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  1. If you have an incorrect lie angle in your irons, what affect (tendency to draw or fade) might that have? Does having too much of a flat lie angle have a specific affect? Does having too much of an upright lie angle have a specific affect? If you believe an incorrect lie angle has a definite affect, how much (degrees) does it take to make a real difference? Let me know what your experience and wisdom believes on this topic, thanks!   

  2. On 10/4/2020 at 11:13 AM, rynobucket said:

    I've bought sets in both of these conditions. Average had significant face wear, bag chatter and browning on most of the forged clubs. The 'good' clubs had a fair bit of wear as well, no browning (I believe heads were stainless, so...). What irked me about the clubs in good condition was that the shafts were not original (clearly stated in listing) and look like they were installed by a 6 year old. There was tip was prepped above the ferrules, large gaps between ferrules and head that had been filled in with epoxy, and the lengths were all over the board.

    On a side note, my main beef with CPO (and Global Golf) is that unless the club has a color code they seem to list everything as standard loft/lie. I have gotten many clubs from them that have been adjusted 2-3* (normally upright for some reason) as well as some being either an inch short or long. In my last experience, I had to pay return shipping because a wedge arrived extremely upright and I wasn't going to risk having it be bent back. I'm not saying every club needs to be measured on a machine, but you should be able to hold a club in playing position and notice that it is way off standard spec.

    Thank you rynobucket!

  3. 6 hours ago, Taylormadehunter1 said:

    I just swapped over from the Modus 120x to Recoil 110 F5 shafts in my irons due to pain in my elbows. It was just this week so I haven’t had a lot of opportunity to hit the Recoils yet, but the little bit I have used them the feel has been very close to what I had with the Modus shafts. Just way less shock and vibration in my elbows. 

    Thank you Taylormadehunter1!  

  4. 4 hours ago, stoneydukes said:

    I also have similar numbers to you, perhaps a bit quicker and play to a 9 index currently. I have been through about 8-10 sets of irons over the past 4-5 seasons looking for the grail set. Modus 120s felt most comfortable to me in many of those sets while also trying and liking DG105, NS PRO 1050GH, and a couple AMT sets. I'm currently gaming a set of MP20 HMBs with Recoil 110 F4 that I built myself. The recoils are really great feeling. Never sore after a round and don't feel loose to me at all. My build goes from D1.5 in the 4i to D3 in the PW and the shafts were between 100-105g cut for reference. I have hit the lighter recoils on occasion and also like the feel but have never gamed them. 

    Currently have a set of 747P on the way with modus 120s and I'm also hoping that the shafts get the ball up in the air due to the stronger lofts on that model. I typically don't have any issues with spinning the ball back on the MP20s, much more of a drop and stop on my approach.

    Thank you for the great info stoneydukes! Do you remember what specific "lighter" Recoils you tried (760, 780, 460, 470,...)? Do you remember what you found different from the lighter Recoils to the 110s (or 95s if you tried them)? Do they all feel smooth? Do some seem more lively/better kick? Any details are greatly appreciated. I also don't seem to have a problem spinning most of these stronger lofted clubs. I know because I have picked up a few 7 irons in different brands, models and shaft combos, and hit them on the range and course... but I am still somewhat concerned with launch angle/peak height?  

  5. 10 hours ago, dalillama47 said:

    I went from Modus Tour 120's to the Recoil 95 F4 soft stepped once.  Pretty similar driver and iron swing speed numbers as you.  Took about a month to get comfortable with the weight change, but they've been in the bag almost 2 years now with no regrets.  SF's were nice in both weights, but felt harsh compared to the Recoils, and I tried them in R flex.  I do have the Recoil 110's  F4's in my wedges for a little more weight, and really like that.  I may try in my next set, not sure the F4 110's in the irons.

    Thank you dalilama47! The Recoils seem to be the favorite so far, and for reference it's good to know you have similar swing numbers. 

  6. 12 hours ago, jeffrey r said:

    So many good options.  When I was fit at CC this past winter, I demo'd SF 95/110, and Recoil 95/110 (I believe all in regular flex).  SF 110 gave me the best numbers and performance, followed by the two 95's, and then the Recoil 110 lagging behind.  Having now come to enjoy the Recoil 95, I would not be opposed to giving the Recoil 110 another chance, ideally out on the course and not indoors on a monitor.


    At the time, I didn't realize there were other good options like MMT 90/105, Accra, Catalyst 100, etc.  But obviously, the Steelfibers and Recoils are terrific shafts anyway.


