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  1. 4 minutes ago, rgk5 said:

    My four hybrid.

     

    Me too. And it shouldn't be. I have SL clubs so my 4h should be the exact same swing as every other damn club. 

     

    At 37.5", the clubs are the same length as the 9i of my old set. So I should be able to just perfectly hit the 4h if I "just swing like a 9i". 

     

    But I see that clubhead down there, and I get the idea into my mind that I'm swinging for distance, and I just try to hit too hard, and it usually ends badly. I start swinging like it's a fairway wood, when I should be swinging like a 9i. 

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  2. On 12/24/2018 at 7:40 AM, J2putts said:

    I've always kinda felt like my driver swing speed is a bit slow in comparison to other clubs in my bag. My 7 iron S.S on trackman is consistently 82-84 mph. I see the occasional 85-86 when my 44 yr old body is feeling real good. In comparison ...my driver swing speed is usually sitting on 98 mph ... occasionally I touch 100-101. Am I totally off on my thinking ?

     

    Sounds pretty close to me. I'm 43, so we're in the same ballpark age wise. 

     

    I don't have a ton of Trackman time. So I'm only so-so on how accurate the numbers below are.

     

    I was fitted for SL irons based (mostly) on a 37" shaft, so traditional 7i length, and my speeds were in the 85 mph range. I think I was overswinging a little bit in the fitting so I'm probably closer to 83 mph on a stock swing with that length. 7i distance (32* loft with a 37.5") shaft is 170. 

     

    At the end of the fitting I'd just gotten a new driver and the guy was nice enough to let me take some swings with it, and I was right in the 98-99 mph range after having slammed 70ish balls in a little over an hour and was pretty tired. So I figure my driver swing speed is right around 100 on a stock swing, which is consistent with my distance, about 265 and maybe a little over 270 if I really get a hold of one. 

     

  3. On 11/20/2021 at 9:18 PM, jay9 said:

     

    2) some has raised questions about my coach - potentially that could be the case. In the first 2-3 months he kept asking me to get fit (aware he is also a ping ‘ambassador’ / has affiliation with

    3) I’m certain I have swing faults - till date I have trouble using 6 iron consistently (not to mention long irons - impossible to launch for me). Will need to practise more and get better quality advices.

     

     

    2) Fire your coach. Find someone better. Even with lack of regular playing and practice, to not be hitting farther than you are means that your conception of the swing is 100% wrong, and your coach isn't fixing that. After this long, he's a dud. 

     

    3) With your driver/7i distances, you have extremely low swing speed. With extremely low swing speed, you simply CANNOT launch long irons effectively enough. Those clubs are useless for you until you fix your swing. 

     

    It's VERY common for novice golfers to have a completely wrong conception of how to generate speed in a golf swing. The key to power is properly sequencing a number of movements of the body that effectively "crack a whip" where the clubhead is the end of the whip. It's also sometimes described as a kinetic chain. Essentially if you think of hips/chest/arms/hands/clubhead like the fat to thin part of a whip, in order to generate speed you're building energy with the big parts progressively transferring that energy to the smaller parts such that all that energy coalesces at the point where the clubhead meets the ball. Strength and fitness helps, but SEQUENCE is the key. 

     

    If you're only driving 160, that MUST mean that your conception and execution of the swing is not even close to proper sequence. It's not fitness--I have a buddy who just took up the game and he's mid-30s, overweight, and unathletic. He had major distance problems until he took lessons and his coach could actually teach him proper movement and now he's easily hitting driver in the 230 range. That fix occurred over ~5-6 lessons in the span of less than 10 weeks.

     

    It was basic novice stuff, and apparently your coach is incapable of doing it. 

     

    Fire your coach immediately. Find someone better. This IS fixable. 

