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  1. > @SNIPERBBB said: > > @DaveLeeNC said: > > > @caniac6 said: > > > > @SecondandGoal said: > > > > > @Roadking2003 said: > > > > > > @CMCSGolf said: > > > > > > I'll defend it. While I agree it is pretty frustrating, there are a plenty of reasons to keep the rule as is. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) You ball ends up in a divot like twice a year, so not that big of a deal > > > > > > > > > > If you apply the "it almost never happens so why bother" logic, you would not get relief from a cart path. I end up on a cart path once or twice per year > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really? Does your home course have very few cart paths? If not me personally, somebody in my group is on a cart path once or twice per round. > > > > > > > > > > I play almost everyday, Mon-Fri, and I have not had to take relief from a catrpath all year. > > > > It probably depends on the design of your paths. Some paved paths are designed such that often if you just place a ball on the path it will roll off. Others have 'lips' which tend to trap balls. > > > > Our paths are mostly unpaved so no relief regardless. > > > > dave > > Its also placement of the paths. Some courses the paths are well out of the way of all but horrid shots. Some course like mine, the cart paths are sometimes only feet off the fairway in landing areas. There is a course that I used to play that is a 75 degree dog leg right, and the cart path goes down the right hand rough, and then intersects the dog leg at about 200 yards, and carries straight on to the other side of the fairway, before becoming part of the rough on the left. It's about 250 to the end of the dog leg, and over that is rough, trees and OB. I've probably had 5 drives that have gone dead straight only to hit the path and end up lost or in the crap.
  2. > @Augster said: > Were both tourneys at nice courses most people can’t get on? Sounds like the course today was an exclusive private course. > > For some of us, the only way we are ever getting on the top end private courses is through the state associations. I’ve seen a few guys deep 6 their cap to get low enough to sign up, just so they can play the course. I’d do the same to play Interlochen or Hazeltine here in MPLS. There simply isn’t any other, legal, way on. > > If a guy has to kill his cap with fake scores to get low enough to sign up to play, his cap will normalize soon enough. It only takes 10 fake scores to get a low handicap. Sign up, play the event, then put in 20 fake scores to bring your cap back. > > This is probably what you are running into. Pretty unlucky, but if the courses are nice enough, exclusive enough, you will see this from time to time. > > > > Or they could just try and get better at golf and earn there way on like everyone else?
  3. > @Sandhurst241069 said: Wonder how often DL3, John Daly and Bubba have been under the bar... > In Daly's case, many times, just not the bar you are thinking of...
  4. I would vote for the Ryder Cup as my favourite event - it's great to see most of the best players in the world going at it head to head in the original form of the sport. So my list would be: 1. Ryder Cup 2. The Open 3. The Masters 4. US Open 5. Irish Open/Scottish Open depending on whetehr they are played on a links course 6. Players 7. Senior Open 8. Women's Britsh Open 9. Alfred Dunhill 10. PGA The Prseident's Cup doesn;t even register
  5. It's no 'Live Under Par' is it...> @Golfjack said: > I get it, golfers like a traditional look. But nothing wrong with this new design though. Just different. It's pretty hard to please golfers whenever anything is changed. Looks more modern and updated. Wonder why they made the European font smaller than the Tour font though. Maybe because it's more of a global tour these days?
  6. Both versions are far better than the staid PGA Tour one. I do like the Seve one, but I think that they are trying to be forward looking. Speaking of which, I think the use of "further" is intentional - the ET is taking the lead on different formats of the game (shot clocks, 6 hole matches) so it does make sense in that context. Or they hired an illiterate to write it, that is also possible.