    Long story short, it took me some time to get used to the SF 110, but once comfortable with them, they have been great.  I now also have iron sets with SF 95 (R) and Recoil 95 (F4-stiff), and those are terrific as well.  I've hit SF FC90, which are smoother than the 95/110, but not sure if the performance is as good for me.  I've even liked MMT 80 stiff in 0211 irons.  Bottom line, there are so many good premium options in graphite these days, there really should be a good fit for just about everyone (even in the heavier weights).


    And, every time I have gone back to steel, my pain generally comes back...  Graphite FTW.  YMMV.

    Thank you jeffrey r for the great info about your experiences with the graphite shafts! 

  7. 12 hours ago, Pepperturbo said:

    Due to medical issues I played and enjoyed Steelfiber i110cw "S" (110g) shafts for nearly a year.  Tested Steelfiber i95 "S" but too lite for my tempo and liked MMT 105 "S' except I couldn't justify full-set cost after buying 620 irons.  I tested Steelfiber FC too, but they were not much different to me.  Overall, though, graphite did exactly what I had hoped, tempered impact and vibration while adding back some distance I had lost due to medical issues.   Fortunately, that issue has been addressed, so I was able to go back to steel. 


    Finding the right graphite shaft and swing weight was my big challenge, as they are influenced by head and grip weight.


    Only instead of my old tried and true PX 6.0, 120g, I went with PX 5.5 115g in 3-SW and gained back a bit more distance and feel.  I still have i95cw in my 2iron though.  Best part the weight of 5.5 steel is 115g not only feels nice, it works nicely with my 620MB's, and somewhat accommodates my quick tempo better.  One of the bothersome things I noticed with graphite, challenging to feel the head.

    Thank you Pepperturbo! 

  8. I am searching for a new set of irons, and was originally planning on getting a set with Nippon (Modus3 Tour 105s or NS Pro 950s) shafts. Just before making a purchase I had some new pain and soreness (59) that have led me to decide I should get graphite shafts in whatever new iron set I get. I love the Nippon shafts I previously mentioned, so if anyone knows any graphite shafts comparable (especially relating to getting a mid to high launch) to those please let me know.

    For reference my swingspeed is about 95 with my driver and low 80s with my 7 iron, I have a long, smooth swing and am presently about an 8 hdcp. I am probably getting a set of new irons that has stronger lofts (mainly looking at Mavriks, Mavrik Pros,and Honma 747Ps) that usually seem to produce lower launch angles and less spin. I usually hit my irons (old Srixon I302s with Rifle 5.5s) with a mid launch/flight and that has worked well with those Srixons, but I should probably get shafts that help get the ball a little higher with the new irons I will purchase. 

    From my first research I am presently intrigued by: UST Mamiya Recoil shafts; TT Project X Catalyst shafts (definitely the most available with the Mavrik irons); the Aerotech SteeelFiber FC shafts; and the Honma Vizard shafts (since they are easily found with the 747Ps). Please let me know what you think of the graphite shafts I have mentioned or if you have other possibilities for me to consider. Be safe and have a great day!

  9. 10 hours ago, jimb said:

    I have owned both, at the same time.  Actually I bought the Apex Pro 19s first and then decided to tinker.  It's in my nature.  I started picking up some used Apex CF19 individual irons on CPO to create my own mixed set.  I actually completed the set and eventually sold them on eBay.  As far as playing the Apex 19 felt almost as good as the Pros.  Just a little more of a click sound and a tiny bit firmer feel.  However, they were very playable for me.


    The Apex Pros 19 are actually relatively forgiving.  The Apex CF19 may be marginally more forgiving.  I did a re-shaft on the Apex CF19 with KBS Tours (R+) and liked that combo in them.  I had the Apex Pro 19s reshafted as well and had the Nippon Modus 105s in them in stiff.

    Thank you for your reply jimb! Your thoughts should help me make my decision. How do you like the Pros with the Nippon 105s in them? 

  10. 10 hours ago, Dawgdude said:

    So, please take my info with a grain of salt, as I am going through a lot with my swing and have only been back playing for about 2.5 months now.  


    I have both sets (bought used here, one with Ctaper 130X and one with Modus 3 130X).  The feel really isn't that different: the Apex will have a little more feel on mis-hits and the Pro lets you know it, just like the cavity backed blade type it is.  


