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  1. The testing data doesn't support that sentiment for most swing speeds (I used to feel the way you do). Now having said that, I do feel the reason why the Pro V1 was longer for me a little prior to the latest Srixon may have to do with aerodynamics and roll out. Srixon made this new Z-Star more penetrating, mid-flight and it's more durable than the prior iteration. I've been using it now for about 6 weeks and have put up against the newest Pro V and Bridgestone RX, and XS. As is the case with the robot tests, I have found the B-stone XS and RX are a touch longer, but I would say the Srixon is right with the Pro V if not a tiny bit longer for me. I love the performance around the green and the predictability with every club in the bag. They found a nice balance of soft, responsive, good into the wind and durable as all get out. I've gotten over my Pro V1 envy with this last iteration of the Z-Star
  2. Wow- there is a lot in this I relate to. First is that I tend to play well with Pro V1's, which I have a theory about that! Second, I LOVE the feel of the RX off of the irons. Third, I found the XS to be longer than almost any other ball off the tee for me. I think Bridgestone is able to build some unique characteristics into their balls, and like with the Tiger ball, you can see how tailored it actually is. I think some people gravitate towards balls with extreme characteristics whereas I tend to gravitate towards the middle of the road. I have always said my best rounds have seemed to be playing Titleist, which I think there is confirmation bias because I was raised playing them. Also, Titleist makes great balls that do what they say they are going to do. Third, I think when you trust your equipment you play better. Fourth, the fear of losing a $4.00 object forces one to concentrate. Lastly- I know I have been guilty of saving Pro V1's (for example, I have two boxes in my office right now) for "when I am playing well enough to deserve them". That means my sample size with the Pro V1 is limited to good stretches of ball striking which creates the illusion that "my best rounds are with Titleist". I do think, the trajectory and roll out that the Pro V has provided added a couple of total yards with the driver, but I think this latest Z-Star has done something very similar and I am seeing that on the course (I've been tracking with Sky Caddie). A funny thing I've noticed is that when I am playing well any ball I am playing seems to be great. What I have found is that the Z-Star's are consistent and now are durable and have the trajectory and greenside control that I want. I got seven dozen for about 35 per dozen, which it just feels better to lose $3.00 instead of $4.00, hahah. I feel that the Z-star has slightly less spin, which for me is great. If I wasn't playing the Z-star it would be the XS. I love the ProV1 but I feel like I am driving a Bentley to a tractor pull when I use them.
  3. Yes- That is so true- Having some idea of what's going on in front of and behind the flag is a big deal
  4. No the XS (Tiger ball). I think it's a great ball, at times it spins a lot with irons but as MGS noted, it occupies a niche space I guess because Tiger was crucial in the design. The B RX is a great ball in that it's long with the irons and does well in the wind, but it lacks predictable spin. There are times when I have been so glad I am playing the ball because it's great off the tee, going for a par 5 in two etc... but if I need to finesse a shot into a green I have to plan a little bit for a touch of roll, which is not a necessarily a bad thing.
  5. Yeah I think ultimately the hybrid approach is probably the very pinnacle for non-pros- I know it sounds weird but I can play guitar and tie flies but I just can's seem to get along with range finders.
  6. Yeah-the fumbling with the rangefinder! Total buzzkill to me when it comes to visualizing shot and thinking about scenarios! Good point.
