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  1. My in-laws are in NC, maybe I should hit you up next time I'm there to get a proper fitting. I'm starting to feel like I just got played for $150.
  2. I am. I am also 6'6". The fitter said I do not need a shorter shaft. Maybe he is wrong? See you guys being all useful and stuff is proving my point why fitting stinks, you guys are doing a better job virtually than the actual person I paid!! haha
  3. heh, okay. sorry, didn't mean to offer bad advice. for the record, I swing inside to out, apparently (according to trackman). I always thought I swung over the top, so that surprised me. my angle of attack was almost always neutral. occasionally I was -1 and occasionally +1. but I guess that is expected for an average golfer. also my spin numbers were under 3,000 no matter HOW bad the strike. Good strikes were at 2100. LA was varied, but 15 was tops, I think average was 13. again, I would think that makes sense for an average Joe golfer like me, to have varied numbers that is. maybe my fitter sucked, and there is a better driver for me. but it would be hard for me to spend $150 again to find out, know what I mean? that's the only reason I think I gave the advice I did...some fitters are better than others, so if you can semi-fit yourself, you might do as good as a lot of fitters would. and save yourself some money :) also, I don't know what to think on smash factor numbers. I recently read that Adam Scott's smash factor is only 1.43, while Bubba's is 1.55. I forget where I read it. Anyway, if true, then 1.4 isn't all that bad IMO
  4. Trackman was saying 102-106, the big box stores' monitors were saying 110+. I had several smash factors over 1.45, highest was 1.47. I think a higher percentage were around 1.4 though. I am not sure I understand what you mean? I have owned said driver for 6 days, so I would hardly call that fit like a glove. Hence why I mentioned if you know what to look for, you can fit yourself pretty decently in a store, assuming you can find a combo that gets you the LA/spin rates I mentioned above.
  5. The driver I hit the best was the driver I currently own! Waste of money maybe...but the Trackman results were worth some $ amount, I guess. Golf stores had my clubhead speed at 110 or so, in reality I was only swinging 102-106, hell I even had quite a few after I was winded under 100mph. That surprised me. I would assume the golf store monitors are off and not Trackman, but it begs the question, "why?" I will say this to all those who are considering getting fitted...if you can go demo clubs at a Golfsmith or any local indoor place with some type of launch monitor. And you can find a driver that shows a LA of 15 or so, under 3,000rpms spin consistently, and a smash factor around 1.4, you do not need to spend the money on a proper fitting. It's just probably not going to get much better than that. Now, if you're super serious about the game, compete, etc. then it probably is worth getting fitted. But for the average Joe, I really think in-store, personal fitting is the way to go. Hope I saved a couple of guys $100+ :D
  6. I actually bought the darn thing with the Tour X shaft. I do fight a hard fade, I wouldn't call it a slice, but I definitely don't have it at all with this club.
  7. I have been trying new drivers the last few weeks at a PGA Superstore. About a year ago I basically removed wrist/arm/hand lag from the swing entirely because of the inconsistency of a lag swing. I'm basically a self-taught golfer. So in essence I went from a Phil/Bubba to a Stricker/Kuchar type swing. So today I was hitting a Ping at the store and consistently hitting 102-105mph on clubhead swing, but after 30 minutes I was getting tired and sweating, and my swing speed dropped drastically to 96-98. So, for kicks, I thought I would try the ole Bubba lag in my swing again. Still obviously tired and not fit to hit the ball at 100%, my first swing was still 109.8mph. I hit about 30 balls after that, none dipped under 104mph. Smash factor about 1.42 on average (ball speed 150-155). I was literally shocked. So I took it on the course and hit it so well...I had previously bought the LS Tec and could not hit it far at all, but for whatever reason the SF works for me. I'm sure I should have gotten fitted...no doubt. But I will tell you this. I bought impact tape and after a full round, the entire clubface was marked. I am obviously not a consistent striker of the ball. I would expect (and could be wrong) that a fitter would only fit me with the most forgiving driver. I can do that myself? Also, I remember though why I stopped with the laggy swing, and it was because of consistency. But on the round today every club was going so much further...a 6-7 clubhead swing increase is worth finessing I suppose.
  8. I hit this today at the golf store and the launch monitor was showing spin around 2000-2400. I thought the LS Tec was supposed to be the low spinning one? For me that one was well above 2800, and I am generally a high spin player. My Ping Anser spins in the 2700 range.
  9. Solid point. I also am always curious, if you just play golf all the time (or the range), shouldn't you technically get longer? That's exercising and working out the right muscles. Seems kind of backwards logic that bench press makes your swing stronger, I suppose... (but am not sure, really). Running backs in the NFL work out so they don't get hurt when they get hit by a 300lb guy, but running in and of itself makes you better at running than doing leg lifts, right? Just a question.
  10. I am tall and needed the extra 1 inch on my irons, so I got fit to prove this out. But ultimately my ball striking was very inconsistent, which just made the fitter fit me with the most forgiving of clubs. That's likely what will happen with you. Yes, you may hit a top of the line Taylormade blade better than any other club BY FAR when you hit the sweet spot, but yes to the fact that you also may only hit the sweet spot one out of every 10 tries, so a fitter is going to put you with a club that lets you hit in the vicinity of the sweet spot on a more forgiving club that will give you better results consistently.
