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  1. The two most difficult that I recall playing are Pine Valley and The Country Club (Brookline). The rough at the Country Club was brutal, high and thick.. Even just off the greens it was thick and made controlling chips difficult. I'd love to play it again when it wasn't set up for a tournament. I think it's the highest score I've had without losing a ball. The caddies wer unbeleiveble in tracking errant shots, even when they went into the high fescue. Pine Valley was a thrill to play but is long and the bunkers extremely challenging.
  2. Where to play depends on how far you want to drive, how much you want to pay and how important it is to you to play a great course vs an okay course. There are plenty of courses close to where you are staying. Most of the ones mentioned in the previous posts are close to where you are staying, and are all decent courses, but aren't the best golf courses in the area. Remember that December is the beginning of the high green fee season in Orlando. Celebration is a fun course in a nice setting and is probably my favorite of the ones mentioned in the previous posts The three Disney courses are pretty similar to one another (all designed by Joe Lee with similar bunkering and greens are fairly typical Florida Golf). The Magnolia is a little more forgiving than the Palm or Lake Buena Vista. Falcons Fire and Mystic Dunes are okay, but not special. Mystic Dunes has some interesting greens Hawks Landing is tight with lots of water. You can lose a lot of balls there The following are the five courses that I'd recommend in that area are just a few minutes further drive. Southern Dunes - My favorite course in the area. It has great, fast greens that have lots of movement. The fairways are wide, the property is sand based with significant elevation chnages and fantastic bunkering. Championsgate Country Club - a really good course. My only complaint is that the holes are spread out through a huge development with very long cart rides between holes. Grand Cypress New Course (now called Grand Cypress Links) and Championsgate International . These are both faux links. I prefer Grand Cypress. Orange County National Panther Lake Course You can find photo tours of all of these courses here: Orlando Golf Course photo tours
  3. If you plan a trip from Bay Hill to Streamsong, stop and play Southern Dunes on the way. The total distance is about 75 miles and Southern Dunes is about half way between them
  4. Streamsong Black Streamsong Blue Streamsong Red World Woods Pine Barrens World Woods Rolling Oaks
  5. Winter Park Deltona Mission Inn El Campeon Red Tail Victoria Hills Bella Colina
  6. Click on a photo to link to the complete photo set of that course. Southern Dunes Bay Hill Championsgate Country Club Grand Cypress New (n/k/a Links) Orange County National - Panter Lake Championsgate International
  7. That depends on where you are staying and how far you are willing to drive. Many people don't realize that the Orlando golf market covers an area bigger than Myrtle Beach. My favorite course, which I return to most often, is Southern Dunes in Haines City, about 20 miles south of Disney World. My next 5 favorites within 20 miles of Disney are: Championsgate Country Club (Rumors are that it may soon turn private) Bay Hill (expensive and you must stay on site) Grand Cypress New Course (currently being renovated and may have a name change to Grand Cypress Links) Orange County National Panther Lake course Championsgate International at the Omni North of Orlando also has some good choices if you are staying in that area: Winter Park 9 (9 holes) Deltona Club -Great design, very inexpensive, course conditions may be less than perfect and play can be slow unless you get out early Mission Inn El Campeon Red Tail (has some tight holes, but otherwise a very good design) Victoria Hills Bella Colina - Going private, you may need to stay there. It has nice elevation chnages and a few blind shots and can be expensive Although not really Orlando, Streamsong has three awesome courses and would be at the top of the list if you are willing to drive 90 minutes and pay the high green fees. Another day trip if you are willing to make the drive would be World Woods in Brooksville, which has two excellent courses. I'll post links to my photos of these courses.
  8. The posts that suggest rewarding fast play rather than providing refunds for slow play are spot on. The hot dog idea might work. But I think this could work better: I don't know what kind of IT system you have, but if you have the ability to track "points" or "credits" by customer name, I'd suggest granting a point to each player who finishes in under four hours. When the customer accumulates four points they get a reward. Something like $X credit in the pro shot or toward their next round. That way you are incenting them to play fast and to play more often. The more fast rounds a customer plays the greater the credits they earn
  9. Peter Flory, the guy who created the virtual version of the course and is working with Tom Doak to create the real thing, had started a fascinating thread on Golf Club Atlas in 2018 about his virtual creation. The original photos that he posted are now gone due to a change to his photo hosting site, but there are some nice newer pix starting later in the thread, which is now 11 pages long. If you don't want to read the entire thing, start at page 9 which is where the more recent photos begin (although there is some interesting discussion preceding that). Here's a link: Peter Flory GCA Virtual Lido thread link
