps from golf guru were set up for the wrong holes. I emailed them with a list of the errors and it was fixed within a day.... AMAZING! They also have a highly comprehensive map database and their maps are of very high quality and detail. Impressively the few maps that I did need to request were always turned around in a few days, not months like other companies. If you can't wait to buy a GPS, then I'd strongly suggest the G002 which can be had for as little at $179 directly from Golf Guru.
  13. [quote name='phil75070' date='22 March 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1269306201' post='2334424'] [quote name='TML' date='22 March 2010 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1269276657' post='2333265'] if you are losing strokes from not having survey grade gps, you must be good! [/quote] I think the 2-3 yard accuracy of most of today's GPS devices is more than sufficient for anyone but possibly the pros. However, there are those that insist that anything less accurate than a laser is just not good enough. I think the idea of increased accuracy is more of a way to address and possibly win some of those people over. However, even with SmartGreen/Intelligreen functionality I don't how accurate one can be with a GPS when it comes to distance to the pin. I played a course today that has GPS in the carts. I would never use cart-based GPS systems to evaluate the accuracy of GPS technology. This particular system supposedly gives a distance to the pin but on several holes the pin location as shown on the GPS was 15 feet or more from where the pin had actually been cut! On one hole, the pin was shown on the screen below a ridge while it was actually cut on the tier above. [/quote] Phil, I agree with you about the cart mounted systems. I had the opportunity to compare my Golf Guru G002 to a cart mounted system, and I will tell you that the G002 was the hands down winner. The yardage updated more quickly, it was closer to the yardage markers and it provided a significantly more stable yardage reading when stationary. I also agree, the whole pin location thing with the cart mounted system is questionable. My preference, like on the G002, is that it's most helpful to have the Smart Green/IntelliGrean distances Far, Center and Near green readings. As far as the survey grade accuracy, it's probably not necessary for anyone but the pro's. But if the survey grade accuracy can help win over a few more laser guys, then it's a good product feature. I'm eager to see what the Golf Guru 6 looks like. Golf Guru has won me over with their superior customer service. The few maps that I needed to request were always turned around in 3-4 days and were accurate and highly detailed.
  14. [quote name='phil75070' date='21 March 2010 - 10:14 AM' timestamp='1269180894' post='2330772'] [quote name='Andy L' date='21 March 2010 - 08:49 AM' timestamp='1269179378' post='2330739'] Phil, I just used my Golf Guru G002 yesterday for the first time since the fall and I still marvel at what a great product it is. It is well built, quality feel, easy to use, plenty of map detail and very accurate. For anyone interested they've got used units starting at $179. I also heard about the new Guru 6 they've got coming out. I'm told it has a similar form factor to an iPhone. [/quote] I heard about that, too, and with accuracy approaching "survey grade"! [/quote] Approaching survey grade... wow that is impressive! I hope they hit a home run with the G6.
  15. Phil, I just used my Golf Guru G002 yesterday for the first time since the fall and I still marvel at what a great product it is. It is well built, quality feel, easy to use, plenty of map detail and very accurate. For anyone interested they've got used units starting at $179. I also heard about the new Guru 6 they've got coming out. I'm told it has a similar form factor to an iPhone.
  16. [quote name='InTheHole' post='2124859' date='Dec 14 2009, 03:10 PM'][quote name='Andy L' post='2105988' date='Dec 5 2009, 06:29 PM']The day I'll give up my phone so I can't check to see if those clouds 30 miles west have lightning in them??? No thanks.[/quote] Get yourself a personal lightning detector- way more reliable. [/quote] I thought about a personal lightning detector a while back, but after seeing the real time local lightning data on mycast ($3/mo on verizon), I never thought about the personal lightning detector again. The maps are real time and very very accurate. The free lightning maps on weatherbug aren't bad either, but no where close to the resolution of mycast.
