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  1. I find this a interesting topic. As for being ready to turn pro or not, it is irrelevant; I don't think anyone on here is able to justify each individuals' reasoning. Some of the comments are comical reading through these posts. The fact that it was said that Spieth and Cantlay did not accomplish enough as amateurs is beyond me? I am not going to list all their accomplishments but anyone that truly follows collegiate golf and amateur golf knows what outstanding careers they had. Whether they succeed or not that is still to be determined. My main point I'd like to make is how can people make statements or comments regarding this with their only reasoning being they are not good enough amateur... they will be like Danny Lee or whoever..... First off, in Danny Lee's defense, he played last year on the big tour with full status. Granted he lost his card but will still have full web.com status next year. He has made $700,000+ on PGA TOUR and $390,000+ on Web.com tour in his career. He turned pro in 2009 only been playing professionally for 3 years and has a European Tour win to his name and I don't even know how much he has made on the European Tour...Plus what his off the course endorsement money is.....for a 22 year old kid he is doing fine.... it is a fact he has definitely made over 7 figures in his career playing golf. Thats not too shabby. I can argue that many people on here have not made 7 figures in the last 3 years. For that matter most people in America dont make that in 3 years. So to say this young 22 is a bust and comparing other prominent kids to him in a negative manor is crazy. Lets be honest Back to saying Spieth and Cantlay are not good enough? What about Bud Cauley... was his amateur career better than Jordan's or Patrick's? Because I can debate that all night with you. It worked out pretty good for Bud. Another comparison is slick Rick Fowler, things worked out for him too turning early, was his amateur career much better than Spieth and Cantlay's..... All these young pups (Bud, Spieth, Cantlay, Fowler, Uihlein) their amateur careers were all relatively pretty darn good and I think they all accomplished more than enough for them to justify turning pro early if that was the avenue they choose to go down. I honestly dont think a vast majority of you all on here are familiar with their amateur golf achievements or even are aware what the major amateur events are. I see comments about US-AM and NCAA's that it. What about the dozen other events year round that are played with arguable just as strong of fields as NCAA or US-AM. Sunnehanna, Northeast, Porter Cup, Southern AM, Jones Cup.... i mean I could go on and on. Jordan and Patrick and all these other kids dominated these events year after year. I remember watching them play them while they were in high school. I don't think they should be criticized for turning early b/c trust me, I think if the opportunities that are presented to them, were presented to us on here we would all probably make the same choice. Patrick will have web.com tour status next year and with the structure of that tour if he can make a cut before the first re-shuffle he will improve to full status and will basically be able to play all year. So to say he does not have a tour is false. Web.com tour is a pretty good little spot to play for a 19/20 year old kid. Lets be real... its pretty legit. Nevertheless, its still a gamble and we will see what happens....i am these guys biggest fans and hope they all tear it up and win everything. They are all young hotshots that are american and are the future of the game. Everyone of them from Bud--Cantlay--Fowler--Uihlein--Hoff.... the list goes on. Like this topic says its about Spieth and him turning pro. I think he is by all means accomplished enough to give it a go if thats what he wants. I understand him turning pro in JAN which gives him the full calendar year to get sponsors invites. If he waited until May to turn that would make no sense bc with the changes to the tour's schedule and fedex cup he would likely not get the full 7 starts he is looking for. So the strategy of turning now makes sense. Surprised he signed with Forefront, i did not see that coming. Jay Danzi is his agent and he is a accomplished man with experience in this industry; worked at IMG and Wasserman previously. I just would of assumed Jordan being a marquis up and comer he would of signed with a major firm like IMG, Wasserman, ISM, Excel. I guess he wanted to keep it local and sign with a Texas company. Danzi is based in Dallas so I guess it makes sense. But i still feel to create a brand around a players and get the correct exposure and maximize his profitability I would of guessed he would of signed with a big time management firm. After all the big firms are who essentially have the most power in getting spots in tournys..... I hope it works out, im routing for them.....I just dont think people should hate on them by saying not good enough or accomplished enough.
