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  1. You are, of course, free to disagree with me. But I don't think you can name anything else in all of sport in which a player stands parallel to the line of play and uses two hands that isn't about speed thru torque and weight shift. It is a position meant for motion and power, and it's no surprise that so many struggle with staying still and just rocking the shoulders with conventional putting. Putting is a precise movement, much less about power than the simple accuracy of rolling the ball down an intended line toward the hole. If "precision" doesn't work for you, then pick yo
  2. The starting point of the Rule of 12 is to figure out which club has a 1:1 ratio of carry to roll on a standard and relatively flat chip, and work from there. Mine is gap wedge, but I imagine that varies from person to person. I have a really hard time off a tight lie with either my 54 or 58; the bounce on those seems to work against chipping, at least for me. They are great for pitch shots; chipping, not so much.
  3. That'll be great. I'm ready to do a fitting, but I'm waiting until Ping and Titleist come out with their new stuff. The i500, at least to me, is like the i5's and the i20's; the best of both worlds between a player's iron and a GI iron. And I have a LOT of confidence in Ping's track record with second-generations of irons.
  4. Man, I hope you're right! I've been using, and love, the i500's, but I was told that there would not be an update of that club at all. That was secondhand from a club pro with a cart account thru his Ping rep, so it sounded pretty reliable, but I hope it wasn't.
  5. The Fosbury analogy is a good one, and another is Pete Gogolak with soccer-style kicking in football. That was equally different, and completely transformative to the way football is played. High school kids now routinely kick 40 and 50 yard field goals, and the NFL has narrowed the goal posts, and now moved the extra point try back because the kickers have gotten to be so good. Dechambeau, btw, putted side saddle for quite a bit of his amateur career. The big surprise to me, and probably all the side saddle guys that saw him go back to it briefly, what his grip; he had his rig
  6. Your examples of javelin throwers, the shot, and tennis players are really helpful; all of those are utilizing torque and rotation and weight shift to create speed; in that regard, they are a lot like the full swing in golf, but nothing at all like putting. I'm pretty sure you are never going to putt side saddle, and that's 100% ok; as I said, I've NEVER been evangelical about this. But maybe as a thought experiment, you could list what you think are the biomechanical advantages of conventional putting. I think I've already listed what I believe are the advantages of side saddle;
  7. I'm a stats freak; always have been, so I've got a mountain of data about my putting both ways. You'll have to take my word for that, but I even make notations when I change putters so that I have some sensible basis of comparison. And yes, I did work REALLY hard at conventional putting; putter fittings, lessons, books, and a TON of practice. I think part of the reason that side saddle always made sense to me is because I was a HS basketball coach for 40 years, and side saddle is so much like shooting free throws, though on a different plane, that it just seemed too easy not to t
  8. For clarification, it is NOT illegal to hold and use a putter, or any other club, perpendicular to the ground. The rule is that the straight part of the shaft must be at a lie angle of no more than 80*, and there is a further qualification that if the head of the putter is made in such a way as to allow the putter to be held and used at more than that, the putter might be non-conforming. I think standard putters are around 71* or so? This was where Dechambeau ran into the Rules when he went back to side saddle a few years ago at the beginning of the PGA season; he was using a put
  9. 1. Absolutely correct. Pelz has been talking about it for years, and Johnny Miller did, too, but you had to be reading a LOT of golf stuff to come across it. 2. Absolutely correct, with the very notable exception of Bobby Grace, who has made several putters specifically for side saddle. But still, you aren't going to walk into Golf Galaxy and see side saddles to try out, even Bobby Grace. For sure, it's a custom, niche market. 3. Absolutely correct, and a deal breaker for most people.
  10. I'm sorry you hear it that way. But I did putt conventionally for 50 years, and with some success, so I sort of know what I'm talking about when I make the comparison. I don't see how guys that have never putted side saddle are able to do that. Perhaps you do. To be clear, in the 6 years I've been putting side saddle, I have NEVER recommended that anybody try it, and I'm doing that now. For it to work, you have to put in some serious practice time at the outset, which most people just are NOT going to do, and you have to be willing to approach it with a "one step back for two s
  11. As I said, a lot of players just freak out when they see somebody putting side saddle. I have my own theories about why that is, but that's another story. Several thoughts: 1. Experimenting with different grips isn't a way of preventing "rotation"; it's trying to take the issue of coordinating two hands into a relatively delicate, precise motion. In that regard, conventional putting is the worst biomechanical position in all of sports for the motion being attempted. Standing parallel to the line of play and using two hands is ALWAYS used to create power thru turn and weight shi
  12. There is a long, long thread on the putter forum about side saddle putting; it might be the foremost discussion of the subject in the world. I've been putting side saddle for 6 years. When I started, I wondered why more people don't do it, but I've answered that question over the years. Players, even really good ones, who try my putter have no idea what they are doing; no idea how to hold the putter, no idea of ball position, no kinesthetic sense of what they are doing. They've seen me putting well, and think it's a magic trick, which it isn't, and they hit a couple of bad putts
  13. My son did this twice, both times at the range. I was told by a really good club guy that this is common for high swing speed players because of the high rubber tees at ranges, which tends to move the strike more toward the heel of the club.