  17. [quote name='FightingScot93' post='2120444' date='Dec 12 2009, 11:04 AM'][quote name='Andy L' post='2120441' date='Dec 12 2009, 11:02 AM'][quote name='FightingScot93' post='2120428' date='Dec 12 2009, 10:56 AM'][quote name='Tim Delgado' post='2120325' date='Dec 12 2009, 09:52 AM'][quote name='bscinstnct' post='2119800' date='Dec 11 2009, 09:56 PM'][quote name='golfproj71' post='2119701' date='Dec 11 2009, 10:20 PM'][quote name='redfirebird08' post='2119683' date='Dec 11 2009, 10:12 PM'][quote name='golfproj71' post='2119677' date='Dec 11 2009, 09:10 PM']Note to everyone. He's a fake and a phony. He should be thankful that his Father isnt around. He is a loser in my book. That is my opinion on him.[/quote] His dad was a jerk too. [/quote] I could'nt agree more about his Father. But Tiger is embarrasing him, so he would definately kick his Butt for ruining his creation of the Greatest Golfer Ever. My son plays at a 2 handicap at age 14. I would never do to my son what Earl did to him. Maybe Eldrick is being rebelious. They are both JERKS. n [/quote] Earl may have been a jerk, I never knew the man personally. A quick search shows that while he may have been a jerk, the mention of his name should garner a little more respect than just the use of this term. "Woods served two full tours of duty in the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War"]Vietnam War[/url], the second as part of the elite [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Special_Forces"]Green Berets[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Woods#cite_note-ContemporaryAuthors-1"][2][/url][/sup] He was a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Information_School"]Defense Information School[/url] graduate. Near the end of his active duty career, LTC Woods was [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor"]Professor[/url] of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Science"]Military Science[/url] & Tactics, ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_ROTC"]Army ROTC[/url]) at the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_College_of_New_York"]City College of New York[/url]." [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Woods"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Woods[/url] [/quote] Exactly. I can guaranty you one thing, NONE of these absurd "moral jurists" would EVER say this to Tiger's face. But they sure can talk big on a laptop behind a screen name. How pathetic. Tim [/quote] Seriously, what Tiger did isn't that bad. It's not like he crossed a picket line.... [/quote] Are you kidding me!!!? You are comparing what Tiger did to crossing a picket line? That was a joke, right? [/quote] Sarcasm. Turn your meter up. [/quote] LOL I should have read the rest of it.
  18. [quote name='mgranato' post='2120438' date='Dec 12 2009, 11:01 AM']What an odd stance to take. Why would anyone feel "not up to" or "afraid" of telling Tiger anything given the appropriate occasion? What in Tiger's past has given anyone anything to fear from a physical standpoint, which seems to be what you are implying. I can't imagine Tiger being high on anyone's list of physically imposing figures or known bad a$es.[/quote] Careful now, Tiger whipped his driver into the gallery a few weeks back. Regardless, the worse thing that could happen if you'd say something that made him or Stevie to hit you, is that you'd find yourself instantly rich.
  19. [quote name='FightingScot93' post='2120428' date='Dec 12 2009, 10:56 AM'][quote name='Tim Delgado' post='2120325' date='Dec 12 2009, 09:52 AM'][quote name='bscinstnct' post='2119800' date='Dec 11 2009, 09:56 PM'][quote name='golfproj71' post='2119701' date='Dec 11 2009, 10:20 PM'][quote name='redfirebird08' post='2119683' date='Dec 11 2009, 10:12 PM'][quote name='golfproj71' post='2119677' date='Dec 11 2009, 09:10 PM']Note to everyone. He's a fake and a phony. He should be thankful that his Father isnt around. He is a loser in my book. That is my opinion on him.[/quote] His dad was a jerk too. [/quote] I could'nt agree more about his Father. But Tiger is embarrasing him, so he would definately kick his Butt for ruining his creation of the Greatest Golfer Ever. My son plays at a 2 handicap at age 14. I would never do to my son what Earl did to him. Maybe Eldrick is being rebelious. They are both JERKS. n [/quote] Earl may have been a jerk, I never knew the man personally. A quick search shows that while he may have been a jerk, the mention of his name should garner a little more respect than just the use of this term. "Woods served two full tours of duty in the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War"]Vietnam War[/url], the second as part of the elite [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Special_Forces"]Green Berets[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Woods#cite_note-ContemporaryAuthors-1"][2][/url][/sup] He was a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Information_School"]Defense Information School[/url] graduate. Near the end of his active duty career, LTC Woods was [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor"]Professor[/url] of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Science"]Military Science[/url] & Tactics, ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_ROTC"]Army ROTC[/url]) at the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_College_of_New_York"]City College of New York[/url]." [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Woods"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Woods[/url] [/quote] Exactly. I can guaranty you one thing, NONE of these absurd "moral jurists" would EVER say this to Tiger's face. But they sure can talk big on a laptop behind a screen name. How pathetic. Tim [/quote] Seriously, what Tiger did isn't that bad. It's not like he crossed a picket line.... [/quote] Are you kidding me!!!? You are comparing what Tiger did to crossing a picket line? That was a joke, right?