  11. There is no way clubhead speed and handicap have any sort of correlation. Just because you are flexible and/or strong says nothing about your hand/eye coordination. IMO don't focus on clubs or balls, focus on slowing your swing down until you make solid contact more consistently, and then raise your amperage on the swing. Otherwise you could always get lessons.
  12. I don't know if this logic of mine coming up is right, but I have to think my AoA is between 0 and -5, because I have always struggled with high spin and achieving LA on a 10.5 degree driver barely gets me 10.5 degrees of loft. Also that Total optimizer hints that the more negative your AoA is, the lower your LA should be? Because of my height, I was fitted for +1" irons. I don't increase the length on my driver, but decreasing it may not make sense for my situation? Maybe it increases smash factor, but crouches my stance to the tune of aggressively lowering my clubhead speed. Is that a possibility? Another question is, if you go pay $100 to get fit, will most fitters have popular shafts that are cut shorter that you can try? I've never been to a fitter but I don't think I would expect to see that. Maybe guys in the US that have been fit before can answer that, as I see both of the two experts in here are based in Europe. Thanks again for all the help, some really great reads in this thread.
  13. So apparently playing club fitter is harder than I thought :P Couple of thoughts: 1. Is a 1.4 smash bad? I have read that is actually good for an amateur, and 1.5 is really only attainable for a small percentage of golfers. 2. I was at a golf galaxy so I don't know what electronic system they use specifically 3. Someone mentioned trying a lower loft... While I presume spin would decrease, if my launch angle with the 10.5 is 12, i would assume that a 9.5 loft would produce a LA well below optimal? 4. Ultimately I am not a consistent striker of the ball and I keep thinking the day I go get fit for a driver I'm going to be way off my game and get fitted for a driver that only works on that type of day, so that's why I'm trying to do it myself. I feel like if you spin with the setup I tried today we're sub 3,000, I probably would have bought that driver today...but maybe that would have been foolish Thanks for all the replies, I very much appreciate it. #1 1.4 is BAD but very common, anything below 1.45 is BAD, and NO, its not true that 1.5 is only possible for a short % of golfers, i never let anyone out the door with a average below 1.49, and even if i had a HCP limit of 10, i handled other customers way above that too who had won different prices i put up for tournaments or similar events. #2 i dont know either #3 All else equal (especial impact spot), a player at 105 CS generates 273 Rpms of spin pr degree of loft, while you can expect a difference to launch angle of about 85% of loft difference, so we are not there yet, this is "fine tuning" when ball speed is optimized. Depending on ball speed an target for max Carry or maximized total, we can look at descent angle WHEN ball speed is optimized. PGA players at 113 CS and a average ball speed of 167, and a average of 38* descent angle is close to their optimized carry potential who is just above 40* LPGA players with a average of 94 CS and a ball speed of 140 have a descent of only 35* who is a good descent for optimized TOTAL on this ball speed. That means from your ball speed who should be 155 or above, as descent angle of 38-39 is very good, and then its good to know that 1 degree descent can be added or taken off by a difference of 250 Rpms on spin. If we wants to "stretch carry" we can add spin until descent is 40, and if we wants a lower descent and more roll out, we can take down decent by 1 for each 250 rpm of spin. BUT, this kind of judgement is impossible when PTR value is low, since only 2/8 up or down on that axis for gear effect numbers changes spin by 480 and by that 2 degrees to descent angle. Are you a swing coach or swing fitter? I ask because you say you don't let anyone leave without 1.49 or above, so if you are a fitter the implication is that you can actually find a clubhead or shaft combo that is better for a player re. smash factor? That may be a rhetorical question, but I always assumed a 1.5 smash factor meant you had great hand-eye coordination and can hit the sweet spot every time. I've been playing for 5 years or so and yes, I may need a coach, but in that time I've never had a 1.5 when looking on a monitor. So my hand-eye coordination is not fantastic, at least that is what I have always deduced. I got slightly lost on the decent angle, but that's clearly because you know so much more than I do about this, ha! I did pick up that with a 105 SS I should see 273rpms of spin per angle of launch. Where did those numbers come from? I'm not arguing the validity, but I spent a lot of time today researching "optimal spin rate for 105 clubhead speed" and didn't find much. Regarldess, 273 times 12-13 LA means spin is about 3200-3500, which isn't bad compared to my situation. So how do guys like Bubba have a LA of 18 and 1,200rpm of spin?
  14. BTW that link you have on club face and speed is awesome, Howard...
  15. So apparently playing club fitter is harder than I thought :P Couple of thoughts: 1. Is a 1.4 smash bad? I have read that is actually good for an amateur, and 1.5 is really only attainable for a small percentage of golfers. 2. I was at a golf galaxy so I don't know what electronic system they use specifically 3. Someone mentioned trying a lower loft... While I presume spin would decrease, if my launch angle with the 10.5 is 12, i would assume that a 9.5 loft would produce a LA well below optimal? 4. Ultimately I am not a consistent striker of the ball and I keep thinking the day I go get fit for a driver I'm going to be way off my game and get fitted for a driver that only works on that type of day, so that's why I'm trying to do it myself. I feel like if you spin with the setup I tried today we're sub 3,000, I probably would have bought that driver today...but maybe that would have been foolish Thanks for all the replies, I very much appreciate it.
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