    Distance: I have the Pro dot (weaker lofts) and the Apex is fairly strong: I would say + 5 yards compared to my Mizuno MMC.  The Pro dot is about 5 yards weaker than the MMC-10 yards vs the Apex.  Does this matter?  No, not really.  The Apex Dot for me is about 170-175 on a good swing 7-iron (92mph swing speed) whereas the MMC is 175-180 and the Apex usually flies 180+. I have carried it well over 190.  


    Accuracy: I couldn't tell a difference, but I am not quite at a point to do so.  My misses are bad misses (think 50 yards short) and no club is saving me there.  The most consistent club I have is the MMC, but that could be due to the shafts too (DG 120 100x).  They both go straight when hit well.  If you have a good swing, you have a good swing: I haven't found an appreciable difference in any of these top-end irons.  Any issues are user error, not equipment error.  


    I did find on a monitor that the Pro dot gets the nod with spin. MMC is close behind. Apex has a lot less spin.  Depending on your game, that may or may not matter.   Yesterday I played the MMC and I had backspin on every long iron green hit.  It was great to see a 175 yard 7-iron stop and spin back a couple of feet on a pretty tight pin placement.  


    Again, this is coming from someone who is capable of hitting 2/3 of GIR from back tees but also susceptible to bad mistakes and shooting 100.   I have had enough well-struck balls with these to know they are all very good clubs.  The Mizuno feels the best however; striking that well is like listening to an uplifting part of Vivaldi's "Four Seasons".  

    Thank you DawgDude! I think I got the main ideas you are trying to make and that helps solidify my thinking. 

  11. I am in the process of searching for a set of Callaway Apex 19 irons with Nippon Modus3 Tour 105 stiff shafts. They are difficult to find, and I have thought about considering and have been offered an Apex 19 Combo set (4-7 are Apex 19s and 8-AW are Apex Pro 19s) with that shaft. I have hit the Apex 19s and am very comfortable in getting these, but I have not had the chance to hit the Apex Pro, so I am very hesitant. My main question is for those who have hit both or have a combo set, what are the similarities and differences? How much harder are the Pros to hit? Is the technology in each similar enough so they go similar and consistent distances and ball flights? Any thoughts and ideas are greatly appreciated!  

  12. On 8/20/2020 at 8:43 AM, Freddie said:

    I've played the Callaway Apex Pro/Apex 19 combo's with the Elevate Tours for almost 2 years now and love them.  A good 1-2 clubs longer than my Titleist AP2 718's and with great feel.  Love the Apex line!  Recently tested the Mizuno HMB and MP20 MB and the Mizuno optimizer recommended the Modus 105S.  I bought them as a back up to the Apex.  Too light for me (94-98 driver SS, 82-84 6i SS) and I was inconsistent.  I swapped with the Modus 120s and it's a big difference for me, much better.  Great mid to high ball flight (for me), much better dispersion/consistency, and great feel.  The 120's far and away better for me.  The 114g wt seems a good fit for me.  I would think the Modus 120s and Apex would be a great match.  Good luck!  FYI, recently did a Club Champion iron fit to try other shafts and heads and the Modus 120s came out on top again (for me).

    Thank you Freddie! Your swing numbers seem a lot like mine, and your experience with the Apex irons and these shafts should really help me in making a decision.  

  13. On 8/19/2020 at 1:23 AM, JLo_73 said:

    Very happy with my 585 with Modus 105s.  I was in between these and 120S.  Been working with a very knowledgeable fitter and he understands my swing and what I am working on.  Traditionally I have been playing a heavier X flex and last set was Apex/Pro combo set with Project x 6.5.   Only 2 rounds in but very happy with how much easier it’s been to hit greens and feel like I can swing much easier. I was a little skeptical about going with the lighter shaft but really happy with my decision.  Good luck!

    Thank you JLo_73 for your keen and helpful insight! 

  14. 1 hour ago, toddmanley said:


    Same thing here - the 1150 is really smooth and if memory serves me right I think I might have a set of the old Maxfli Revolution Black Dot's in the garage with the 950's.  Both are great feeling shafts that I wouldn't have tried had it not been for the clubfitter dialing things in as I tried a bunch of different shafts.

    Thank you toddmanley! I had a similar experience with having an old set of Precept irons that had the original 950GHs in them and I will always remember how smooth they were and how nice and easy they were to hit with.  

  15. 2 hours ago, Nessism said:

    Based on your info I'd say get the 105's.  They launch medium high and are fairly light.  Just the thing for someone with a 95 mph driver swing.


    Both the Apex and 585's are super nice.  Flip a coin choices.  You can't go wrong.

