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  1. > @nsxguy said: > > @bladecrusader said: > > I switched from original big Bertha irons to Golden Rams and my GIR went from 23% to 46%. Come at me bro... > > I trust you realize having more than one account on here is against the Rules, right ? Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is GolfWRX. There are rules.
  2. i have it on good authority that ping hired the same team that covered up the jfk assassination, 9/11 and the frozen envelope in the 1985 nba draft to cover up why they won't make a true blade as well as produce the bulk of their marketing materials. ![](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/284/161/856.jpg "")
  3. > @dpb5031 said: > Lots of interesting thoughts and comments expressed here. I think it's good that the conversation has evolved to discuss hybrids, etc. > > I do not agree with the "simplify my bag" crowd. There are different clubs for different purposes, and generally speaking, the vast majority of HC players at any level are hurting their games by keeping long irons (2,3,4...and even 5) in play instead of hybrids. I played in a regional event over the weekend (Fri,Sat,Sun) in the "senior" division (50-60). Lots of good players, most of whom played collegiately and are around scratch + or -, and every one that I saw had at least one hybrid in play. Hardly ever see a 3 iron, though some guys will use one as a driving iron of sorts yet still have at least one hybrid. > > When you play in these things you realize that the best players are the opposite of many of the "posers" on these forums. Their clubs are often mismatched and almost everyone has that "old faithful" that's been in the bag for 10+ years. > > I can instantly think of 3 shots from this weekend's event where had I not had my 4 hybrid and had to use a long iron, the shot would have literally been impossible (for me). On the 18th hole my tee shot ended up in a FW bunker. Good lie, compacted sand, but high bunker lip and 187 to the green over water into a 15+ mph headwind. I was able to pop it on the green and 2 putt from 40 ft. No way I'd be able to pull that off with a 3 iron...literally no way. Another was a downwind par 5 where I was able land it softly on the green from 218 yards to a firm down grain green because of the launch and trajectory that I'd never be able to achieve with a long iron. (For reference, my driver SS is ~107 and i hit my 7 iron 170) > > I truly dont understand why anyone would believe that a hybrid is any more difficult to control directionally than the equivalent long iron. Face angle at impact is face angle at impact. The swing principles are the same. They go through the turf WAY easier, and get the ball in the air much more quickly and with greater ease. > > I also don't think there's much merit to the claims of not having enough practice time to master different types of clubs. Again, the swing required is basically the same for all clubs with the exception of driver because it's on a tee. I literally cannot remember the last time I actually practiced with my hybrids. I typically practice/ warm-up with driver, a mid iron, and a short iron exclusively, yet have no problems with my hybrids on the course. > > Lastly, I will acknowledge that finding the "right" hybrid can be challenging, but more so for the higher swing speed better player than your typical mid cap. For me, although the ability to hit it high is a MAJOR advantage, I also need to know that I can flight it down reliably. I've also found that many of the standard hybrids are designed to prevent a slice, which can make them tough to fade when needed, or avoid over-drawing. I use an 8 year old "Tour" model 4 hybrid for that reason, and my stronger hybrid (Kasco K2K) is literally 20 years old. > > Take it FWIW, but I started the game in my late 20s. My swing is no sight to behold and I'm no pro, but I have won several club championships, county championships and am reasonably competitive in state level comps. I have more in common with you guys who are mid caps trying to get to the next level than I do with pros or high level pedigrees ams who grew up playing this crazy game.... great post! i'm with you on the hybrids. i dont necessarily practice with them but have no issues, in fact, love them, out on the course. it did take a while to find the right ones and i did put steel shafts and cut them to the same length of the iron they replace. i think there is a certain stigma with hybrids that you are somehow "less than" if you use them. i can hit a 3 iron and a 4 iron pretty damn good - but no where near how well i can hit the hybrid equivalents.