  7. My thinking leading up to the decision to buy an SX 400: I've been researching shot tracking solutions, range finders and GPS devices for a while now. I'm a single digit 49 year old that likes Boars Head Honey Maple Turkey and plain Lays chips, but I digress. I had a Skycaddie SG2.5 and you couldn't kill that thing. Then I got a Garmin watch and a G10. I have two courses that I mainly play and a couple of others. Recently my wife and I went to Austin and I was fortunate to play some new courses. One of those was Avery Ranch, and had I not had a member with me, guiding me, I would have shot 10 strokes worse. I bought a yardage book before the round and between my new friend and that I was able to navigate pretty well. I got to thinking, what can I do to really help my game? Am I playing my home course optimally? I have an Apple Watch and iPhone 11, so I tried 18 Birdies walking 18 the other day. I had my Garmin G10 to check what I was seeing with the 18 Birdies app. I quickly learned that I HATE fitzing about with technology while I'm playing- I mean HATE it. I also hated being interrupted by notices on my watch, texts, etc... The battery drain on phones and watches is a real thing with constant GPS. I feel a dedicated golf device, that has battery life of two rounds or more is better than combining the my life and phone notification world with golf. The Skycaddie hardware I've had has been rock solid as opposed to my Garmin watch which died- although that can happen to any company. Although Arccos and Shotscope are probably great shot tracking, I care more about detailed information about the course and being able to adjust line of sight with yardages and shape of green etc... for me, I want to concentrate on strategy on the course. Why I don't like rangefinders for playing on course: Some of the guys I play with have rangefinders. I wanted to like them. They frustrate me more than help. Trying to steady my hands; what am I really pinging? Yes I know there are super-nice units that help with those things but then for me, using a range finder doesn't put me in a playing mentality. Telling me the distance to one object or hump is in my opinion a very narrow view of playing golf, and creates more questions than answers. Ok the mound on the front of the green is 144 yards but how much distance between there and the pin? What if I go over the pin? How many feet are on the back of that? What is over the back of the green? What miss is the least catastrophic? A range finder tells you none of those things. What about shot tracking and statistics that will help your game?: Would I like to know strokes gained from the tee etc..? Sure, but for me, the thing that is going to be the most impactful to my score is my ability to have confidence in scenarios a, b and c and to spend most of my round thinking my way around the course that way. I believe making these "sweet calculations of wind etc..." help to keep me closer to being in a performance zone. I have concluded that if I look at tendencies like which way do I miss when I do, etc... needs to be away from the round and probably on a computer, not an iPhone or iPad. Also, I pretty much know what I need to work on because I am very intentional about answering questions in practice. Could some detailed analysis help, sure. Things like, putts per green in regulation and proximity to the hole with certain clubs. But, to me, if I pay attention to basic shot tracking I will be able to confirm that all other things equal, my 3 wood is a weapon and I score better from the fairway than I do the rough or woods. I thought about Arrcos and Shot Scope, but I trust the yardages of the Skycaddie more and I believe the detailed information on the SX400 will help my scores and enjoyment of the game more than just pure shot tracking. Skycaddie 360, while not the nicest or robust statistics app, will serve the purpose I need. So what then? For the way I think, being able to have a caddie/yardage book approach to a golf course is going to help me the most. The technology on the SX400 is such that I can quickly answer the questions that I would ask a professional caddie on the course. I know what you are thinking! But Noel, it's known that even the best GPS devices can be 3-10 yards off depending on conditions. Let me say that on balance, I have a lot of confidence in Skycaddie yardages after comparing to other GPS and rangefinders. Even if it's 5 yards off, you can account for those tolerances in your strategy IF you have a yardage book approach as opposed to a point and shoot approach. Most of the time, I have found GPS units to be within 1-3 yards of rangefinders. I still say having information right there, right now, when you walk up on your ball is better than pointing and shooting things with no real visual framework. Say the unit says I have 133, 148, and 159 front, middle back. I can move the pointer to a spot along that line (the green will adjust to line of play) and say, ok if I hit my stock 9 iron what happens? What if I hit my not so good 9 iron? What if I nut it at the top of my range? I can factor in a couple yards plus or minus and come up with a strategy that gives me confidence. Harvey Penick said it's more important for most players to have full confidence over a shot than to be 100% correct about exact yardage and perfect club selection. If you are a club off but hit a great shot, you are probably going to be somewhat ok. Having the dynamic yardage information helps all of this. What about fees and subscriptions? You are pretty much going to pay (Shotscope excluded) for data tracking etc... I care about the quality of the course mapping and the ability to have straightforward, detailed information on the course that I can see with my middle-aged eyes. The stats, while interesting and important, are secondary to me. The Sky 360 app will be just fine for me. I can go back and review a shot by shot graphical recap of my shots in a round, and that's really all I need. Missing right or left, short or long, proximity to the hole, etc... are important. One statistic that I am interested in is approach game and around the green strokes gained. I knew my wedge game sucked and I worked on it, then it started to become a strength. How detailed do I need to get to know that? I think there is a point of diminishing returns for someone who processes information like I do. I think for me, learning to think this way is the most important thing: If there is a part