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  1. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
  2. Looks like he figured out how to get his hands out of the stroke... Happy, er Tony learned to putt! Good on you Tony and great win!
  3. Could we change the name of this thread to "Mizuno Pro 221, 223, 225 Irons" Since Mizuno released a teaser with the nomenclature?
  4. It depends on your ball striking. If you're making solid center of the face contact 80%+ of the time, Blueprints would be my vote. I've hit both (game MP-18 blades) and I actually hit the Blueprints as far as any iron out there, father than AP2 or iBlade actually and with better shot shaping ability. The Blueprint was the only club I've hit in the last 3 years that made me seriously think about buying something not Mizuno MP. In the end, I stuck with Mizuno, but I was tempted for about a week. Honestly there's nothing the Blueprint doesn't do as well or better as my MP-18. In the end it was "devil you know". Why I prefer a blade is the shot feedback. When you miss it just a little, you absolutely know it and know exactly where you've missed it--slightly toe, little thin, little high on the face, etc. It's that shot feedback that helps me unconsciously correct my bad swings and makes me a better player. I really didn't ever hit a slightly thin or toe shot (my typical misses) that would have made the green with a cavity back that missed with a blade. But the shot feedback from blades makes me miss less. Read up on Mr. Miura and why small, forged muscle back blades are the true game improvement clubs!
  5. My (extremely good) local shop said there are no more MP-20 irons to be had. So I don't think you have to make the choice at all, unless someone has some inventory lying around? But if you could buy an MP-20 blade or MMC you would certainly not regret it. My MP-14s are still a perfectly playable and excellent set compared to my MP-18 blades. I don't think there is a bad MP iron out there. And the differences between generations are subtle. I do think my MP-18s are subtly better than the MP-14 and the MP-33s my son is now gaming, but they are more cosmetic than performance differences for the most part.
  6. Exactly. What you see in tour players bags is usually what we see in the US market. Of course, these are strange times, but retro is cool these days and "mizuno pro" was the original nomenclature for which MP is an abbreviation that probably isn't as strong a branding move as actually writing the company's name on the product.
  7. No maybe about it. You are wrong. USGA conforming club pics seriously don't lie. Also Golf magazine ran an article on Rose using them at the Open and had the Mizuno Pro 221/223/225 nomenclature which is also on the USGA site and extremely unlikely to change. I personally like the retro cursive black Mizuno Pro script and the 221 number. Looks cool, IMHO
  8. Because Chris Voshall re-tweeted SMS' pics on his Twitter account. Can't get better confirmation this is legit than that!
  9. Me too, which is why I still have the MP-18 blades in the bag as I see you do as well...
  10. It is weaker only in that there is not a consistently dominant star or two like Watson, Nicklaus, Faldo, Phil, or Tiger. But it is far stronger from world top 11-160 than it has ever been--which is why I would say the "weakness" of the world's top 10 is only relative to the far greater strength of field today. I don't think even Tiger or Jack would win double digit majors if they were rookies in 2015. They would still win more than anyone else in their era, I would think, but up through the early 00s there were about 30 guys in a PGA tour event field that could win. Today literally anyone in a standard PGA tour event field can win the tournament. Golf is stronger than it's ever been in terms of the talent and performance of the PGA tour pros, I would say, and here's a first hand observation to support that claim... I played some golf and practiced several times with Ben Curtis (remember him? 2003 Open Champion) back in the late 90's before he went on tour. A marvelous short game and fabulous distance control on his irons. But he didn't hit any farther than I did as a late 30 something, not especially long, 2 hc. I doubt Ben's driver swing speed ever cracked 108 and 250 seemed max carry with a driver on the range for him. This was a couple years before he went on tour. Maybe he got slightly longer on tour. I've practiced many times in the last few years with a 20 something former US AM semifinalist and current Korn Ferry tour player (with Trackman to give precise numbers) who is superior in every facet of the game to Ben (maybe slightly less good a putter, but a guy who can shoot 63-64 in a college tourney on a 7500 yard Arnold Palmer course with rock hard, 13 stimp greens can putt, I assure you, just fine!). And this Korn Ferry tour player had to scramble just to keep his card last year! He carries his driver easily 310+. OK, today we have a better driver, livelier ball, probably. But it's no problem for him to fly a muscle back 5 iron (same type of club/loft as Ben played) 220 and land it in a 25 foot circle over and over and over. If Ben rolled out, on a firm green, a 5 iron 200 yards that was a good shot for him. And he is a major champion. Small sample size, I grant you, but I have no doubt the PGA tour is stronger than it's ever been, top to bottom. Which makes Phil's win an absolutely amazing once in a generation accomplishment!
  11. Precept EV Extra Spin, the original Nick Price mid 90's version. That ball was way ahead of its time. It performed great for me with a Titliest 975D
  12. I played MP-14 for 6 years starting in the 90's. MP-33s for 18 years. And I've had the MP-18 in the bag the last 3. I love the MP-18--and they are getting love from some of the tour guys like Ryan Moore. The MP-18 are slightly smaller than the MP-20 and a straight muscle back. I'm hoping the MP-22 goes back to that profile.
  13. I used to use a putter, but have been playing a lot of TrackMan simulator golf lately and you can't putt from the fringe on TrackMan (well, not as my simulator has it set up). Especially if it's downhill and less than 15 feet, I've found opening up a 56* wedge and just bumping it gives me really good results especially when the greens are running over 10 on the stimp. BTW: you really don't want to miss the green long at Pebble Beach. Very challenging chip when the pin is back--on TrackMan at least. Oh, I'm a -3 hc, pretty good short game. And davep043 makes great points on grass and course condition that I also experience and fully concur with; PepperTurbo makes a great point on how practicing your chipping at home, office, or simulator is the best way to lower your hc!
  14. I've hit the MP-14, MP-29, MP-33, MP-37, MP-68, MP-4, MP-5, MP-18, MP-20. I played the MP-14 for 5 years, MP-33 for 18 years, and MP-18 for the last 3 years--so I'm biased to those 3 models. MP-68, 4, and 5 did not do anything better for me than 33s. The MP-18 got in the bag because of the smaller head size. I actually like the slightly beefier top line and sole of the MP-18 over the 4 and the 20. Honestly though I could play MP-33, MP4, MP-18, or MP-20 quite happily. I just like a smaller head size. I'd say the MP-20 is ever so slightly softer than the other 3 and I can't tell a difference between 33, 18, or 4 feel-wise or performance wise for any of them. I still get out my MP-14s occasionally and they still feel and perform wonderfully well. I have also hit the Ping Blueprint and the 2018 Callaway MB. I love the small head size--to my eye the Callaway and the MP-18 look the same size but I like the shape of the Mizuno ever so slightly better but they both feel wonderfully soft. I actually like the look at address of the Blueprint the best and hit them just as well as any of the others. They don't feel quite as buttery soft as Cally MB or any MP Mizuno to me, but they still feel very soft and perform extremely well. If the Blueprints weren't so expensive they'd tempt me. But I don't like the way they look in the bag as well as the Mizuno and they really don't do anything better performance wise, so that keeps me loyal to Mizuno. Oh, and interestingly enough Ryan Moore a free agent just put a set of MP-18s into his bag when obviously he could have had any of the others...
  15. It stops at 3 wood shaft. Would be nice to see irons, shafts, ball, etc.
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