  10. Click on the photo for a photo tour of Bardmoor.
  11. Waldorf Astoria at Walt Disney World, Lake Buena Vista, FL. Not my favorite Orlando course, but a very nice setting and lower green fees during summer and shoulder season. It was an enjoyable morning. Click on the following photo to link to full photo tour of the course:
  12. Nice work. To be the most helpful for me, I'd like to (i) have the ability to see the dozen or so courses I most often play (ii) see how many player spots are open for each listed tee time as I sometimes book for four players, two players or for myself as a single) and (iii) the green fee for each tee time
  13. Yeah, in my experience the rangers out there aren’t the greatest. Last time I played the Black it took us almost 1.5 hours just to play the first three holes! The ranger kept blaming it one of the bridges to go across the creek on #4 being out due to heavy rains the day before but that made no sense because there were long waits of two groups on #3 tee that was causing the back up. The scorecard says the expected pace of play is 4:40 but in my experience I don’t remember the last round I played out there under 5 hours. Something here doesn't make sense. If the rounds are taking 4:40 to 5:00 then walkers should not have any problem keeping up with the group in front of them even if that group is riding. I've played all of the Streamsong courses several times. I agree that rounds are usually pretty slow unless you get out very early in the morning. I think the reason is that the greens are large with loads of movement so players tend to spend a lot of time on the greens. Most of my rounds are walking with the push cart and I've not had trouble keeping up with the group ahead. I almost wish I had that problem as it would indicate that the pace of play was better than it often is there.
  14. I'm not a big fan of the GD rankings, but I think they got it right ( as compared with your rankings) on six of the courses you played. Of the ones on your list that I've played, I'd have Pinehurst #2, Old Mac and Pasatiempo closer to the top of the list and Great Waters, Doral Blue and Cascata more toward the bottom. To each their own.
  15. If I was setting my own criteria for ranking golf courses scenery would be low on the list. I like scenic views as much as anyone, but that's not really what makes a course great IMHO.
  16. Here's a link to a photo tour of Bulle Rock. Click on the photo below
  17. It doesn't make me question their method. I think that the courses that are between 50 and 200 are so close in their aggregate scores that a slight difference from just a few raters (or just a few more new raters seeing a course) every couple years can have a significant effect on where a course. There is really not much difference between a course that is in the 50's and one that is in the 150's. That's why the actual rank doesn't mean a whole lot.
  18. We have a 36 hole day scheduled for Brora and Golspie. There are so many outstanding courses in the region and too few days.
  19. It's on my bucket list. We aren't sure if we'll have time to fit it in on our drive from Fraserburgh to Nairn, although the June days are very long in the north of Scotland.
  20. Consider the Orlando area. Spirit, Frontier, United and others have some very low fares from LGA. I think Spirit also flies from Islip if you are near there. I'd suggest finding courses with wide fairways that don't have carries over water to greens. If your Dad plays from a more forward set of tees, there will be many options with no forced carries off the tee either. My first choice would be to stay south of Orlando near Championsgate and play Southern Dunes Championsgate Country Club Championsgate International Highlands Reserve If you stay north of Orlando consider playing Winter Park 9 (You can go around twice to play 18. It's worth it) Deltona Bella Colina - They only allow a limited amount of public play if you don't stay on site. It will be more expensive than the other listed courses Metrowest
  21. Can't wait to play there. My June 2020 visit has been rescheduled to June 2022. Did you play other courses in the Highlands?
  22. I just searched the Midwest Forum back to 2018 and didn't see any review or comments that said one direction of the Loop was better than the other. There are several people who posted that they are underwhelmed by the course in both directions and a few that only played it one way, but none in that forum who said one was significantly better than the other. I've read many articles and reviews in just about every golf publication and many reputable web sites as well as knowing dozens of people who have played there, and I've never heard or read that view expressed before.
  23. I haven't seen any that have said that. I'd be curious to see some. Please share a few links. I've played the Loop in both directions and it's very difficult to say one is even marginally better than the other. They are both on the exact same land, they both use the same greens. I have some favorites going each way. Here are links to photo tours of each Loop (Click on photo to open album) PS - I do agree that We Ko Pa Saguaro should be on the list. I've played 48 of the 100 courses on the list and it would be in the top half of those I've played. No list will match everyone's tastes. Golf Mag's more closely matches mine Loop Black Loop Red
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