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  1. Under the old CONGU system the CSS (the old equivalent of PCC) frequently went up at tough links courses. We have a local one where many of our members are members there too , and many competition days days it was reduction only i.e. the most extreme level of change where irrespective of your play your handicap would not increase. All of us over here know that playing links golf on a tough day is really, really challenging and the difference in scoring between a good and tough day on a UK links course is far greater than on a parkland course. This is obviously difficult to represent on the
  2. As these ‘lip protectors’ do not conform to the rules of golf, should rounds played with them in the holes be posted for handicap purposes or not?
  3. As people have said, over here in CONGU land, in reality, tournament only handicaps are the norm. We have a thriving culture of ‘Open’ competitions at all clubs. This is when members of other clubs can play competitions at other clubs in various formats. I, and all my playing partners, are more than happy to play in such competitions both at my own club and elsewhere and believe we have a relatively fair and equal chance of winning if you play well, which is in essence the purpose of having handicaps in the first place. This is certainly the case in singles strokeplay slight less so in bet
  4. It’s ironic in a cruel way as most Scottish courses where play is allowed are under snow and ice where courses down here in the South West have dried out and are fine but we are not allowed to play. Clubs are having to decide whether to have green staff in at work getting more winter work done quicker as there are no golfers in the way or sending them home and the government paying 80% of their wages.
  5. I realise that ‘more qualifiers will be played in ‘playable’ conditions’, my question was to do with playing ‘qualifiers’ in unplayable conditions and the amount of discretion a committee will have. This question is now unfortunately moot as we are now in lockdown again and it may well be Spring before we are back out on the course - it looks as if we have had an inactive season imposed on us!
  6. The competition committee would check scores and close the competition as usual but the question is whether it should be deemed by the competition committee ‘in the competition settings’ as a ‘qualifier’ i.e. qualifying as a WHS score.
  7. No we don’t have an ‘active season’. In the winter months we have more allowances on ‘postable’ rounds such as the ability to have LCP at the Club’s discretion and the use of fairway mats (this is often the case in more northerly links courses). Otherwise if we run a competition with an acceptable course set up score should be posted and you can pre register individual strokeplay attested rounds again if the course is set up in an acceptable fashion. As we live on an island seasons are unpredictable, as someone said we don’t have a climate we just have weather.
  8. We run 'Qualifying Competitions' (rounds which must be posted) throughout the winter. On rare occasions the course is frozen and if the frost is hard enough it is considered that playing on the proper greens does little or no damage, is we keep the main greens on and don't move to temporaries which we would use in light frosts. Historically if the greens were frozen on a competition day, due to the total lottery of the golf that was able to be played (it is impossible to hold greens with forced carries), we just made it a 'fun' competition and it was non qualifying for handicaps. Wit
  9. I have heard on here that some folks from the US would favour (favor) two handicaps, one based on competition rounds or pre-registered, attested singles stroke play rounds (what we would call over here ‘serious golf’) as used in many parts of the world, and another index based on other formats e.g. better ball and strokeplay rounds. The above post seems to show this to good effect as the player has two widely different indexes, 4.3 and 9.1 dependent on how the rounds are calculated. It goes to show how difficult it is to handicap everyone in a lot of different formats and ways of playing.
  10. Surely the aim in matchplay is to make a better score than your opponent on each hole not to make the best (possible) score.
  11. Interestingly ‘no see’ socks would get you thrown off many UK courses. A (very) few now insist on long socks, just below the knee, with shorts but a surprisingly amount still require white ankle socks and no ‘trainer’ socks. Don’t ask me why. I always keep a pair o& ankle socks in the car when visiting other courses just in case.
  12. I was referring to ‘you’ i.e. not CONGU when I said in my post “over there” meaning the USA (but it, of course, also refers to other jurisdictions). I realise that net par here in CONGU land is relatively meaningless without additionally factoring in CR
  13. With CR-Par being part of the course handicap calculation over there doesn’t ‘playing to your handicap’ i.e. shooting net par now mean equalling the course rating net?
  14. I’m not sure how this will work under WHS but normally anyone, over here, who plays ‘regularly’ to handicap in medal competitions is not necessarily a ‘sandbagger’ but would certainly require watching.
  15. It is, I believe, a doubly grey area as the players are not playing with fewer clubs due to choice but rather due to a restriction placed on them by the course which means they are unable to have the amount of clubs that they normally would choose to shoot their best score.
  16. As almost all posted rounds are in club competitions, they would be made to eat their ball shortly before being asked to leave the Club!
  17. If there are so many vanity handicappers in the US it would be good to see individual strokeplay competition results. I understand that these are no commonly run but if they were, theoretically, you should get a lot of PCC kicking in as a significant % of the field would not be able to play to their handicap.
  18. Under CONGU I would say vanity 5% (those who previously low but haven’t posted many rounds) fairly accurate 75%, sandbaggers to a greater or lesser extent 20%.
  19. Electric trolleys are worse than push, (the worst electric are the remote control ones as they turn by spinning one of the driving wheels), however the three wheels of the push trolley create a lot more wear (then mud) than two feet carrying a bag. Even with wide wheels they are in constant contact with the ground as opposed to feet which are in periodic contact. Having all players carry makes a really significant difference to wear on the course. We were locked down for all of November and when members returned to golf we allowed trolleys in wet conditions for the first week, they did a
  20. As a rough guide I would say that in any given day at our club about 5% of players use a buggy/cart, the rest walk of these 75% have trolleys the rest carry, trollies are split 75% electric 25% push. I would guess this is fairly typical.
  21. Lots of people enjoy the challenge of playing many shots with the ‘wrong’ club (me included)- it sometimes goes well and sometimes not but it is a learning experience but I would certainly not, given the choice, remove 6, 7 or 8 clubs from my bag and claim to be trying to achieve my best possible score.
  22. So if a player is carrying 4 clubs, as he can’t carry more (he normally would carriy 14 in his trolley but he is now not allowed to use due to club ruling on course conditions), he is then obliged to post the round?
  23. We are having, even for this damp island, a very wet period, certainly here in the South West. Our Course, which usually drains well is extremely wet; we therefore have buggy/cart bans and unusually a trolley ban. For qualifying competitions we normally do all that we can to allow trollies but at the moment it is just too wet. This means that those who have difficulty carrying tend to carry an extremely reduced set. As it is the players choice whether or not to enter these competitions there is no problem re posting scores. However, if this were the case in the US or any other jur
  24. It’s really not that difficult. When one of our committees (Men’s, Juniors, Ladies, Mixed etc.) organises a competition where there is a prescribed handicap allowance e.g. singles matchplay, foursomes strokeplay, 1 out 4 Stableford etc. etc. then they are mandated to follow the WHS handicap allowance. if they decide to organise a competition where there is no prescribed handicap allowance by the WHS, e.g. a string competition or reducing club competition then they are ‘free’ to give whatever handicap allowance they want - how else would they do it as there is no guidance for such ‘fun co
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