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  1. Up for sale is a brand new Winston 3 wood headcover. Features the Streamsong logo with blue/grey stripes. $120 shipped cont. USA.
  2. It achieves the objective of being hard. Everyone sees that sign on the first tee and thinks "Oh what a cute little tongue in cheek novelty." But in reality the course was not and is not meant to be played by golfers of all abilities. Just because its a golf course doesn't mean golfers of all skill levels are entitled to enjoy it. I wouldn't call the Freerider route on El Capitan "foolish" because 99.9% of the world (including myself) can't do it. Its a challenge designed only for the right demographic of people.
  3. I have and will always concede that the course design itself is not all the interesting: its all right in front of you. Because of that there are no favorable swales or bounces a slightly mishit ball can take. You either hit your spot or you don't, and when you don't the course has a tendency to bite hard. Most people play the Black course from the blue tees (the daily play 'back tees') which set the course up at 6600-6700 yards. From those tees the course is manageable and your low/mid handicapper can get around fine with a straight tee ball (although 220 yard drives and 160 yard 5 irons still won't cut it). But when you venture back to where they don't put the tee markers and play it at anything over 7000 yards that's where the real challenge is. Just look at the winning scores over the years there: 2002 US open (-3 won with only 1 player under par), 2009 US Open (-4 won with only 5 players under par), 2012 Barclays (-10), 2016 Barclays (-9), 2019 PGA (-8 won with 16 players under par). Compare those Barclays and PGA scores to the scores at the other venues that host those events and you'll see just how difficult this course is even when its not set up like a circus.
  4. I'm a person in that camp that believes that Pebble doesn't live up to the hype. 8 or 9 good to great holes sure, and the ocean views are great, however architecturally nine or 10 of the holes aren't stand outs and any holes that are routed inland or have views facing inland are spoiled by large compound-type houses. For courses with ocean views, I rate Kiawah and Kapalua Plantation higher on my list than Pebble. I totally agree with your assessment of the Streamsong property. Blue is easily my favorite and most fun of the three. Black is a lot of fun to play once you've played it a couple times. Red is hard and many of the holes are relatively bland for the property. Red 15, 16, and 17 might be one of the best stretches of holes on the property though from a view and architecture perspective. Red is ranked where it is because people think hard = higher ranking. I haven't played Caledonia but I did enjoy True Blue. Of the courses I've played on this list, I would rank them as follows: 1. Bethpage Black 2. Kiawah 3. TPC Sawgrass 4. Pasatiempo 5. Kapalua 6. Pebble 7. Streamsong Blue 8. Streamsong Black 9. Streamsong Red 10. World Woods Pine Barrens 11. Torrey Pines Notable exclusions from this list for me personally (as I would rate them higher than no's 10 and 11 on my list): 1) Taconic Golf Club 2) Montauk Downs 3) True Blue (I feel it's a tie with Pine Barrens)
  5. When I saw this thread I saw that I had posted in it. Having not remembered posting in a topic like this recently, I clicked in it to see how old it was. I was 19 when I first replied in this thread . 19 year old me…32 year old you is taking your advice and still keeping up the gym work, however the most important thing at this age has been dedicated stretching sessions: 4 times a week for 15 minutes. Anyway, in the past 12 years I reached a 626 yard par 5 in two (Driver, 3 iron) but missed the putt. Course was in Denver so elevation played a major factor there. The 581 yard sea-level hole from 12 years ago is still my longest.
  6. Every single-bag caddy I’ve had made the experience pleasurable. Reading greens, giving lines off the tees, and the fun stories some of them had all made for a good time. My experience with caddies at top tier clubs/resorts is that they know you’re there maybe once, and they work hard to make that experience enjoyable. I’ve gotten bum yardages and trusted reads they gave which didn’t end up being right, but they’ve also given the right yardages and made great reads just as much. Nobody is perfect. I got a double bag caddy for the first time in my life a few weeks ago and I’ll elect to carry my bag on my own if that’s the only option offered. It’s a hard gig I understand, but they’re only there to carry the bag and give clubs. Getting yardages, green reads, replacing divots, and lines off the tee were all on me. At the end of the round I asked the caddy the standard price per bag for a double loop, and he replied with $100-120. Probably should have checked with the caddiemaster because that seemed high for what I got.
  7. Nobody asked for a list but I’ll give it anyway: 1. Bethpage Black - I’ve been lucky enough to have played quite a few US Open venues. They all brag about being impossible but truthfully most can be handled with proper course management. Bethpage cannot. It’s brutally long, the rough is brutally sticky, the bunkers give brutal lies, and it’s a brutal walk. I’ve played it the most of any course on this list and even with all the knowledge I have of the place in the end it means nothing out there. Add in any sort of wind and I wish you good day sir. 2. The Ocean Course - Played it once in late December. High was 45* and the wind was blowing a steady 20 mph out of the northeast. Downwind holes weren’t so bad, but the holes into the wind felt impossible. Fantastic golf course. 3. Oakmont - Whereas Bethpage beats you down with long tee shots and approach shots, Oakmont offers variety in its challenge. There are plenty of difficult tee shots out there for sure, but proper course management off the tee can save you strokes. Full attention must be paid anywhere near the greens, and you must avoid missing them at all costs. 4. TPC Sawgrass - The greatest mental crucible of a course I have ever played. The first time I played I ripped driver everywhere en-route to a 92. The next time I hit driver on only a handful of holes and shot 78. Better to play to the larger portions of the fairways and leave longer approaches in than to try and overpower this course. 5. Kapalua Plantation - Put this course anywhere else and you’d be dissatisfied with anything other than your career best. But the views are infinitely distracting and the wind is infinitely unrelenting, so it gets an honorable mention on this list.
