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[quote name='RJRJRJ' timestamp='1389370329' post='8435153']
I can tell you with almost certainty that if NFL players didn't wear padding, there would be at least one death per game.
My thoughts on this statement are similar to Somaplr, in that I don't know about this.
I played DI football, and as scholarship athletes, we were not allowed to play organized sports without consent from basically, our head coach, especially a non-NCAA governed sport such as rugby(it was a "club" sport). Following my senior season, a few fraternity Bros played rugby, and they said to come on out, as they could always use bodies, lol.
I had never played rugby, though I had been to a few of their matches.
I practiced for a few weeks on the C side and we went to Ohio State to play a four school two-day round robbin tourney. I played fullback on the B side. I was 6'2", and where as I played ILB at 242-244 lbs, I had lost about 12-13lbs since the season(this was the spring season, though they also had a fall season) and was about 230 lbs.
Since I was a child(I started playing tackle at the age of 7yo, and though I don't remember much, having been to a few of my nephew's games, I would hardly call it tackle, LMAO. At the snap, everyone stands up, looks at the guy opposite them, then tries to block/tackle, the RB runs into the back of em, and everyone stands there & the pile sorta moves in slo mo a few yards till the ref blows the whistle, lol), I was tought to tackle with my head up, neck bulled back, and lead with my head/helmet, wrapping and driving through the ball carrier.
This was pre-spearing(1979-1984), and let's just say that LB suited my personality just fine, lol. So I of course tackled this way on the rugby field. And as I was tought in football, I didn't just wrap with my arms, as most rugby players did/do, I exploded through the hit and used my arms as weapons, aiming for your shoulders, neck and head.
I didn't think about it, it was instinct. Well, the coach went crazy cuz the B side was playing the A side and he watched me and as I was moving across the field I could see the play/pattern developing and I picked a winger, slowed a little to let the play develop, then went full tilt, cut inside and met him just as the ball touched his hands. I drove though him, catching him with one arm under his chin and putting my face in his chest and sliding up into his chin.
Well, I broke my nose and he was out cold, LMAO.
And the coach, this little five foot nothing fire hydrant,comes runnin across the field screaming, "this is'nt g*ddamn football, you can't tackle like that. You're ginna kill somebidy."
Now our school had a top 20 club program and went to Nationals two of four years that my fraternity Bro played, and he was a forward, and got invited twice to try out for the USA Eagles, making alternate/substitute his second try out, so he could play. He comes running over and said,"Jamie's(the kid I hit) our best back and we have to go to Ohio State in two weeks. Ya can't tackle like that."
And after having to fight with guys who outweighed me by 30-50 pounds just to get to the ball, to get to run around basically unimpeded, hell, I was in heaven, LMAO.
Now I know that this wasn't like South African rugby, or the nations where their players start playing rugby as I and others started playing football,aschildren, thoughI never once, in 17 years of football, had a coach tell me to hold back or hit so as not to hurt someone. Now understand, my hits were legal. I recieved one spearing call in 3 1/2 years as a starting LB. I wasn't dirty.
Yet, all I heard about rugby was, "Oh, they eat their young," "They're animals," "RUGBY, The Few, The Proud, The Insane," etc., LMAO-
I played that season, starting on the C side, and the last half I was moved to A side as a substitute FB.
I hit and got hit.
For me, football was much tougher.
It's hard to explain, however, on a football field, guys wanted to hurt you. I knew that you wanted to hurt me. And I wanted to hurt you.
There's a difference.
And we played most of the Big 10 teams, so I got to see some pretty good collegiate rugby, along with playing in an elite Invitational at Northwestern University in ChiTown, where UCLA, Cal & Stanford played. And unlike the midwestern schools, who might 2-3 football players, half those Pac 10(at the time) schools had half their starting side comprised of ball players.
And if you watched a game, trust me, you could tell who played ball and who just played rugby, ragardless of skill level.
I'm talkin about attitude.
Most of the guys had no fear. We would run as fast as we could, and regardless of how fast that was, at the moment of impact, we would explode THROUGH the hit, not just hit and wrap. It's like we're running a race, same start line, and you're running 40 yds and I've gotta run 45 yds.
All things being equal, who's gonna be running faster at that 40 yard mark?
I'm talkin the as a rule here, not the exception.
A football player, a quality player, runs THROUGH people, not TO people.
Regarding the NFL, you take away face masks, and you'll see such a change in how guys play, that you wouldn't recognize the game in two years.
Would someone die before that change took place?
Maybe, though I doubt it.
It's that species survival/preservation instinct.
Even the idiots, and I played with a few, lol, would change how the played and you wouldn't see all of these high flyin circus hits.
Well, this is just one guys opinion, and granted I only played one season, however, from my experience, the hardest that I got hit on a rugby field didn't come close to the hits that I gave/took on a football field.
Thanx for reading
Gettin back to golf-
Have a great season
Fairways & Greens My Friends,
Sorry to reply to this as it adds extra pages!
The major difference between football and rugby in terms if hits are the fact that in football the game stops, where as in rugby you have to think if the next play straight away, do you have support, are you isolated, what field position are you? If you know the play is going to stop then you weigh up the situation of if I hit him hard, will I contain him? If that is yes then straight away you do it. In rugby you have to think, if I hit him hard will I contain him, where are the other players if it is a fast ball, should I hold him up and force a turnover if I have some other forwards around me, is he going down at my knees for a purpose?
The other thing is the physical fitness between the two sports which I think has been mentioned before. No defence/offence team, always on the field till your subbed.
Having played professional rugby, but not football, I can't give judgement but there are great hits in both!!