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  1. Hard to put a % on it. I think it's pretty rare to see a 3 iron in the bag these days. And it's getting more and more rare to see a 4 iron. The choice to put hybrids in comes down primarily to swing speed. Hitting it high is great and many people need help hitting it higher but there is a point where you can hit it too high. You don't see pros hitting 7 irons 150 feet in the air. Many good players talk about flighting their wedges down to gain control, hitting an 80 yard shot 130 feet in the air doesn't make a ton of sense either (just more than can go wrong at that height). Lastl
  2. Yet the data clearly shows that "awful" approach shots are losing mid handicappers more strokes per round than "awful" drives. I think what makes this conversation difficult for people is that most of us pull our driver 11-14 times per round but we don't hit any single iron close to that. I play 7 irons (5i-GW) and when you throw in 2nd shots on par 5's (often with fairway woods or a hybrid), I'm definitely hitting more approach shots that drivers in a round, hence more opportunity to lose strokes. Everyone remembers the couple wild tee shots that leave the plant and co
  3. Bump- hoping to hear some news on the MP 22 line soon. I'm really looking forward to the gen 2 HMB. I've always gravitated towards forgiving clubs and I'm really intrigued by the size and shape of the HMB's. They strike a really nice balance in my opinion. FWIW I'm a 4 handicap and playing the G425's (and they are realllllllly clicky).
  4. I'm not an official member of the "Broadie crowd" but you're right, his analytics would be insightful here. Whether you are a scratch golfer or a 10 handicap, on average, you're losing more shots to approaches than driving: strokes-gained-shot-scope-1.webp (1024×768) (netdna-ssl.com) Broadie wrote an article back in October on where "awful" shots are hurting average golfers the most. An "awful" shot and having "forgiving" clubs isn't exactly the same thing, but they are loosely related. And again the conclusion was that average players are losing more stroke
  5. Well they are a game improvement iron with a ton of forgiveness/MOI. They are definitely smaller/sleeker than G irons from a few generations ago.
  6. I'm starting to think I should've bought the HMB's instead of the G425's. The G425's are sooooo clicky. I tested the HMB's (side by side with G425's but after I had already bought the G425's) and the feel of the HMB's was a lot better. A lot more spin too, which I'm not sure I want. HMB's were about 7-9 yards shorter, which I'm not sure I want. I'm interested to see what 7i loft Mizuno does for the next generation HMB's. If it's 32 again maybe I'll just order them 1 degree strong.
  7. Not sure I really disagree. Within reason of course. Get something that reasonably fits you and then it's all strike.
  8. I will nominate myself as a 4 handicap to take on Lydia. My home course white tees are 6300 and I play them often. She can come to my course. I've played it hundreds of times. If I'm not whizzing down my leg because I'm competing against her I'll probably shoot something like 78. She'll probably shoot something like 66.
  9. I got my G425 irons in about 4-5 weeks. I think they are kind of phasing out the i210's which is why they are so difficult to get. I would imagine new releases have priority.
  10. Every situation is different. And tour players play greens completely different than what most of us play on. I spin my i210 irons too much, I don't like to see 160 yard shots come ripping back.
  11. Ping G425. The topline is chamfered on the backside so you see less of it.
  12. Out of the 3 AMT options (red, black and white) the white are the lowest launching, lowest spinning. That might be contributing to your green holding issues.
  13. I'm a 4 handicap and played the G400's, now game the G425's, and also have i210's in 8-9-W-U. I prefer the G425's because I find they are more forgiving on toe strikes (which is where my common miss is) and they spin less. Why do Ping tour players not play the G425's? My thoughts/guesses 1. Looks. They are big and chunky. And looks matter to pro's. 2. Feel. They are hard and clicky. Pro's want "soft". It's less easy to "feel" your mis-strikes (you can feel them, just not as easily). 3. Ping has found that as the length from heel to toe increases (i.e. longer blade le
  14. It shouldn't be hard. If you want to do it quickly, in one evening you could take the PW, 8i, 6i out onto the course, with a laser, and hit 3-6 balls per club into a green and figure out your yardages. The other clubs should be easy to estimate (i.e. PW = 120, 8iron = 145 then the 9 iron should be around 132-133, etc.). Otherwise, you could do the same thing, on multiple nights, and really collect more data, into different greens, with different wind and conditions, etc. which is really the best way (IMO) to collect this info. But it's easy. I do think you'
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