  7. > @bscinstnct said: > > @Bingo1976 said: > > > @bscinstnct said: > > > > @Bingo1976 said: > > > > > @bscinstnct said: > > > > > > @lowheel said: > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > @brew4eagle said: > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > > > @Bingo1976 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you say low, I say none. Why argue? Are you under the impression that there is some sort of penalty for me if he does 1 day in jail and you win a prize of some variety? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would you like to wager? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No way he does any time in a jail cell. Maybe, maybe a very slight chance of a brief home sentence. There is zero chance he goes to prison. None. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure if you're being serious or not, or how you could think this. He's being charged with sexual assault. Of course he could do jail time if he is convicted of something in that realm unless I don't understand something about the charges? Now, I'm not predicting that but I don't see how there isn't a chance greater than 0% that it could happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I literally wrote I'm not predicting it. That doesn't mean I think there's a 0% chance, lol . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because there's a huge difference between someone saying 0% chance of something happening and there being a chance of it happening, which is why I asked if you knew something about the legal system, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you know when someone says “ none “ that’s hyperbole. There’s no such thing as 100 or 0% when talking criminal charges. So ? Also a large difference between being charged with something and it making it to trial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly my point that there's no such thing as 0%.> @"Mick Douglas" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Field out for Switzerland the week after his court case and he's not in the field, going to be a stressful time right now we have to assume practicing golf won't be a high priority and if found guilty or not I doubt he'll play before Wentworth or Dunhill the following week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suspended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you knew that 0 is word used for very unlikely. Right ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That being said. In a court in the UK. He’s likely screwed. He’d fare far better in the states. In my humble opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He’s not the victim here. And I say that as a fan of his. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn’t say he was a victim. I’m just saying we don’t know any facts about the case. Not enough To even claim there is a victim. I just prefer to make an opinion based on info. Not headlines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If an arrest was made for sexual assault charges, then by definition there is a victim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alleged victim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You still have to prove the case yes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the problem with today’s social media world. It’s guilty until proven innocent. > > > > > > > > > > > > dangerous times for due process... > > > > > > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > > > > > So far, all we know for sure is that as the result of the evidence/accounts provided to law enforcement and their investigation , he was charged with committing these crimes on a plane. I’m not sure if they have a grand jury system in the U.K. or exactly how they determine that the charges by law enforcement have sufficient merit to take it to trial, but I assume that the evidence was substantial enough for a prosecutor to feel confident in bringing a conviction. > > > > > > > > > > He will have his day in court but I think this gets some kind of deal before hand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way the UK Justice system works (and in my mind it's still the best in the world) is as follows: > > > > Alleged crime is committed > > > > Police will pass evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service who will decide if there is sufficient evidence to proceed with a prosecution > > > > Depending on the severity of the crimes charged, the accused will either appear before a Magistrates court (which consists of 3 Magistrates - you can think of it like Judge Judy, but times 3) first - they can hand out lower tariffed fines and up to 6 months custodial sentences). If they feel the punishment that may be handed out is too severe for them to hand out then they will refer it to the Crown Court, which is a Judge and 12 Jurors. > > > > To my knowledge, we don't have the concept of 'deals' - the accused's cooperation and any early guilty plea will be taken into account, but you cannot 'buy' your way out of serious crimes. The alleged victim(s) can also file for civil damages separately. > > > > As the latter is what has happened in this case, then I think it is absolutely right that he has been suspended, and I say that as a huge TBO fan. > > > > > > Bingo! THank you. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the "plea bargain", where the prosecution and defendant agree to a guilty plea on a lesser charge for lesser sentence (usually due to difficulty in proving the the more severe charge but wanting some punishment), is accepted practice in the UK legal system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, it absolutely is, I just don’t see it happening in this case - the time for a plea bargain would have been before the magistrates court. It usually only applies when there is insufficient evidence to convict on a higher charge, or when there is a co defendant who you are testifying against. I am not a lawyer, however the attached is a decent summary of the UK process vis a vis plea bargaining. > > > > https://www.inbrief.co.uk/court-proceedings/plea-bargaining/ > > > Trials can be risky. You don’t know how witness testimony will come across or exactly how things are going until the trial is in process. Although, I can see how a jury, if that’s the right term in the U.K., of judges would be more predictable and less prone to being swayed. Especially if you know the judges records prior. Can the attorneys for the defendant have any input on which judges are selected? > > > > > The Crown Court consists of a Judge and a Jury of 12 - pretty similar to a US system. The judges are usually appointed at random, or because they may have a special knowledge of the law as it relates to that case as it is charged (serious cases will have a High Court Judge for example). The Jury will be 12 lay people. The verdict will be driven by the jury, with the judge doing the sentencing in the case of a guilty verdict.