  20. [quote name='joekelli' post='2119734' date='Dec 11 2009, 10:37 PM']Why are golfers held to a higher standard than anyone else? There is cheating going on all over hollywood and no one seems to care, but a golfer cheats on his wife and all hell breaks loose! I just dont get it. I know I like watching Tiger play golf and thats it. What he does in his persenol life is his own buisness. 50% of all marriages end in divorce so why is everyone surprised by all this? This is why celebs should never be role models. you only have a 50/50 chance or less of them being the person you hope they are! Still a Tiger fan(on the course) J.[/quote] Tiger didn't just cheat on his wife... it looks like a grand scheme of deception. He allegedly had a dozen or more bimbos, two of which are porn stars. This is not the kind of squeaky clean image that built a multi-billion dollar industry and got him all those endorsements. His father and his handlers at IMG worked hard to make sure he had a certain image that would sell. Now we know that image was a fraud.
  21. [quote name='Money03' post='2119541' date='Dec 11 2009, 09:07 PM'][quote name='Andy L' post='2119361' date='Dec 11 2009, 07:51 PM']Wonder how long till Nike drops him?[/quote] Never... See Kobe Bryant [/quote] You are comparing apples and oranges. The Golfer demographic will be far harsher on Tiger than the NBA demographic was on Kobe. Tiger WAS in a completely different league than Kobe ever was. Whats gone?....Tag Heuer ads featuring Woods. Tiger missing from Accenture website. No Gillette ads with Tiger. Tigeraide... done. No ads on TV at all that show Tiger.
  22. [quote name='1ftput' post='2119501' date='Dec 11 2009, 08:50 PM']There was golf before Tiger, and there will be golf after Tiger. Comments like your's make me think that golf digest soon will get letters to the editor like: [i]Dear Golf Digest, Now that TW won't play for some months, will my golf balls and clubs still work? My friend said they wouldn't! Thank you! Donny Brennahoper, Florida [/i][/quote] Now that was funny!
  23. Phil's and several others brand just got way more valuable. Wonder how long till Nike drops him? Glad I bought Callaway last year
  24. [quote name='bscinstnct' post='2113780' date='Dec 9 2009, 11:37 AM'][quote name='ej002' post='2113675' date='Dec 9 2009, 10:53 AM'][quote name='designpunk' post='2113662' date='Dec 9 2009, 11:46 AM']You've got it. Welcome to the world of marketing where pretty much everything you see has been created to sell you, the consumer, products.[/quote] That is exactly what we are all saying... his created image is blown. That is exactly why noone is running Tiger Woods ads right now. Marketing him now is a complete waste of money for one, and could even cause a possible back lash in the short term. So I am not sure how you can say that these marketing folks don't care? This right now is affecting their pocket books. That is a fact, or else they would be running his ads. You cannot separate morality here. [/quote] I saw a report that it being off season, there were only a small handfull of ads scheduled with Tiger to run. I think that the way the story is evolving, it does not look like Tiger was having emotionally driven "relationships", rather he appears there may be trangressions with party girls. There is a difference. Initially, there was outrage that there was speculation that he was having an "affair" but it does not look like it. Now, as far as the transgressions go. Even Tiger non-fans would have to admit there is only one woman who has produced anything concrete that at face value seems to establish some contact with him. None of the others is concrete. Just allegations to tabloids which I believe pay for news. Don't know if any of the people were paid in these cases. Just keeping it real. [/quote] Anyone that believes that companies paid Tiger to endorse their products solely based on the fact that he's a great golfer is incredibly naive. The Tiger image and brand transcends far beyond his golf skills, and includes his morality and respect. This is why he got so many endorsements. If allegations are proven to be true and his transgressions include porn stars, you will find that companies will treat him liked damaged goods. The endorsements will go away and may never come back to the current level. My prediction is that Accenture goes next, then maybe Gillette. Nike will hold out for a while, but I think we will see it be reduced significantly. I would imagine they are panicking at Nike. Female golf clothing is big for Nike, and Tigers not too popular with most women right now. I would ask you tiger defenders this... If his endorsements had only to do with his golfing abilities, then why is it that there have been NO TV ads that feature Tiger in the past week (source AC Nielsen)?
  25. [quote name='micha' post='2112852' date='Dec 8 2009, 09:22 PM']Meanwhile my Nike stock is starting to tank. Thanks Tiger. I owe you one. Maybe I'll start your Torrey tournament off with a nice booing when you are introduced on the first tee.[/quote] Now that's funny and I could see that happen. I wonder if he will have his thug caddy next year? If he does it will sure get interesting. Time to get some popcorn.
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