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  1. I'll only add that you need to get a good caddie, so search for some recommendations. I've been exposed to 6 caddies at Bandon (carrying my bag or someone in my group) and 2 were excellent, 2 were average, and 2 were bad. It's not a guarantee that you'll get a good one and I was frustrated to pay $120 for a bag carrier who didn't know much about golf.
  2. I'm guessing lack of international travel has made Bandon a more attractive option this year (even more than usual). People with cancelled summer trips (golf and non-golf) are stuffing them into the end of the year.
  3. Bobby Dean at Barton Creek is very good. I believe (could be wrong?) he is the only outdoor trackman in the Austin area. The range is good and he has all the latest stuff. Much cheaper that club champion too. Very easy to book and work with.
  4. Thinking about this question a bit differently, what do you think the median round looks like for a standard +1 handicap? This is obviously a very good player capable of shooting in the mid 60s occasionally, but I think a lot of people are overstating how good these guys look on a normal day. On a hot day, sure it can be unbelievable. But what would their stats be for the 8th best round in their handicap differential? I think it would looks something like 8/14 fairways, 11/18 greens, 3 birdies (hit a par 5 in two, roll in one 20 footer, make another 6 footer), get up and down 50
  5. I'm not sure if you meant this literally that good players never leave themselves more than 15 feet from the hole or if this guy had a heck of a day, but it's really important to understand how inaccurate this idea is. We think pros stuff it all the time and make every 10 footer because the leaders on TV do, but most don't each week. The best player on the PGA tour averaged just under 15 feet from 100-125 yards last season: https://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/stats/stat.074.y2020.html This means that a good D1 player is most likely averaging over 25 feet with a wedge in thei
  6. I just checked my list of courses and I'll update my Ohio/IL comment on publics. Of the top 20 public courses between those two states, 12-15 would be from IL vs OH. I've played nothing in Cincinatti, but I don't think there is too much good stuff there. The states all offer such different things. If you rated public courses between WI and IL, WI might have the top 10, then IL could have the next 20. Tons of great top end golf in WI, but not that much for the every day golfer. Chicagoland is a very nice place to be a weekend player, minus the weather... Best Priva
  7. Yeah, there are several other courses in OH that are worth that. Fowler's Mill is a Pete Dye that is very good. Eagle Sticks in Zanesville is also good. Manakiki and Sleepy Hollow in Cleveland are better versions of Ravisloe. If they were not run by the park district and in a city as expensive as Chicago, they would be pricy. In IL and OH, public golf is really solid, but there aren't any great courses in either. Mistwood, Dubs, and a few others are very good, but not exceptional. I've played over 100 courses in both states and find them to be comparable. Both are far short of WI and p
  8. How much easier does cutting trees down actually make a course? In theory, it could be a lot, but has there every been a real study that measured the effect. Oakmont could have been a nice place to test it because they took out so many. I doubt the effect is that significant. If you cut every tree down on a course, I would be surprised if the course played more than 2 shots easier. That may be a lot for a course rating, but in the scheme of golf, it doesn't seem like much to me.
  9. Argonne is 100% right on #1 and #2. Beyond that, I'm not really sure any are real standouts. Then it becomes a question if you're rating the cream of the crop or what golf is like for normal weekend play? Ohio and Illinois have big populations so there are a lot of really solid courses. Including privates, it's pretty easily Chicago then probably followed by Ohio. The shear number of courses in these two states make it hard for less populous states to compare with a big list.
  10. Protecting the little guy may not have explicitly been the goal, but it was part of the output. Yes, these changes did increase offense, but they also made the game more balanced, which I think was the goal. In basketball the game was centered in the paint and jump shots were not as prevalent. The 3 expanded the court and made it possible for smaller players who had a different skill from the bigger guys to use their comparative advantage. Steph Curry would not have had the career he has if it were not for the 3. Baseball increased offense by lowering the mound because they tho
  11. It's definitely true that golfers are much better athletes on average. And this will lead to distance gains even if the ball were truly static. But that doesn't mean nothing should be done at the pro level. When athletes evolved in basketball, they added the three point line to bring more smaller players back into the game. When pitching became too dominant with Bob Gibson, they lowered the height of the mound. The point of the changes was to restore balance to the game. Adjusting the ball in golf is the same theory, there should be some balance in the skills required to succeed
  12. This is a straw man. No one is seriously considering taking 40 yards off a 25 handicaper's drive. Those players have gained very little with the new ball and likely wouldn't lose much with a new ball. It's been mentioned in this thread that it is possible to design a ball with diminishing returns that punishes 120 mph swings more than 90 mph swings. That would be the ideal solution in my opinion. You're arguing against something no one is advocating for. If you're an average player who hits a 220 driver and a 150 7 iron, losing at most 1 club of distance would be a reasonable outcome for
  13. The golf industry already survived a rollback. Before the 1980s, the US played a big ball and the rest of the world played a small ball that went further. The british open was played with the small ball and all the US tour players figured it out in a week when they went over there. In the early 80s, the rest of the world switched from the longer small ball to the shorter big ball. Everyone in the UK, Australia, Japan, etc lost 20 yards over night. There is no evidence that people quit the game. Golfers would adjust in a few weeks and it wouldn't be a massive deal. Distance i
  14. They host the Crump Cup every year, which is a top amateur tournament. And they open up their doors the last day to the public.
  15. Sweetens is extremely good. I can't think of many courses that are more fun to play. It's not the best course in terms of a "test of the game" but it has a lot of fun shots and slopes that you don't see many places. It's the best 9 holer I've played. I recently played Northwood and it was a pretty big letdown. The conditions aren't great and it's far too tight/short for the modern game. The trees are awesome and it's a fun experience, but there is nothing there that screams "McKenzie". If you're in SF, play it, but otherwise it's not worth seeking out.
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