  14. Even though both say Ping on the head, the G400 and the G425 LST are REALLY different clubs; different size, different weighting, and I'm assuming different shafts, though you don't say either the shaft for the G400 or the G425 LST. I think the default miss for all of the Ping LST versions has tended to be off to the right, whether a push, a fade, or a slice. I don't know the physics enough to explain that, but it has seemed that way to me. I got fitted to the G30 early on when the G30 LST wasn't out yet, so I tried one later (same shaft, etc.), and I got that same result even t
  15. What you are saying doesn't cause "trepidation" at all. Just disagreement. You have referred repeatedly to "data" that you've accumulated, and I'd love to see how you have gone about that. If you shoot 79 on Tuesday with a 2 piece ball and 80 on Wednesday with a 3 piece ball, is that data FOR THE BALL you used? Was the ball the only variable? If you hit an off-center shot with a ball, ANY ball, can you duplicate that exact same shot with a different ball to get "data"? I think we both know the answer to this, and it's EXACTLY why the the way golf balls are tested is
  16. It still comes down to price. There are a VERY few guys here who say, "I'm cheap."; most come up with a reason why they play the ball that they do, even if it's something like saying a particular ball is "forgiving". "I'm cheap." sounds bad, and we don't want to sound bad. As to the marketing, that's about the manufacturers providing the justifications for the consumer, but it still comes down to price. If the Callaway ERC cost $52/doz, how many would your club be selling? Golfers are willing to accept the trade-offs of the ERC in return for the $35 price. And make
  17. If tomorrow morning all golf balls were the same price, by the 4th of July production of two piece Surlyn golf balls would have ceased, and stores would be looking for ways to get them off the shelves. Shortly after that would be the end of the low compression balls. As you say, this is not that difficult of a concept to grasp.
  18. It's mental gymnastics because you are giving 2 piece Surlyn balls attributes that even the marketing departments don't claim. And in the golf world, THAT is hard to do!
  19. Great post. The "answers", remarkably, will the the same old same old. The idea that a cheap golf ball is more "forgiving" on bad shots is quite remarkable. The mental gymnastics that it requires to believe that are Olympic gold quality. I can't think of another argument in all of sport where lesser players claim that they are somehow BETTER OFF with lesser equipment. Not just as good; BETTER! It's just amazing... If any of the claims that are made about the virtues of cheap golf balls were true, I think that some of them would have at least been suspected by the r
  20. Thanks, BigEx, but believe me, I not only chipped really well that exact way for many years, but I've tweaked the setup to try to make it still work; it just doesn't anymore. I used to be really, really good with a 7 iron, but even with a putting stroke and setup, you're still dealing with a leading edge and brushing the turf, and my depth perception problems just screw it up. When I make practice strokes, even trying to make a putting stroke, the club brushes the ground a different place every time, and when I make the real stroke, I get to the ground quicker than I think I'm goi
  21. Thank you; that is exactly the setup tweak I played around with a little bit yesterday.
  22. I'm a broken record, but REKS. I have a pumpkin head myself (7 3/4's fitted caps) and the Slingblades are great, comparable to the Oakley M frames and MUCH bigger than the Flak Jackets. In fact, I think REKS has come out with a SMALLER version of the Slingblade, if that tells you anything about the size of the original. Plus the frames are unbreakable, the lenses change out easier that Oakleys, and they are a fraction of the price.
  23. Ditto; great bag. If you want a bag to use on use on a cart or with a push cart but aren't going to carry, and you want a stand, it's the best on the market.
  24. Ok, I have a question for all of you. Do you use your face on putter from the fringe very much, and if you do, do you make any setup adjustments because of the lower loft? When I started putting face on 6 years ago, I was a good, confident chipper, especially bump-and-run with a 7 iron from the fringes. Then three years ago, I had a partial detachment of the retina in my right eye, followed by a cascade of other issues in that eye, leading to 7 different procedures, plus both glacoma and macular degeneration. The result of all of that since late last year not only have I had ter
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