  4. > @bladehunter said: > > @wmblake2000 said: > > > @Nessism said: > > > It's alway seems to be the higher cappers using small players clubs and blades that take offence to the suggestion that they may be better served by more GI oriented irons. Almost never the other way around. When I bought my G25's the fitting guy at the store saw me swinging (I was a 7 capper at the time) and asked why I wanted G's instead of i's? I told him I want the forgiveness because my miss is out on the toe and mitigating that is more valuable to my game than the workability of smaller clubs. Mind you my philosophy has changed over the years; when I was younger I played blades and selected clubs based on appearance. It took me a couple of decades of playing to break the "shovel's" prejudice. If someone told me I would benefit from some GI clubs when I was young I would have scoffed. Truth is though, they would have been right. > > > > So... I played a lot of small headed clubs and slowly decided I was kidding myself with my 7-9 index. Got some P790. A step toward GI for me. And the ball ended up sort of near the green but never felt like I hit it solid. So I tested trying to solve it. Maybe lie, maybe shaft. And I concluded nope, I still needed more help. So I tried G410. This, I fully believed, was smarter. I was into it. And tried them over and over. With different lies and different shafts. Still ... never hit the ball flush. In one session, waiting for the fitter, I hit some ping iblades. And immediately started hitting them solid. Now this isn’t about feel. Any ball struck in the middle of the face that compresses feels good enough to me. This was about solid and dispersion. The fitter came, I tried P790 and G410 in all kinds of permutations. Then I mentioned the iblades. Right away, solid contact. This guy theorizes I can’t swing wider soles clubs. I hit the trailing edge on the turf and clubhead twists is his hunch. I don’t hit the ball fat (as per divot or launch monitor) but it sounds and feels fat > > > > So I am trying a MP4. Just 9 holes but I hit more solid shots in 9 holes than I did in 6 months with P790. (And now eye surgery has me on the bench for 2 weeks) This just mind blowing. I have worked too **** hard on my swing to care about the aesthetics. I want birdies and pars. And I have bought plenty of clubs (and sold them) because of how they looked. To decide MP4 is a solid answer isn’t what I expected. But... there it is. > > > > I actually think you and I agree. Performance is the goal. You have to think for yourself to find it. > > > > And... PS. My GI clubs for when my confidence wanes? The Macgregor 1025M I bought from you all those years ago. GI, as per Ralph Maltby! > > > > > > Mr Blake. You are not alone. If we could get people to at lest try thinner soled clubs for themselves , a lot ( not all) would see the same results you do. > > Some people are fine with decent results but never feeling like they hit a solid shot. I can see you aren’t one of them and neither am I. Once the turf gets firm I simply cannot get on with a sole that bounces. You never feel like you hit a pure shot. I totally agree. I just get the feeling of dread when I look down at a tight/firm lie with a wide soled club. It literally makes me thin the ball way more than I should and I just can't get over it. The sole on my ping I e1 is the absolute widest I can go and would be too wide if the trailing edge weren't removed. If you want to call this "turf interaction" then count me was a believer. That "ball is already gone" theory is garbage.
  5. Ping iN 1/2 whack-e. Just grabbed it on a whim, never played a center shafted putter before and it's been a real weapon.
  6. Also, I don't need blades to work the ball. Why use blades and make it easy? I like to know when I don't put the intended swing on the ball by it going STRAIGHT! I gots to have that *feedback*? I have to concentrate *more * with GI clubs to hit my baby draw and butter cut! That way I know I'm getting sloppy if it goes straight!!! Now, doesn't that sound f**king stupid?
  7. > @Nard_S said: > > @gbartko said: > > > @bladehunter said: > > > Awesome thread guys. You’ve got guys in here telling you the truth who have designed some of the irons you’re playing and yet the obligatory “ you don’t need to hit anything but a straight shot” and “ only on Wrx do we have guys playing blades shooting 106 and holding up the course”. With a call to the USga with the “ real” slow play issue. GEt our of here with that noise. If you’re hitting 3 wood from 150 out. You aren’t the topic of this thread. You are looking for the “ so I need a 9 wood or 7 hybrid “ thread. > > > > > > I don’t know who you guys play with. But I’ve played with many 10-12 handicaps who play a shot shape. And play them well. I’ve yet to see this 15 handicap who has g700s and only hits straight laser beams. > > > > i dont think anyone is saying try to hit it straight in spite of your *natural* shot shape. i think the point is "working the ball" is probably pretty low on the list of what mid caps should be doing when attacking pins. imo, a 12 handicap should be more worried about hitting the green than drawing it into a left flag or fading it into a right flag. at a certain level you need to do those things to shoot lower. again, this is just the way i look at it from trying to post the lowest score i can. > > 100% agree, bending ball to flag especially with short iron is highly dubious and low percentage. But where "working" is quite effective is off the tee and placing ball in proper angle to green or steering around or away from trouble. Done right you knock 20 yards off approach shot, then you take natural shape and knock it on. excellent point on the long game aspect of working the ball - i totally missed that and you are dead right.
  8. > @chiva said: > The problem with mid handicappers not being able to work the ball with game improvement irons is simply that mid handicappers generally speaking are not "good" golfers. It's no surprise that they are not able to work the ball. Their skill level is significantly lacking. Is this a surprise? The thing that would benefit the mid handicapper the most is just to try to hit the green period. if they could "work" the ball on demand, they wouldn't be mid cappers, am i right?
