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  1. One notch up... I carry both a 7W (21*) and a 4H (22*). 7W only about 10 yards longer, but it flies higher, and gets ball out of medium rough better. 4H launches a bit lower, and if I tee really low I can get a stinger-type shot on tight driving holes. Into wind, can match 7W on distance.
  2. Any chance the 3W itself is problem? Consider switching to 4W. Ping players often get 5W and play it at 17.5* or loft down to 16.5* (basically a 4W). And, the 5W shaft is shorter and easier to control. And, 4W will get you better distance out of light rough than a driving iron. Plus, you already have a P790 3i. Can you get distance with that as a fairway finder? And, can you hit a stinger with 3i? Just something to think about.
  3. I've used some combo of 4W + 7W for last eleven seasons. If you're replacing current fairways, see if you can hit a 4W OK. This would get you an extra 10+ yards over 5W. But, I see players with 5W + 7W. Whatever works. Talked to a custom fitter at 2019 golf expo (remember expos and demo days?) He puts longer-hitting golfers into a 3W + 7W, average golfers into 4W + 7W.
  4. This is what I did with my Rogue 7W. Near end of Rogue cycle, couldn't find anything but women's flex shafts. A check of the specs for men's and women's fairways showed the loft, lie angle and head size were all the same. Lighter SwWt strictly from shorter women's shafts. Got what turned out to be a new Rogue 7W for $100. I asked my clubsmith to Tip + Extend the women's flex shaft. But, he ended up putting in a demo PX EvenFlow 5.5 (65 gram) shaft he had laying around. He said the T+E would have messed up the shaft balance. And, he only charged me $20 for reshaft labor! Note: Rogue fairways have bonded (non-adjustable) heads.
  5. Back in the previous century, I hit greenside cut shots with a SW for 20 years before Dave Pelz created the LW. And, when I swapped out all my irons circa 2009 I used a 56* Callaway Forged wedge for two years before I settled on a trio of Cleveland CG14s. Prior to that, I had used a set LW sparingly from some component irons I played. The kicker came in 2011 when my wife and I took a spring-break golf vacation to Crown Valley GC in Farmington, MO. One evening near the practice green I met two golf team members from a local college. To my amazement, both had a 56* as their highest lofted wedge. I asked one of them how that worked, with no LW. He said, "I'm not stupid enough to short-side myself, so why do I need a lob wedge?" I carry a LW because I play a lot of courses built in the 1990s or later. These include a number of greens with little shelf nodes where you need to drop a dart into a 10-foot circle to save par.
  6. You might consider using KBS Taper 120S shafts, stabilized with tip shims. For 5 grams extra weight, you can go to S+ flex and softstep them.
  7. Along this line, I fear that many Americans are addicted to the LW. In 2014, I served as a crowd marshal for the Curtis Cup matches at St. Louis CC. This is an amateur Ryder-Cup format pitting USA vs. British-Irish women. The course is an old-style track, with several false-front greens along the way. In the match* I saw, three times the USA players faced a chip into a false front green. Out came the LW, the ball flew in about three feet short of the cup, and then spun all the way back off the green. They had a true Mickelson moment! The British and Irish women handled those shots with a 7i, or a putter run onto the green, and often had short tap-ins to save par. The USA pair won the match, however, on strength of iron play. Several approaches checked up within 10 feet of pin. ______________________ Some of decision on 56-60 came from matched sets of specialty wedges. The circa-2010 Adams Tom Watson sets had 52-56-60 as boxed sets. This is the same setup as the recent Kirkland wedges. Three wedges for $110 total rather than one wedge for (then) $125 made a lot of people willing to go 52-56-60. On the other hand, many prefer the 54-58. Keep in mind that many people find the 58* LW more user-friendly than the 60*. Also, I would suspect that 58* users are more willing to try full LW shots than 60* users. And, going back to you use it more than you should, should you even use a LW, or a SW (or GW) for a shot? Assorted short-game videos and articles caution against using LW from extremely shaggy or uneven lies. A SW or GW has a lower loft, and will give you more reliable clubface on the ball - less chance of a high-face hit that goes upward more than forward. _______________________________ *Great thing about course marshal for match play: Your team follows one match around the entire course, so you get to see the the whole thing.
