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raynorfan1

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  1. For club events, we let people over 85 play off the senior tees.
  2. I find it interesting that you can bifurcate the world into golf and other sports, and hold golf out as "simply different"...but can't also understand that The Ryder Cup is...simply different. Sadly, a lot of people here JUST DON'T GET IT. The Ryder Cup is not "The Masters" or other gentlemanly pursuit were yelling and screaming from a distance is not acceptable. An obnoxious fan at The Ryder Cup hollering stupid crap from afar is obviously going to be drowned out by the crowd so who cares? But more to the point -- and here's where you're wrong....THE RYDER CUP IS SIMPLY DIFFERENT. There's an old adage you may have heard: "Golf is a gentleman's game, but the Ryder Cup is different" And the presence of more drunken louts at The Ryder Cup makes it one of the best sporting events in the world. Mind you, The Ryder Cup isn't necessarily better because of these traditions; it's simply that The Ryder Cup is different. Gamesmanship, obnoxiousness and rude fans may not be part of other golf tournaments but those qualities are the very fabric of The Ryder Cup. Let's keep it that way.
  3. Totally untrue. Ben Crenshaw was the consulting architect of record for The Country Club for several years as the club prepared for the event. The course was not only setup but in some cases specifically renovated to create an advantage for the US team. Course selection and setup has always been part of Ryder Cup strategy.
  4. Our range has, I think, 10 hitting bays. Most of the time it's fine, but it's not entirely uncommon that you have two groups warming up at the same time (the on-deck and in-the-hole groups) and the third group is arriving ~20 minutes before their tee time to find not enough slots. It drives me nuts when somebody has set up shop to practice for 3 hours while guys who are getting ready to play have to wait.
  5. I would assume yes. It's a redesign not a renovation, and it's not like that distinction saved the club from bankruptcy.
  6. I would argue that a caddie should feel the same shame if I pick up and carry my bag as if I rake a trap. I'm going to do it if it fits the scenario on the ground...but it shouldn't feel great if you're the caddie.
  7. IMO you guys expect too much from caddies. I blame what you see on TV. I play almost all my rounds with caddies, and I expect them to: (1) carry my bag; (2) offer a second opinion on putt line; (3) be offended when you rake the bunker yourself. I've never found double-bagging to be an issue (assuming two caddies in the group). If the caddies work together and know the course, you should never find yourself waiting on them. Just like marriage...having low expectations keeps everybody happy in the long run.
  8. I feel alone in this...but I vastly prefer a double caddie to a single. Maybe it comes down to what you want...but I don't want a PGA tour experience - I need a guy who will carry my bag so I don't have to, and will help me find balls in the rough. I find the single bag to be a super weird rent-a-friend experience.
  9. I think those would be pretty easy calls for our head pro to make. Augusta is probably about the only 'not going to happen' place...and I don't think Epic Golf Club is going to change that.
  10. https://www.planetgolf.com/rankings/usa/golf-digest-usa-top-100/2015
  11. The members play every day from effectively the same tees that Ouimet played (there are a couple of changes, but nothing really significant). The US Open card from 1913 was 6,245; the members' tees today are 6,357 with most of those yards added on the 16th hole (a par 3). But the "par 4's" of 300 yards or less in 1913 (holes 2, 4, and 6) are still less than 300 yards (only one of them will be used as a Par 4 in 2022). A round anywhere close to par in tournament conditions would be an excellent outcome for a scratch golfer...four of them in a row? Very unlikely.
  12. Not sure where you draw the line - 1860 is pretty far back. But the 1913 US Open was played on a course that is relatively unchanged from today aside from better agronomy. Basically the same length and layout. They played to 304 (12 over par) over 4 days in horrendous conditions. I would be very surprised if a scratch golfer today could put up the same number in the same conditions.
  13. Highland Links was, for a very long time, the only "true" links course recognized in North America. Recently the Cabot and Bandon developments have been added to the list...but HL is considered a considered a "true" links course by the people who care about these things.
  14. Not sure what the maintenance regime is at Torrey Pines, but after big events at our club they almost always core aerate, topdress, and water like crazy. The event puts a lot of stress on the turf, and it gets put basically into hard recovery mode ASAP. The only thing worse than playing US Open conditions is playing a course that's been punched and covered in sand....