  8. Since we're resurrecting an old thread, I figured I'd go to bat for Oak Hill Country Club. Andrew Green renovated the course at the end of 2019 and its unbelievable now. I saw it as a spectator in 2013 and didn't think much of it, but playing it for the first time this year I think its spectacular. The green complexes are amazing, the revisions to the bunkers are beautiful, conditions are incredible, and the course just oozes history. I've played a few top 100 (and top 10) courses and this is a place I'd love to play every day. I'm sure the pros are going to have high praise for the place in 2023 (provided it isn't under a foot of snow then). I've got a long write up I might drop on here someday. Pete Dye's courses are the most mentally taxing courses I have ever played. Full focus is required for the entire round. They have the potential to beat you down, but when you play well and stay in it there's no greater feeling. If you can play well on a Pete Dye course you can play well anywhere.
  9. I haven’t played either Orange Tree or West Orange. I hear West Orange does have a pretty active membership and skins games. I don’t mean to scare you too much. Dubsdread is honestly the best option near Winter Park. My main gripe is again the length of it…from a course management perspective it makes no sense to hit driver on more than 4 holes out there. I mean, you can hit driver on many of the holes out there, but logically speaking it doesn’t get you any reward for the excess risk over hitting a 3 iron or hybrid off most tees. You’ll see when you play there. That said yes, it’s probably the most sociable place and they have a good skins group as well. Conditions are typically really good, especially the greens. Need to tee off before 9:30 on weekends though otherwise it can get quite slow.
  10. Richie has good points. I live in Winter Park myself. I haven't played Tuskawilla but I'd like to visit the course and consider a membership there. When I inquired last year for a 'junior' membership it was $1500 initiation and $300 a month, plus quarterly F&B of $250. Legacy is pretty good from a routing/maintenance perspective, but its just too far for me to consider joining. I played Timacuan last week and the conditions were poor at best (usually pretty good). Lots of bare sand on the edges of the greens, bare tee boxes, washed out bunkers. Worst I've seen it. That gets into my next point: for public golf north of Orlando it's very difficult to find a good course routing with consistently enjoyable course conditions. Dubsdread is typically in great shape year round, but the course routing leaves much to be desired (tight and short). Winter Park Pines is good for a quick round but don't expect good conditions ever. Rio Pinar has a good practice facility and decent routing, but there's hardly any grass on the greens. Twin Rivers is a great routing but the greens and green surrounds are typically in rough shape. Timacuan is in poor shape right now. Deltona Club is probably the best public routing in the area but you have to accept the greens will be slow and the bunkers probably won't be raked. Victoria Hills in Deland is another great routing but the overall condition there is terrible for the price you pay. Wekiva use to be in good shape once upon a time but has taken a turn for the worst. If you live north of Orlando and want to do the public golf scene your best bet is to travel over to Orange County National and the other 'tourist courses' in the summer time for good conditions and bang for your buck. In the winter to save a few bucks you'll have to endure the bad routings and conditions in the Winter Park/North Orlando area. Some courses do run summer deals (Disney) or gift card deals around the winter time (Timacuan offers buy a $50 gift card and get 2 18 hole golf vouchers free). Again, course conditions on the public scene are tough in this area, and the practice facilities in the Winter Park area aren't very good. Very few courses offer nicely grassed ranges with good chipping/bunker areas. This is why I'll probably bite the bullet and go the Tuskawilla route within the next year or so.
  11. Thanks for the heads up! Phew
  12. To me that just adds to the grand scale of everything at that course. Pittsburgh is also a big industrial town so it’s part of the landscape. That being said, it’s from a powerplant that’s being decommissioned so it may disappear soon anyway. Oakmont isn’t supposed to be a beautiful golf course, just a brutal test of golf. I’ve had the good fortune to play there a few times and the course does play significantly different wet vs. dry. My scores were significantly different too. Not sure how I feel about these guys playing down different holes, but it’s match play so you do what gives you the best chance. I don’t recall what the pros did in 2016, but it’s funny the idea of placing trees just off some tees feels like it’s back on the table after they removed all but a couple. Internal OB is not a good idea IMO. Glad we finally got a good amount of coverage today as the match has been excellent. Broadcasting crew is doing a great job. Edit, spoke too soon. As soon as it hit 6:00 my local news came on and I lost all coverage
  13. Congrats to you for making it to the am, that’s great. Sorry you didn’t make the cut. Your synopsis is spot on about the course. The short 4s that have any slope to them are so difficult even with a wedge approach in. 18 is a near impossible green, especially if the pin is back left.
  14. Schuyler is a fantastic little club, definitely the best course in the Capital Region by far. I've had the good fortune to play that course five or six times when I lived in the area. Every time I was out there it felt like I was in the only group on property. Six under on that course is playing good golf. There's a lot of getable holes out there (1, 2, 10, 11, 13 immediately come to mind) but also quite a few holes that look mundane on the scorecard but are really tricky because of the land they're on or because of the green contours. There's also some impossible pin locations out there they seem to break out for the tournaments. The course also has those old school poa greens that roll so pure. Smashdh I would say that the bunkers are indicative of Devereux Emmet's style. Not very many sand-flashed faced bunkers, they're more of the steep grassed faced variety with relatively flat bottoms. The fairway bunkers feature lots of geometric shapes and angles which feel more Hanse-esque to me.
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