  8. First of all, I've always found the term Players Cavity a bit amusing. Is it a Players club, or a Game Improvement club that is having an identity crisis? Here are irons in this rough category which I have really liked. The above iron models are the MP57 (my choice), the marvelous X20 Tours (joostin + me), the J40 DPC (joostin + me), and the i200 (my choice). Mizuno MP57. MPF = 411. The MP line's first cavity back, it got launched in 2007. At time, I was playing clone irons similar to Ping Eye2 with heavy DG S300 shafts and was considering other options. I was surprised that I could launch the bladish-looking iron so well. I did well in a rough fitting, but the model was back-ordered at the time; somehow I never followed up on a possible purchase. Callaway X20 Tours. MPF = 732. In 2009 when I was ready to swap out irons, the Ping i10 was in the lead after technical reviews. But, the i10 proved difficult to hit, and I looked elsewhere. I tried out the X20 and X20 Tours, and went for two seasons with the X20s. But, had distance control problems with X20s - lots of approaches long and short of green. So I found a set of like-new X20 Tours on CPO and got them on trade for X20s + $200. Tours were great, but about 2014 I reshafted from PX 5.0 to NS Pro 8950GH - PXs were hard to control on days I didn't have my A swing. MPF = 732, clearly in Maltby's GI zone. This was about 100 points higher than X22 Tours, which some praised as a true players iron, while others said it was just hard to hit. X22 Tours reminded me of the Ping i10 adventure. Bridgestone J40 DPC. MPF = 652. The dual pocket cavity version was the GI version of the Players J40 counterpart. Lots of Bridgestone golfers got mixed sets. In spring of 2013, Bridgestone sent me a test kit of the irons: 5i, 9i in DG R300 SL, and 5i, 9i in NS Pro 950 R-flex. The irons felt good, and I liked that the 5i was mid-launch and 9i was high-launch. Still, I would have needed full fitting to find the shaft, and I ended up getting my X20 Tours reshafted the next spring. Ping i200. MPF = 474. Got to hit these at a major golf expo in 2016, along with Ping G model. Both models flew well for me. The following spring, got lots of Ping quality time at a rainy demo day that few attended. I was surprised at how well the i200s in steel AWT 2.0 (R-flex) shafts launched. Like, I could even hit the 4i off the deck. Verdict from fitter: I wanted the i200s, but I probably needed the Gs for long term because I wasn't getting any younger. Ended up not buying. Parting views on MPF. I have always found the MPF system to be useful for rough sorting of irons I might want to try out. That said, it has not been infallible. The MP57 and i200 would have been no go for me, but it turned out I could more or less hit them. (Confession: I tried both for the simple reason I liked the head design.) With either, I would have needed lighter than stock shafts to make a go of it. That brings us to the issue of shafts. MPF developer Ralph Maltby states up front that the MPF only deals with clubhead design. He notes that shaft and swing characteristics will influence how well a given player hits an iron. And, he notes that if two iron models are within 100 MPF points of each other, the average golfer probably can't tell which has the higher score.
  9. Have you considered other Callaway fairways with adjustable hosels? Before the Epic and Epic SubZero came the Alpha 815 and Alpha 816 models. The Alphas solid fairways - if you can find one used.
  10. Interesting note: About half the TopGolf customers are non-golfers. New owner Callaway looking to leverage this into creating new golfers.
  11. Our veteran clubsmiths have long warned about changes in grip weight tricking the SwWt scale into a lower reading. But, you can't feel it much when you swing club.
  12. First, some questions on how you use your wedges. Do you hit full shots with all your wedges, or maybe just PW and 52*? If you hit full shots with your PW and your 56*, probably want the 52* wedge (or maybe bend to 51*) to split the difference on yardage. You would have to test the wedges to find whether the 52* needs to be bent. If you're replacing wedges, the 50-54-58 would work if you got fairly even gapping from this set-up. When you actually hit wedges, 4 degree loft gaps doesn't guarantee even yardage gaps.
  13. First, a clarification. Do you play Sim MAX irons - sig lines - or Rogue irons? Larger whiteside (off-course) shops carry some GWs, but lots of greenside shops avoid them. Heard about this at a golf expo (a couple of years ago). A country club rep was selling an unhit Callaway MD3 50* wedge for $75! He said with so many iron models containing GWs, it's really hard to sell a specialty GW. His shop only gets them special order for a member. If you actually play Rogue irons, the Rogue GW (if you can find one) would be 49*. That's a 7 degree gap until SW. It appears you're basically looking for an 11-iron (mostly full shots) rather than a true wedge. (Nothing wrong with that) For your partial wedges, are you more of a Pelz clockface/matrix player, or a feel player that just senses how far to hit partials?
  14. A weakness some rounds, but a hot club others. My Callaway OSize 4 Hybrid is more of a wild card? Regularly the 4H is in play on our uphill par 3, long approaches, and tight par 4 tee shots. Some days I have the beautiful bumblebee humming shots that are almost laser-guided... other days it's a flat-top that goes 50 yards, or a slap slice the clips the tree line 20 yards from the target. Solving the riddle: I probably need to take a lesson, maybe even a 9-hole playing lesson (when it gets warm again).
  15. This may not have big WOW factor, but I really like my reshafted MD3 and MD4 wedges. Shifted from steel to PX Catalyst 80 6.0 graphite (~85 grams). Callaway told me the shafts were not available in their supply chain, but I was able to find three through an eBay site in Fresno - taper tip even!!!! This supports my shift to MAX irons (see below) with Catalyst 65 5.5 shafts. The reshafted MDs feel solid, and a touch livelier than with the steel shafts. I've picked up about 8 yards a club, mainly stabilizing toward the high end of yardage I got with steel. Wedges are just easier to control and swing on tempo (same with MAXs). Several more greenside and inside-100 up and downs since their transformation. As for MAXs, they came in at C8/D0 from factory. They just feel a little light, harder to feel at top than my prior irons (Tour Edge CB Pro Tungstens with KBS Tour 90). At the Callaway rep fitting, I had requested them kick up the SwWt to D2. But, I was warned this would cause a supply-chain catastrophe. This bugged me, as Ping and Callaway had reputation for kicking up the SwWt in irons for people who requested it; a frequent request for those shifting to lighter graphite shafts. I may end up having local clubsmith put {tungsten powder + cork} down shaft at regrip time to get D2.