  2. Interesting post. I guess it all depends on who you are talking about because what Tiger, Phil, Bud, Ryan Moore... etc did is not really comparable to what John Daly might do. Only because Tiger, Phil, Bud, Ryan Moore... etc all had no status and had to earn their status via sponsors invites or "Top 10-ing" into next week. As a non-member of the tour they can only accept 7 invites. In John Daly's case he will forever have some form of status on tour under the category of "Past Champion". As a member he can accept unlimited number of sponsors invites. Being such a appealing fan-favorite tournaments always tend to give John spots, so he gets a pretty big schedule in every season regardless. My only point is it is hard to compare a guy with no status earning status vs. someone who has past champ status and can receive unlimited invites. With that being said I too am interested to know if someone with status at one time and lost their playing privilages has ever regained status via this route. I can not think of anyone on the top of my head. The only thing I can remember is Arjun Atwal in 2010 have conditional status and Monday qualified and won the tournament. This is the closest thing i can think of...
  3. I think this is a start to something great for him. It has always been obvious how much talent and game he has and I think that this win will help give him the confidence to get back out on the big tour and stay out there. I am a fan of his and hope to see him winning a lot more. This will be his 4th full season on the Nationwide tour (2008, 2010, 2011, 2012) along with one year on this "BIG" Tour (2009). I have followed his career fairly closely and there is no doubt he has had his struggles and seemed to come across overly confident but I think with all his time spent playing the Nationwide Tour and Hooters Tour it has humbled him and made him realize how hard it is to get out on the big tour and stay out there. This will only make him appreciate it when he get back on the PGA TOUR, and work hard to stay out there. He is still reasonable young at 27 years old and has a long career ahead of him. I think this time around he will make an impact and we all will start seeing his name a lot more.
  4. Field strength in different erasTigers era to jacks era, whos are stronger and why???? -Tiger's era seems like fields are deeper, almost anyone in the field each week has a chance to win. Does that make what tiger did (his records) more impressive? -Jack's era fields not as deep but he had possible steeper competition at the top. Trevino, Palmer, Watson...etc Jack played in a era with multiple players that won more than 5 majors, while no one is TW time has 5 major wins... I have no option im just curious to what the majority thinks....What are yalls thoughts?
  5. tbomb- "Recap - Fowler and Pete Ulhein are good friends, Pete's dad Wally was the CEO of Acushnet before they sold to FILA (cutting Fowlers ties to Acushnet imo...Fowler will be playing Cobra next year, they have deep pockets and he's the face of PUMA." I can promise you that Fowler's friendship with Peter has absolutely nothing to do with the fact the Fowler is with Titleist. Titleist signed Rickie because the kid is a star and a good ambassador for the company. Acushnet, which owns Titleist, FootJoy, and Pinnacle is STILL under the Acushnet roof. The corporation Acushnet was sold from Fortune Brands to FILA, nothing changed with in the company except for the fact that Fortune Brands does not own it anymore and FILA does. Wally is STILL the CEO of Acushnet which still owns Titleist, FootJoy, and Pinnacle. However, once Fowler's contract is up, i do see him going to COBRA but that is just a personal opinion i have no real confirmation on this topic. I think Rickie will be playing Titleist next season bc he will still be under contract.
  6. Booked the flight before Sunday's round??? Im pretty sure every player in the field had some form of transportation arranged before Sundays round. Plus he flies private so he has a plane waiting for him and he can change destination on the spot if he wants to go somewhere different. I dont think it is a big deal at all that he went to see his girl friend
  7. Seriously? This is kind of a dumb topic. I love this site and everything that is discussed on here is pretty legitimate and I am a big fan. But this voting thing on "Most disappointing super talent" is a bit uncalled for. Charles Howell turned pro in 2000 and has made ($21.7m) in earnings on the US Tour and is a multiple winner on tour along with 56 top 10's. Sergio Garcia turned pro in 1999 and has made ($27.6m) in earnings on the US Tour alone (+Euro Tour). He has 20 wins world wide (7 on US Tour). Adam Scott turned pro in 2000 and has made ($23.1m) in earnings on the US Tour alone (+Euro Tour). He has 19 wins world wide (7 on US Tour). How can you even consider any of them to be a disappointment. Give me a break. They are all so so consistent and solid; its ridiculous that people would even think that they are a disappointing talent.