  8. > @bscinstnct said: > > @Bingo1976 said: > > > @bscinstnct said: > > > > @lowheel said: > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > @brew4eagle said: > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > @Bingo1976 said: > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you say low, I say none. Why argue? Are you under the impression that there is some sort of penalty for me if he does 1 day in jail and you win a prize of some variety? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would you like to wager? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No way he does any time in a jail cell. Maybe, maybe a very slight chance of a brief home sentence. There is zero chance he goes to prison. None. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure if you're being serious or not, or how you could think this. He's being charged with sexual assault. Of course he could do jail time if he is convicted of something in that realm unless I don't understand something about the charges? Now, I'm not predicting that but I don't see how there isn't a chance greater than 0% that it could happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I literally wrote I'm not predicting it. That doesn't mean I think there's a 0% chance, lol . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because there's a huge difference between someone saying 0% chance of something happening and there being a chance of it happening, which is why I asked if you knew something about the legal system, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you know when someone says “ none “ that’s hyperbole. There’s no such thing as 100 or 0% when talking criminal charges. So ? Also a large difference between being charged with something and it making it to trial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly my point that there's no such thing as 0%.> @"Mick Douglas" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Field out for Switzerland the week after his court case and he's not in the field, going to be a stressful time right now we have to assume practicing golf won't be a high priority and if found guilty or not I doubt he'll play before Wentworth or Dunhill the following week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suspended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you knew that 0 is word used for very unlikely. Right ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That being said. In a court in the UK. He’s likely screwed. He’d fare far better in the states. In my humble opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He’s not the victim here. And I say that as a fan of his. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn’t say he was a victim. I’m just saying we don’t know any facts about the case. Not enough To even claim there is a victim. I just prefer to make an opinion based on info. Not headlines. > > > > > > > > > > > > If an arrest was made for sexual assault charges, then by definition there is a victim. > > > > > > > > > > Alleged victim. > > > > > > > > > > You still have to prove the case yes ? > > > > > > > > > > This is the problem with today’s social media world. It’s guilty until proven innocent. > > > > > > > > dangerous times for due process... > > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > So far, all we know for sure is that as the result of the evidence/accounts provided to law enforcement and their investigation , he was charged with committing these crimes on a plane. I’m not sure if they have a grand jury system in the U.K. or exactly how they determine that the charges by law enforcement have sufficient merit to take it to trial, but I assume that the evidence was substantial enough for a prosecutor to feel confident in bringing a conviction. > > > > > > He will have his day in court but I think this gets some kind of deal before hand. > > > > > > > The way the UK Justice system works (and in my mind it's still the best in the world) is as follows: > > Alleged crime is committed > > Police will pass evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service who will decide if there is sufficient evidence to proceed with a prosecution > > Depending on the severity of the crimes charged, the accused will either appear before a Magistrates court (which consists of 3 Magistrates - you can think of it like Judge Judy, but times 3) first - they can hand out lower tariffed fines and up to 6 months custodial sentences). If they feel the punishment that may be handed out is too severe for them to hand out then they will refer it to the Crown Court, which is a Judge and 12 Jurors. > > To my knowledge, we don't have the concept of 'deals' - the accused's cooperation and any early guilty plea will be taken into account, but you cannot 'buy' your way out of serious crimes. The alleged victim(s) can also file for civil damages separately. > > As the latter is what has happened in this case, then I think it is absolutely right that he has been suspended, and I say that as a huge TBO fan. > > Bingo! THank you. > > I'm pretty sure that the "plea bargain", where the prosecution and defendant agree to a guilty plea on a lesser charge for lesser sentence (usually due to difficulty in proving the the more severe charge but wanting some punishment), is accepted practice in the UK legal system. > > > > Oh, it absolutely is, I just don’t see it happening in this case - the time for a plea bargain would have been before the magistrates court. It usually only applies when there is insufficient evidence to convict on a higher charge, or when there is a co defendant who you are testifying against. I am not a lawyer, however the attached is a decent summary of the UK process vis a vis plea bargaining. https://www.inbrief.co.uk/court-proceedings/plea-bargaining/