  16. Definitely check this out. With shafts creeping longer, even in irons, too upright a lie will leak left. Adjustment is simple to do, if needed. And... take a lesson and see if you have a set-up problem or a motion problem. One lesson is quite a bit cheaper than a reshaft.
  17. Hmmm... In the ones you mention, only CM has 56*/14 F grind. On its SM7 and SM8 web sites, Vokey says the F grinds (54*/14 and 56*/14) are the most popular sand wedges on tour. an interesting topic... only because - as they say on the Game of Thrones - "winter is coming..." You're feeling bored already.
  18. Take a good look at the loft specs before doing this. In my case, the Mav MAX irons have higher lofts than the standard Mavs. In comparison, Mav 7i = 27*, MAX 7i = 30*. But, with same shaft, I hit the MAX 10 yards longer and higher than the Mav. In your case, you might look at Ping G425 irons in 4i and 5i in retro-spec lofts. Compare: .......P760..G425 3i....19.5*..----- 4i...22.5*..22* 5i...25.5*..25* Note: G425 stock length is quarter-inch longer than P760. And, the G425 face might be hotter than P760. Or, you could just switch to G425s with Retro-Spec lofts and end up with a 47* PW. An alternative: Soft-step the 3i-4i or 4i-5i in the P760s to smooth out the launch a bit.
  19. What irons/shafts did you use prior to the Mavs? From Callaway site, the Mavs in graphite shafts have a D1 swingweight. If you had more SwWt (and probably heavier shafts) in prior irons, the Maxs may feel a bit feathery. In my case, I got the Mav MAXs with Catalyst 65 5.5. SwWt is only D0, compared to D2 in old irons (which also had heavier steel shafts). I have a bit of trouble feeling the clubhead at the top. When I ordered the clubs, I asked them to kick up the SwWt to D2.. but rep worried this would knock the planets out of orbit and delay my shipment. So I accepted D0...Shipment wait was mid-June to early October, anyway. I may end up going with {tungsten powder down shaft + cork} so I can feel clubhead. This is disappointing, as both Callaway and Ping had reputation for doing SwWt tweaks. Supposedly golfers could request a higher SwWt to offset the lightness of the graphite shafts.
  20. Could you clarify what you're trying to accomplish? Do you want the leading edge to be sharp, or less sharp? Do you want a PW with a bit of bounce, or do you basically want a 10-iron? Once you clarify what you want, contact TM or a fitter for info on this. Not sure if the detailed engineering specs for iron models would help you decide or not. Detailed specs have about twice as many info rows as base TM site specs. I suspect the deciding factor would be turf interaction for you.
  21. For wedges, the 15-yard gaps for full shots are manageable. Your game plan for wedge control depends on whether you're a feeler or mechanic. Feelers rely on being able to sense how far to hit partial wedge shots, say, inside 80 yards. Often use one or two wedges for partials. Mechanics often use modified Pelz matrix of four wedges x three partial clockface backswings (at 7:30 / 9:00 / 10:30). This gives 12 cells with with different yardage choices between about 30 to 100 yards. Between 5i and 9i many prefer to have 10- or 12-yard distance gaps. These are clubs used mainly for full swing. 4i through DIs can be larger gaps... main thing is to know what they are. These longer irons generally roll out more... most amateurs can't drop a dart with one.
  22. Lots of Pingsters use the 5W as is. Or... they downloft it to 16.5 as 4W with slightly open face (less chance for hard-left miss) Also, realize that the 2H is the 1-iron of hybrids. 2H requires a lot of clubhead speed. And, can you get out of rough with 2H?
  23. Depends on your swing pattern. Lofting up runs risk of closing the clubface, and encouraging leftward adventures (AKA hook, pull...).
  24. In what sense don't they look right? To get your average, hit a dozen or so shots with each club. Then, dump the outliers (superhot or scuffed shots - red dots), and take the x̄ (mean) of the remaining solid shots. This will give you an idea of carry distance. Other things to consider... rollout from iron shots can vary according to the ball you use, how clean the shot was, and turf conditions where the ball impacts.
  25. Replace the 3W with a 4W. More reliable, easier to control. A clean 4W shot would be more useful than an iffy 3W on that par 5. As for 3H, a couple of things to consider: First, what are head and shaft for club? You might want a square face pro-style head. Sounds if you need penetrating flight, as the ads say. Penetrating means the club launches the ball well, but then the trajectory flattens out rather than climbing. With your high CHS, this could help. Shaft is also a factor, but shaft is for fine-tuning. Second, can you hit a low, hybrid stinger when you need to? This skill would be useful, especially with your CHS. If you can learn to hit a stinger, a 3H would be more versatile than a driving iron.
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