  8. Graeme Mcdowell is not with Chubby... http://golfism.net/meet-the-golfers.html
  9. First off his name is "RICKIE" not RICKY. Secondly, I read where aussiehack said and I quote that "Jason Day is a major waiting to happen". There is not such thing. Yes J.Day has played phenomenal in the last two majors but you cant just prematurely put a title on ANYBODY saying they will for sure win a major. There are so many talented players in the game right now. Each week, major or non-major "ALMOST" anyone in the field has a chance to win, thats how deep and strong these fields are becoming. Which is definitely a good thing!!! As for Rickie he is a tremendous talent and is getting closer and closer, it is almost inevitable that he will win eventually. As for the comparison between Fowler and Day. I don't see how you can compare the two at this point and time. Day turned pro in 2006 where Fowler turned in 2009. He has 3 years of professional golf experience on Fowler. There is no substitute for experience, it is almost as crucial as talent. Jason Day has won one event on the PGA Tour and he did not win it until 2010, 4 years after he turned pro. Rickie is only half way through his 2nd season, give the kid a break. Im not knocking/disrespecting Day's talent or ability he is a great great player!!!! My point is, I dont think you can compare the two players at this point in time due to the fact that Day has played on tour more than double as long as Fowler. These two hot shots are part of the future of the game and its good to see them in contention. I see a lot of wins for both Rickie and Jason, and hope some of those wins are majors.
  10. Yeah Titleist and Oakley are cool but personally his two best deals have got to be with Audemars Piguet and Sunseeker. AP is hands down, bar-none the finest time pieces on this planet and Sunseeker is a luxury sports-yatch which I would compare as the Rolls Royce of boats. Granted his deals with those companies probably dont pay him, they probably just give him watches and a boat or at least a lease on a boat but nevertheless to not have to pay for those things is sweet. He might get some cash from them too but its not going to be anything like the cash he gets from his other deals. But the kids got it good, i must say!!! Chubby has done a great job marketing him.
  11. money matches...Anyone have any good golf gambling stories or money match stories. I have not played in any big games but i have heard a couple good stories about life-time mid-am's that play quite the money games. Anyone know about any of the big 6-man scramble calcuttas in Mississippi, Texas and Oklahoma. I hear those are the states where the big money games are. Im just looking for some good stories or people thought and opinions on this topic. ????? Thanks
  12. mfreeman- Have you ever played the 17th @ TPC? Not an easy hole. Also like the previous poster said: These guys have been carrying a bag for 16 holes and then show up to arguable one of the most intimidating holes in all of golf. And in front of a large gallery and cold turkey must hit a iron shot with no warm up. Come on? Are you seriously judging someone's playing ability off of one shot? Also to say the least these guys have probably been caddying for probably several weeks up to that point and have not played in sometime. With that being said I did not say "ALL" caddies were great player but for the most part on average the vast majority of caddies played a high level of competitive golf at one point or another in their careers. Just as the other poster said a lot of these guys played mini tours. I think mini tours are exactly where these guys make most of their connection with all the pros. Two guys play college golf together and then travel together on a mini tour somewhere and developed a close friendship. Then one of the guys makes it on tour and the other does not so he gives his buddy a job caddying for him. That is a pretty typical story on how it happens. But to disagree with me on this topic b/c you see guys hit it in the water on 17 at TPC is ridiculous. There are several guys that caddy that are great great players. Lance Ten Broeck (Jesper Parnevik's caddy) Has won on the PGA Tour. He played on tour for over 15 years. He won the 1984 Magnolia State Classic which now is the Viking Classic in Mississippi. A funny story about him in 2009 he was the first and still the only guy to play and caddy in the same PGA Tour event. As a past champion on tour he will forever have "some form" of status and it happened that he was carrying for Parnevik at the Valero Texas Open