  9. > @bscinstnct said: > > @lowheel said: > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > @brew4eagle said: > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > @Bingo1976 said: > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > So you say low, I say none. Why argue? Are you under the impression that there is some sort of penalty for me if he does 1 day in jail and you win a prize of some variety? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would you like to wager? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @chigolfer1 said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @golfandfishing said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No way he does any time in a jail cell. Maybe, maybe a very slight chance of a brief home sentence. There is zero chance he goes to prison. None. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure if you're being serious or not, or how you could think this. He's being charged with sexual assault. Of course he could do jail time if he is convicted of something in that realm unless I don't understand something about the charges? Now, I'm not predicting that but I don't see how there isn't a chance greater than 0% that it could happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I literally wrote I'm not predicting it. That doesn't mean I think there's a 0% chance, lol . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because there's a huge difference between someone saying 0% chance of something happening and there being a chance of it happening, which is why I asked if you knew something about the legal system, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you know when someone says “ none “ that’s hyperbole. There’s no such thing as 100 or 0% when talking criminal charges. So ? Also a large difference between being charged with something and it making it to trial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly my point that there's no such thing as 0%.> @"Mick Douglas" said: > > > > > > > > > Field out for Switzerland the week after his court case and he's not in the field, going to be a stressful time right now we have to assume practicing golf won't be a high priority and if found guilty or not I doubt he'll play before Wentworth or Dunhill the following week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suspended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you knew that 0 is word used for very unlikely. Right ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That being said. In a court in the UK. He’s likely screwed. He’d fare far better in the states. In my humble opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > He’s not the victim here. And I say that as a fan of his. > > > > > > > > > > I didn’t say he was a victim. I’m just saying we don’t know any facts about the case. Not enough To even claim there is a victim. I just prefer to make an opinion based on info. Not headlines. > > > > > > > > If an arrest was made for sexual assault charges, then by definition there is a victim. > > > > > > Alleged victim. > > > > > > You still have to prove the case yes ? > > > > > > This is the problem with today’s social media world. It’s guilty until proven innocent. > > > > dangerous times for due process... > > I agree. > > So far, all we know for sure is that as the result of the evidence/accounts provided to law enforcement and their investigation , he was charged with committing these crimes on a plane. I’m not sure if they have a grand jury system in the U.K. or exactly how they determine that the charges by law enforcement have sufficient merit to take it to trial, but I assume that the evidence was substantial enough for a prosecutor to feel confident in bringing a conviction. > > He will have his day in court but I think this gets some kind of deal before hand. > The way the UK Justice system works (and in my mind it's still the best in the world) is as follows: Alleged crime is committed Police will pass evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service who will decide if there is sufficient evidence to proceed with a prosecution Depending on the severity of the crimes charged, the accused will either appear before a Magistrates court (which consists of 3 Magistrates - you can think of it like Judge Judy, but times 3) first - they can hand out lower tariffed fines and up to 6 months custodial sentences). If they feel the punishment that may be handed out is too severe for them to hand out then they will refer it to the Crown Court, which is a Judge and 12 Jurors. To my knowledge, we don't have the concept of 'deals' - the accused's cooperation and any early guilty plea will be taken into account, but you cannot 'buy' your way out of serious crimes. The alleged victim(s) can also file for civil damages separately. As the latter is what has happened in this case, then I think it is absolutely right that he has been suspended, and I say that as a huge TBO fan.
