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  1. The MTB Black is going to be similar to the Pro V1, Srixon Z Star, Bridgestone BXS and Chromesoft X.
  2. It's not the amount of spin that makes a tour ball better, there are probably balls being played on tour (Pro -V1x, TP5x, etc) that don't spin that much more than the highest spinning surlyn ball. But what they do is spin in a much more consistent window than the surlyn ball. It's the consistency of spin and ball speed that you are paying for. Those differences from shot to shot might be small and imperceptible. It might make less than half a shot per round (and you'd need A LOT to spot that). And no matter what equipment I use, I'm always going to be the most inconsistent part of
  3. This has never been shown to be the case with testing. A firm ball gives faster ball speeds at all swing speeds. The difference narrows as you swing slower, but you never have the soft ball going faster. What a soft ball will do is lower spin, and through decreased spin you can get longer carry distances at slower swing speeds.
  4. I'm a 14 handicap. I have my fair share of bad shots and I know they were my fault. However, I have (and I'm sure most here also have had) the following things happen: A ball go 5-10 yards further of a mid iron on a par 3 than I have ever carried it on a launch monitor A ball curve way more in the air than normal based on the swing I put on it Were they caused by the ball? Who knows. But when I previously played the Q Star Tour, the first happened once a round or so. Having a ball with 15 compression points difference depending on where you hit it would very easily be a half cl
  5. The answer is it depends. Backspin is also a stabilizer of flight. There is no such thing as "side spin". A high proportion of the spin is always going to be back spin which keeps the ball flying straight. You can use the a trajectory calculator to see this. Launch two balls with identical ball speed and launch angle (100MPH and 30* launch). This is not too far off where a high swing speed player might be with a 50* wedge. Give them both a spin axis of 45* (about as bad as you could ever produce on the course). Have one spin 11000 (a realistic spin rate) and one a spin rate of 6000. You'll see
  6. A lower compression ball will always give you less ball speed with the driver and usually less spin with mid irons (there are exceptions like the Bridgeston Tour BXS, but it's not a super soft ball). The ball speed losses are exacerbated the faster you swing. For some players giving up a little ball speed to reduce spin on irons is worth it. For some players the reduction in spin more than makes up the distance they lose in ball speed. Almost all premium balls will perform similarly around the green. If you want a good illustration of this, watch the recent TXG video of the Chromes
  7. The roundness and core centeredness are problems (how big I can't say). But the biggest problem is the variation between compression on different points on the ball. You could lose 1-2 MPH of ball speed and 500 RPM of spin depending on where you hit it on the ball. That amount of spin could be a half club of distance if the ball speed doesn't change with it.
  8. The shorter iron distance is almost definitely all due to spin. If you're willing to give up a few hundred rev's of spin to gain a half club of distance, is something you have to decide.
  9. arbeck

    2-piece Question

    Sort of. A harder ball and a softer ball with the same urethane cover will behave that way. But you can have a softer ball with a harder urethane cover (for less spin) or a firmer ball with a harder urethane cover (for less spin). You can also have a harder mantle, but softer core so that you get more spin on irons and wedges but the overall compression of the ball is less than a softer mantle ball with a firmer core. That's the way companies can make a firmer ball that spins less than their softer ball (bridgestone and taylormade for example).
  10. Iron distance is going to be all about spin. In the large ball test, there was only about 1MPH difference in ball speed at and 85MPH swing speed between the balls with a 7i. But there was a 7 yard difference in carry distance. That's almost entirely due to spin. In general, a soft ball spins less. The problem is that a soft ball is also in general slower with a driver (even at a slow swing speed). So you might be gaining 5 yards with an iron but losing 5 yards with a driver. On most holes, assuming you are reaching in two shots, you aren't gaining much of anything. There have been
  11. The one big problem with TXG's ball test is that they are performed indoors. A big part of what makes a ball do what it does is how it reacts after you strike it. Dimple patterns can create more or less lift and change the ball flight considerably. TXG's tests on initial spin, launch, and ball speed are good. But I'd take any carry distances with a grain of salt, because there's a lot more that will influence the ball that they simply don't test. I don't think anyone will argue that there's a few hundred RPM's and a few MPH of ball speed difference between all the tour
  12. I don't have any issue or concerns about the quality of the Z-Star. I also don't really have many concerns about the TP5 (i haven't heard any) or the Wilson Staff ball. My concern is with the Duo Pro, Q-Star Tour, and Tour Response. These balls are all $10-15 cheaper than the tour ball version from the same company. Where is that extra savings coming from? I don't believe a Q-Star Tour costs any less to make than a Z-Star, so either the margins are much worse, or they have widened their tolerances to have fewer rejects.
  13. You probably would never know if a ball issue effected a shot. The ball curves 20 yards extra, how often are you going to blame the ball or your swing? The ball spins 500 rev's more or less and ends up 5 yards short or long (balls are being measured with different compression ratings on different parts of the ball, which would effect spin like this), are you going to know it's the ball? The ball is slightly out of round and your putts don't go exactly straight, are you going to blame the ball or uneven greens? These are all small things which probably wouldn't even add up to a stroke per round
  14. No, I'm not. The cover/mantle frictional properties just react to the spin loft though. What you can't do is design those components to give you more spin when less spin loft is applied and more spin when you apply less spin loft.
  15. I'd probably experiment with something like the Bridgestone Tour B RX and RXS, the Srixon Q Star Tour, or even the Chromesoft. If the 2 piece balls are letting you score lower, it's almost entirely because they spin less (probably giving you half a club or more of distance). Those balls should all spin in the range of a two piece ball, but retain some green side spin.
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