  9. > @bladehunter said: > > @gbartko said: > > > @bladehunter said: > > > Awesome thread guys. You’ve got guys in here telling you the truth who have designed some of the irons you’re playing and yet the obligatory “ you don’t need to hit anything but a straight shot” and “ only on Wrx do we have guys playing blades shooting 106 and holding up the course”. With a call to the USga with the “ real” slow play issue. GEt our of here with that noise. If you’re hitting 3 wood from 150 out. You aren’t the topic of this thread. You are looking for the “ so I need a 9 wood or 7 hybrid “ thread. > > > > > > I don’t know who you guys play with. But I’ve played with many 10-12 handicaps who play a shot shape. And play them well. I’ve yet to see this 15 handicap who has g700s and only hits straight laser beams. > > > > i dont think anyone is saying try to hit it straight in spite of your *natural* shot shape. i think the point is "working the ball" is probably pretty low on the list of what mid caps should be doing when attacking pins. imo, a 12 handicap should be more worried about hitting the green than drawing it into a left flag or fading it into a right flag. at a certain level you need to do those things to shoot lower. again, this is just the way i look at it from trying to post the lowest score i can. > > But that’s the flaw in the thinking. Straight is really rare for all but the most . So you have to have some level of control with a shot shape. Even to hit the middle of the green. So you are in fact working it into a target. Middle of the green or not. > > The ones who argue against mentioning the word “ workable” are the guys rolling balls up I’d wager. > > Otherwise im to either assume they hit it dead straight or they play a controlled shape into greens. i agree that straight is rare for most, but just because it moves right to left or left to right on its own doesn't mean that you are "working" it. that's just the way it goes by default. i see "working" it more as something that you want the shot to take a trajectory/direction that is not your normal, do nothing special ball flight/swing.
  10. > @bladehunter said: > Awesome thread guys. You’ve got guys in here telling you the truth who have designed some of the irons you’re playing and yet the obligatory “ you don’t need to hit anything but a straight shot” and “ only on Wrx do we have guys playing blades shooting 106 and holding up the course”. With a call to the USga with the “ real” slow play issue. GEt our of here with that noise. If you’re hitting 3 wood from 150 out. You aren’t the topic of this thread. You are looking for the “ so I need a 9 wood or 7 hybrid “ thread. > > I don’t know who you guys play with. But I’ve played with many 10-12 handicaps who play a shot shape. And play them well. I’ve yet to see this 15 handicap who has g700s and only hits straight laser beams. i dont think anyone is saying try to hit it straight in spite of your *natural* shot shape. i think the point is "working the ball" is probably pretty low on the list of what mid caps should be doing when attacking pins. imo, a 12 handicap should be more worried about hitting the green than drawing it into a left flag or fading it into a right flag. at a certain level you need to do those things to shoot lower. again, this is just the way i look at it from trying to post the lowest score i can.
  11. Try as I might, I always go back to the Callaway x2hot pro 20 and 23. I have the steel kbs hybrid shafts in them and cut to the length of the irons they replaced.
  12. > @Krt22 said: > > @gbartko said: > > take your tool and swap out the head for a new one. then go over to the bag section, find a nice looking cart bag and drop a deuce in it while no one is looking. frontier justice! > > The M6 fairway has a glued hosel then take a hacksaw - the important part is taking a dump in the bag. ymmv.
  13. i know its very un-golfwrx but i'm playing the titleist dt trusoft this year. have to get adjusted to the short game but really like not sucking irons off the greens.
  14. Get rid of the baby and get some Baby Blades.
  15. take your tool and swap out the head for a new one. then go over to the bag section, find a nice looking cart bag and drop a deuce in it while no one is looking. frontier justice!
  16. Pretty much impossible according to the GolfWRX GI truthers. That's why all the 15 handicap "great ballstrikers" here gots to play the blades.
  17. GolfWrx answer: Yeah, I'm sure that's the case for *most* golfers but *I* am a 15 cause I can't chip and putt! But do I think my street cred would be somewhat diminished if I were to rock a Ping Chippo, Alien wedge and a stand up putter with my Miura Baby Blades (btw - they are bent weak 0.0523599 radians to reduce offset in the long irons)? Absolutely. YMMV. Real world answer: Yes - agree w/ OP 100%
  18. I don't know about you guys but at my club we don't break ties using hole handicap. Instead we give it to the guy who's pitching wedge has more loft. 2nd tie breaker is who has less offset in their 2 iron. 3rd is who's lob wedge has less bounce. 4th tie breaker is who's driver face angle is more open. It's never happened yet but the 5th tie breaker is when we measure d**ks. As always - YMMV.
  19. You may need blades. From what I hear on GolfWRX you only get fliers when you don't play blades. You may also be losing concentration during your swing as well. Hope that helps! YMMV.
  20. I think it's easier for one to "want" blades to prove to be better than it is to "want" GI to prove to be better. Probably an ego thing but I'm no psychiatrist.
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