  10. Whilst I also think Brooks should have shaded it, I would defer to their peers as to who is most deserving of the title.
  11. > @Nard_S said: > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said: > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said: > > > > > @bladehunter said: > > > > > > > > > I find it hilarious that soo many are against caddies existing. As if the caddie is an indentured servant. Wth ? They are paid Handsomely in a lot of cases. Go poll the caddies and see if they want push carts .... guarantee majority doesn’t. Why ? They know their ability to carry is job security. Push carts could eventually equal their lack of employment. You guys assume caddies are too stupid to know that. A funny irony. > > > > > > > > Don't you see the irony in all this? The ridiculousness of all of this is that some are saying caddies using pushcarts is a sign of softness or weakness. How about the guys that need someone to carry their bag?!!!! > > > > > > > Have you ever walked and carried during a tournament round ? It is a hindrance. One is a legitimate need. The other is somebody wanting to make a job that is literary to carry into a “ anybody can do it “ position. It’s a slap to all pro caddies in my opinion. And on top of that it wouldn’t make the job easier for most. Carts don’t push themselves. One is a need the other is a want. > > > > > > > I carried my own for the first decade I played in the 2000's, sure not in a tournament but plenty. College golfers usually don't have caddies either I believe. I disagree that it's a legitimate need... it's a convenience with roots in ancient golf that was exclusively for the privileged class. Agreed that push carts aren't always easier, but this premise that somehow a push cart is emasculating is ridiculous. It's also hypocritical hearing it come from PGA Tour pros that never carry their bags. > > > > I'm nor pro or against caddies using push carts, but I do enjoy calling out hypocrisy when I see it :) > > I don't think push carts emasculate anything, personally they never made sense to me. Feel like I'm on a Costco Naked and Afraid expedition. Pushing anything is not an efficient use of energy.Pulling is better. Thats just physics 101. Pro caddies have a gig and part of it they have to lug 25lbs around. They're real job is to help keep dude golfer's head in the tournament. I know guys that have done the Continental divide and AT with that same weight. They survived just fine. > The concept of anything further emasculating a sport that 80 year old women can play is hilarious. I'd have no issues with caddies using electric carts if it protects their backs, and I am sure this could be yet another revenue stream for the Tours as the trolley makers move in...
  12. > @"Darth Putter" said: > ![](https://media.golfdigest.com/photos/5d755717f80a590008f063d1/1:1/w_768,c_limit/us-walker-cup-2019-team-celebration-photo-trophy.jpg "") > > An 8-2 curbstomping in Sunday singles gives the US a 15.5-10.5 win. > > This is the first road win by either side since the US won at Royal County Down in 2007. > > The 2021 edition will be played at Seminole in May. (to avoid hurricanes) GB&I may have lost the match, but fashion is the real loser today...
  13. The lack of coverage is absolutely shameful. The Walker Cup is the pinnacle of amateur team matchplay and all of the greats have played in it, to varying degrees of success.
  14. Just to echo others in saying that Carnouste is a must play - I can't vouch for how much and how hard to book as we got comped a round. We also got on TOC in the next days ballot - ended up as a 2 ball in the midst of 4 balls, so had a very slow round. A caddy is a must for TOC, and I would highly recommend one for Carnoustie, if only to get some great stories about who they have caddied for in the ADH - my caddy had looped for Samual L Jackson and Justin Timberlake. The pound is on it's arse at the moment thanks to Brexit, so food and drink will be cheap, but I can imagine the courses will be busy with overseas visitors as a result.
  15. They've managed to make bass fishing a thing, so why not some fat blokes hitting a ball into a grid
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