    Thanks Nessism! The 105s are probably first on my list exactly because of what you said (launch medium high and are fairly but not too light), but it might come down to what I can find a good deal on first. I have hit both the Apex's and 585s  indoors, and both felt great with good numbers. They have similar lofts, but I consistently hit the Apex irons 5-10 yards further with similar spin numbers and with slightly higher peak heights, so I am leaning toward them. The problem is they are more expensive and it is much harder to find the Apex irons with Nippon shafts, or to find just heads for sale, or to get them cheap enough with any shafts in order to change them out with Nippons. I can easily find the Srixons with Nippon shafts since that is their stock shaft... so I am looking for a set of Apex's first, but I am not sure how patient I will be, especially as I see good deals on the Srixons go by.     

  16. 3 minutes ago, Nat said:

    I have a set of the 950 GH stiff, 5-PW pulls, I am selling. 370 tip. Let me know if interested 

    I play the same shaft in reg flex. Terrific shafts - very smooth feel, mid trajectory

    Thanks Nat... I will definitely keep that in mind if I am not able to find anything with the set up (shafts)  I want. Have a great day! 


  17. 35 minutes ago, Exactice808 said:

    Hey OP! Not exactly the same shafts but close, I did a specific work up with some what similar options.


    I had X100's in my 714 AP2's a while back was looking for less demanding shafts as I was getting beat up and fatigued.  I had the Modus3 120 in mind.  I did the fitting... We settled on the NSPro 1150GH in stiff.  A pretty drastic difference in shaft from X100.  on top of the 15gr difference (130 to 115gr) The shaft flex of X to Stiff and the feel (softness of the Nippoin vs the harshness of the X100)


    The flight/height was pretty dramatic ,  I hit the Nippon's quite a bit higher, almost 10ft higher.  on average. from the X100s.  IT did spin a little bit more but again offset by the height.  It does tend to balloon more than the original X100 but the effort to load the shaft and keeping a more smooth tempo reduced personally my dispersion back then when I was playing just the AP2's


    The biggest issue is feeling, it "Feels" soft to flex but it isnt.  The distance dispersion is 3yards longer than the X100  but again a decent increase in peak height.  It gets up to height faster rather than the rising climb in the prior shafts.



    side note,  reason I chose the NSpro1150 GH over the Modus? $15 per shaft  and availability.  VS performance, I got near Identical performance with the 2 shafts, but the NSPro's are way more available (didnt have to special order) and it was $15 cheaper at $30 per shaft vs $45 per shaft with the Modus.  (installed)


    I dont have any regrets at this time and I still alternate with the AP2's in the modus with my current games ever so often to spice things up.  



    Thank you for some great and detailed information! From your info and other sources I have come across I will most likely be good with the Nippon Modus 3 Tour 120s... since I am staying in a similar flex (firm in Rifles to stiff in the 120s) the flight for me might a little higher, which is what I think I will want with the stronger lofted Apex's (and most iron sets these days). have a great day!   

  18. 25 minutes ago, hobbstc said:

    Interesting you ask this. I play Titleist 735cm with the original Rifle Flighted 5.5.  Trying new irons, I fell in love with the Modus 105 Stiff in the Srixon 585 and 785 heads.  Felt close to what I currently play and makes me want that shaft for my next irons. 

    Thanks hobbstc! That sounds very familiar. When I used to play a lot (about 15 years ago) and got my Srixon I-302s with 5.5 Rifles I also had a set of Precepts with Nippon NS Pro 950GHs. I loved my Srixons and ended up with them being my gamer, but I never forgot the feeling hitting those Precepts with their wonderful, smooth, almost effortless feel. So, of course now that I am getting back into playing more I want to get a set of irons with some Nippons in them!   

  19. I am thinking of getting a set of Callaway Apex 19 forged irons and I want to have Nippon shafts in them. The most likely possible Nippon shafts are: NS Pro 950GHs, NS Pro Modus 3 Tour 105s, or NS Pro Modus 3 Tour 120s. I want to make sure I can get the ball in the air enough to take advantage of the Apex's strengths. I have a 95mph (ish) driver swing speed, and I would say I normally hit the ball at a mid (not low or high) flight with my present irons (Srixon I-302s with Rifle 5.5s)... yeh that's why I need a new set of irons, still in good shape, but they are about 15 years old. So if anyone has experience with any of the aforementioned Nippon shafts, please let me know how you think they affect the "flight" (height) of the ball. 

    As a secondary question, I am also considering (but the Apex's are presently way in front in my mind) Srixon Z-585s and Honma TW 747P irons, so if you have any opinions about those please let me know. 

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