and he found out the day before the event he got in as an alternate. He ended up caddying for Parnevik in the morning wave and then played in the afternoon. He actual shot 71-70 and beat his boss Parnevik who shot 70-74 in the tournament. They both missed the cut. Lance did not even have his own clubs he was playing with another players backup set. http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/21/85/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Ten_Broeck Damon Green (Zach Johnson's caddy) has played in multiple PGA Tour events, had full status on the Nationwide Tour for two years and recently won first stage of senior tour school but failed to get through at finals. http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/72/41/ Brett Waldman (Camilo Villegas's caddy) He played D1 college golf and played mini tours before caddying on tour for Camilo Villegas, Tom Pernice, Jr. and Ben Crane. Last year friends kept telling him to go to Q-school to give golf another shot. Turns out he ended up making it through pre-qualifying, first stage, 2nd stage and earned full Nationwide Tour status at final stage of Q-school. He now plays on the Nationwide Tour full time. http://www.pgatour.com/players/02/54/82/ http://www.golfweek.com/news/2010/dec/01/waldman-shelves-caddie-bib-chase-dream/ Kip Henley (Brian Gay's caddy) He is actually playing this week in the PGA Tour event in Memphis. He has played numerous PGA Tour and Nationwide Tour events and also won the Big Break. http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/65/26/ These are just a few guys I know on the top of my head that caddy on tour. That also are great players. Im sure if I actually took some time to really think about it I could come up with a lot more. Most caddies on tour are great players.
  13. I don't necessarily think that being a course caddy at a course of a tour event is the the best way to get on a bag. Most tour players don't really care for course caddies, they want a tour caddy. Im sure it has happened that way maybe in the past where a course caddy carried for a tour player, but i think that is rare. What happens on tour (NW & PGA) is each week there are always several caddies that just travel from event to event and wait around in case a players fires a caddy or their regular guy cant make it. So there are always pro caddies that don't have a job and they just go from week to week waiting around outside locker rooms, driving ranges or parking lots of tour events to try to get a bag. I should of mentioned this in my last post because i guess this answers your question better on how to become a tour caddy. I actually have a friend that i met while caddying on tour that did not know anyone and did this and got a job. He went week to week until he got a bag all last season. He must have gone for 3 or 4 months without getting a bag. Well long story short he ended up getting a bag at the end of last year and he kept his job into this season and he actually just won (as a caddy) a couple weeks ago. Pretty cool. Most caddies are paid on a $1000, 5%-7%-10%. So 10% of a win is good cash.
  14. I have caddied in several tour events (PGA Tour & Nationwide Tour) for multiple different players and like the previous post said its all about who you know. Caddying is not my job and I have no aspiration of being a tour caddy. I am just fortunate to have several friends that play on tour and I have looped for them when they could not find anyone or were in between caddies or were playing in a event on a last minute kind of thing. I must say it is definitely fun but can be a lot of work too. I grew up playing highly competitive junior golf and played D1 college golf. I think to be able to caddy on the big tour or even the Nationwide tour the person needs to have played serious golf at one point or another. There are certain situations in tournaments where a caddy needs to have the right experience to be able to do what needs to be done. Its not as easy as one might think; show up, keep up & shut up. Maybe that works for a caddy at a private course or resort course, but on tour a caddy needs to know what's going on. I dont think the average golf would be able to caddy on tour unless they were educated on what needs to be done. Im not saying it wont be hard to learn but if a average 10 handicapper showed up on the 1st tee on Thursday at a tour event he would be completely lost out there.
  15. Mark Steinberg leaves IMGAnyone got any info on why M.Steinberg left IMG? Will Tiger & Annika follow him...?
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