of the game that seems to be a problem, in what WAY is it a problem? One issue with my wedge game was decision making about club and shot. So knowing, I lose strokes here is great but to me, the question is always WHY are you losing strokes? Is it purely a technique issue? Is it decision making? Is it mental, like you fear something about these shots, like fairway bunkers? Are you missing putts short on your home course short because you have been putting on fast greens and haven't adjusted or are you not making good contact with the putter? OR are worried so much about the line that you don't concentrate on speed? These are the questions I like to answer in practice. Conclusion: In researching this I have learned that we are all a little different and what will actually help us play better and enjoy the game more is different. Technology is a great thing if used in a way that stays out of the way of the golfer. I learned how much technology tolerance I have for tracking and statistics and that is very low. I did not enjoy playing dealing with that. I want dedicated, simple to use device that I know I can trust to help me strategize around the course with confidence no matter where I am on the course. Being able to go back and look at the round from a birds eye view is great too, but knowing my range of yardages is the main thing for me along with answering questions in practice about what I see in a round. My mentality is that I want to know within a range what are the potential outcomes. If I clear that bend in the fairway how many yards to the bunker behind it? What happens over on the right side? If I miss over there, what's there? Will I be blocked by trees? That's how I see and enjoy golf and when I have confidence that within my quality of shot range there is a low chance something catastrophic will happen, that sends my confidence through the roof. It's fun to play chess on the course. If you are a pro, and you are looking for fractions of strokes and competing against other pros, I can see why strokes gained minutia would be so important. For me, I take stock of lots of things in a round and become aware of patterns because I think that way. I knew that my 25-120 yard game was killing my scores but the question as to why was nuanced and required lots of thought and question answering practice. I learned that decision making was the primary cause. I know that 3 putt avoidance is a big deal. But putting is not always a putting problem, sometimes it's a proximity to the hole problem- or a I ended up on the wrong tier of the green problem. This is why a yardage book approach makes so much sense to me. I can tell you the number of times that I walked off the course after shooting say 80 knowing that I left at least 5-6 stupid strokes out there, just with things like missing on the wrong side or landing on a false front etc.. Confidence plays such a part in how I play. What are your experiences?
  8. Single digit 49 year old who was playing Z-star for the most part until discovering the Bridgestone Tour B RX and BX S. Sometimes I get a wild hair and buy Pro V1's, and even though I think the most recent Pro V is incredible and may be the perfect ball for me, I struggle with the concept of losing $4.00 when I lose one. I know people debate about the cost of the ball, but I feel like I am eating White Castle on Waterford Crystal sometimes when using a Pro V1's and losing one. I felt that the Z-star 6 (2019) model was less durable than previous versions and this is what turned me off from them. I had gotten really good deals with those but the durability was not great. The new Pro V1 is pretty dang durable and I wondered if the new Z-star would be too. I've now used the 2021 Z-star in three rounds and I am so glad to say that it's fantastic. It's probably the perfect ball for me. Not a ton of spin off the driver but noticeable drop and stop with wedges AND-it's more durable than the prior iteration for me. I was able to use one ball for an 18 hole round which is great. The ball seems to travel a long way and is extremely predictable. I am so pleased because Srixon seemed to address issues and be very intentional about the characteristics with the ball. This last round I started developing serious confidence with the wedges and hit some of the best drop and stop wedge shots that I can remember. I am all Srixon in my bag now except for my putter- I was hitting my F85 3 wood off the tee a lot and I experienced what I am going to call Srixon Nirvana- the marriage of equipment characteristics and on course performance leading to a quiet confidence. I can count on the ball to move but not be too spinny with driver or three wood, but where I really get a chubby is on and around the green. The ball feels and sounds great and responds beautifully. I had been praying for a ball like the Bridgestone Tour B RX and XS in one ball and I think that I found it. It's like a Pro V1 with slightly less spin-
  9. Now that I’ve lived with the ZX 5’s a minute I can say I freaking love them. They are consistent and forgiving and they look amazing my 4 iron is a weapon now
  10. I have Srixon F65, H65 and 565 driver i now have 585 driver and F85 3 wood- has anyone compared the 65 series with either the 85 or ZX hybrids/fairway woods? I’m curious if there is a distance or forgiveness improvement with the newer models. My feeling is that the 585 driver sounds better than the 65, and the f85 3 wood sounds different and is a rocket launcher. If the hybrids are similar I think it might be worth upgrading. Any thoughts?
  11. I just loved the look of the ZX5’s so much and the MPF was in the 600’s so I thought let’s roll
  12. Head and shaft in China. I have the F65, and H65's and they were all made in Japan I believe- the Miyazaki shaft is for sure made in Japan. I bought the 85 3 wood online, I assume it's not fake just made in a different place than my F's and my ZX5 irons?
  13. Me too- I saw a combo set in person and I preferred the look of the ZX5's. I haven't experienced any crazy power episodes either. I will say though that coming from my i200's it took a minute to recalibrate carry distances. The ZX5's are rocket launchers. I had the 765's and they were plenty forgiving for me, so I assumed I was going to get the ZX7's but I love my 5's ALOT, like ALOT
  14. You will love them- they are forged(ish) rocket launchers that look and feel amazing. I love them to death
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