  15. IMO this is one of the issues that occasional caddie players have with caddies - you see it on tour, so you expect the caddie to tell you what club to hit. I think it's much more effective for the caddie to provide local knowledge / facts to the golfer and let them do the "analysis" on what to hit. Instead of "this is an 8 iron for you" it's..."this is 150, but it's uphill and with this wind; most guys will take an extra club to get there." If you play with the same caddie all the time, the guy knows your game as well as you do and can legit grab you clubs. At a place like Bandon, where you've had the same caddie for four rounds over three days...that guy can probably also begin to understand what you're going to hit. But it's hilarious when you've just me a guy and you expect him to know what club you want to hit on the second hole.
  16. There's a thing called the "Stagecoach Practice Club" under development in Chapel Hill, NC. Not crazy but probably works best as a private club. https://www.golf-architecture.com/in-progress
  17. I actually think there is some insight there. That rankings reflect the values system of the publication and raters...which might be different from your own. "Their" Top 100 is theirs...but it might not align at all with what you love about golf. And nobody's Top 100 is "wrong"...we all just have different preferences.
  18. Sure. Drop shot Par 3 with a green divided into really three zones. Wind is the overwhelming design element. A lot of people's "stock" 100 yard shot is a towering wedge that spins. You have to decide if that is the right shot - if the wind is in your face, you need a lot more club than that. If the wind is right-to-left you need to aim basically into the ocean. Or do you hit a different shot that might not eat so much wind? The combination of the wind and the front right bunker placement give you a whole bunch of choices about what the best shot is going to be...and choices are the name of the game. You could argue that this is lazy architecture - anybody can build a short Par 3 on a windy spot and call it a day. But that ignores the nuances of bunker placement, water hazard, green location and shape - all of which work really well together in this spot.
  19. First, I agree with you, that the shortcomings of Pasa do exist at some other great courses. Every course has a blemish. The problem is that Pasa has at least these three, plus some others (for example, it's a difficult course to walk). You can't gloss over weaknesses when other courses don't have them. Pasatiempo's best holes put it in great company...but unfortunately, there are some issues with the course overall. There are other courses that have fewer great holes...but also have fewer downsides. To address your argument however, it's ludicrous to say that Pebble has "about the same" amount of OB as Pasatiempo. Honestly, I can't even think of a place at Pebble Beach where OB comes into play, while there are a number of places at Pasatiempo where it's 30 yards from the center of the fairway to OB. I would agree that other courses (Olympic and Spyglass as noted) are similarly tight in places - and their rankings reflect that shortcoming. My biggest issue with Pebble is pace of play and the general level of jackassery around the course. IMHO, this is part of "conditioning" - it's a choice made by management that has a negative impact on the quality of the golf experience. But I understand that most of the ratings don't let raters make adjustments for this. It's not to say that Pasatiempo isn't a wonderful golf course. It's just that as you get towards the top 0.3%...there are just that many courses that don't have the same downsides.
  20. For the "Pasatiempo is top 50" crowd...there are sort of 3 issues that I have with the course: (1) The amount of housing / OB that comes into play. If Pasa were on an isolated piece of property, and the houses / OB didn't exist...it would be a much better course. (2) The tightness of 6/7/8. Overall, I think the property is cramped, and that's most obvious in the 6/7/8 stretch. (3) Finishing on a par 3. Call it quirk. Sure. But all things considered, I don't think finishing on a Par 3 is ideal.
  21. To be clear, every course that fits the description "on Long Island, private, and hosted numerous majors" is in the Top 25. Pasa is fine but it's not inappropriately rated at ~100.
  22. FTFY "Customers" when everything's going great..."Owners" when the bills come due...
  23. I would say that probably half of the "complaints" at our club are about the 'intimidating' GM and PGA Pro. It's a common rhetorical question to wonder if they own the club or if we do.
  24. [Equity] clubs encourage members to think like 'owners' because...they are. At our club, there is non-stop banter that some might view as 'complaint', but it's really all in the service of making the club better. There is no 'better' club that any of us could join; we're just trying to make the club be the best that it can be. To address another sidethread...none of these complaints would ever go to the staff. Ever. The club is run by member committee and you can only get anything done through these committees.
  25. This is just not possible or your buddy doesn't understand the system. CV uses the "Chelsea System" to allocate member tee times in the summer and times are allocated to people based on how little they play. Somebody who 'wasn't able' to get a tee time in a given week would be first in line the next week. The only way your buddy *could* get hosed is if his three playing partners play a lot so he's always getting lumped into a high-point group, despite not having any points himself. I had zero issues getting out last year...but I tend to not play at prime times.
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