  4. 12 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

    I completely get what you are saying and agree with you for the most  part.  I always keep my score mostly to document how many rounds of golf that I am getting in but I know that I can hit it good or bad and score good or bad on any given day but I also keep my stats to show the true reflection of how I am playing.  I will say that from my experience the more important factor isn't actually keeping score or trying to protect it, it is the amount of golf that you play.  For the better part of the last decade I only get to play golf for three months per year due to the nature of my work and I was super protective of my score and a very defensive player when I knew that I was only going to get to play 4 or 5 times and then it was back to work.  Conversely I made huge strides in my game when I was in between jobs and got to play 179 rounds over the course of 6 months. I knew that I was going to play again tomorrow, or even later on that day, and that unleashed the "shot maker, baller, swinger, hitting machine" that you spoke and made me more in tune with the aggressive golfer instead of being so defensive.  I then learned to blend aggression and defense within a given round and became better for it.  

     

     

    For me, I don't play golf often enough to play "practice rounds". I pretty much get to play 18 every other weekend, and try to get range time and maybe the occasional 9 hole exec course outside of that. Luckily I live in an area with a 12-month golf season, so at least I don't have to shut it down for winter. 

     

    I play with full foursomes on muni courses most of the time, on weekends, so I don't have the opportunity to "drop 3 balls from the fairway" and try different shots. It would screw up pace of play.

     

    If I could play more golf and actually deliberately use some rounds as "practice rounds", I would. I just don't really have that luxury right now.  

     

    3 hours ago, Itsjustagame said:

    Of course you aren't really playing golf at all if you aren't keeping score. Agree that practicing on the course is far better than hitting range balls.

     

    And that's what Barf seems to be advocating. If you go into a round with the express objective to play a "practice round", then your score doesn't and shouldn't matter. It's like a driving range session to work on expanding your skill set, without really having to worry about results. 

     

    After all, PGA tour professionals don't keep score during their practice rounds before a tournament. They can't. They're trying to see the lay of the land, taking multiple shots from various places on the course, putting multiple times on the same green to see if there are areas which roll differently than they look, etc. I'd venture that most of those players don't keep score when practicing on their home courses either--they're practicing shots and trying to accomplish certain tasks. It's not like PGA players need to "maintain an index" lol. 

     

    If you're not keeping score, you're practicing. If you embrace practicing to the fullest, it's about working on skills that maybe you don't get a chance to EITHER on the range or during real rounds. 

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  5. On 11/20/2021 at 2:35 PM, eric61 said:

    My thought process is generally the opposite of this -- not just in golf, but generally speaking, on my clothes, my gear, or whatever, I just don't like to have a lot of obvious branding unless that brand is paying me for it (I suck at golf, so that's never gonna happen), gave it to me for free or I have some sort of strong connection to it, like a sports team I've followed for decades, for example.

     

     

    Yeah, same exact thing for me. Most of my normal clothing has no obvious branding. I can't imagine wearing a shirt that had a giant "Ralph Lauren" or "Polo" or whatever logo on it, unless [like you] they're paying me to wear it or giving it to me for free. I don't want to pay to advertise for them. I DO have a lot of t-shirts that are either brewery logos or are Purdue related, but the former are companies that I support because I like what they do, and the latter is my alma mater. I make the deliberate choice in that case because of a connection. 

     

    I'm the guy on the course with the Purdue headcovers and golf towel, rather than the branded headcovers that came with the clubs 😉 

     

    Of course, I'm also the guy on the course playing Wishon [who?] irons, Sub70 [who?] wedges, and Snell [who?] MTB-X golf balls. So... Clearly not a brand snob lol.

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  6. @bortass Yeah, I actually did end up buying Monte's UTB 2.0 and saw his lesson on the hybrid chip... Still haven't tried it though. 

     

    My speed control was off with this last round, but it's an area I've done well on in other rounds. I don't know what was up with me at the time. 

     

    But I agree with you, short game and putting is where I need to spend my time, and they're not doing well because it's where I'm not spending my time. 

  7. On 6/22/2021 at 11:05 PM, D_iGital_pUnk said:

    I play right handed but write, tennis, 8 ball, left handed. Then again I throw a ball right handed but bowl in cricket left handed. Have no dominant hand in darts, and kick left footed.

     

    This amounts to being fairly average at all of the above and having no idea why my golf swing sucks.

     

     

    LOL... Not that different here.

     

    I write left handed, prefer left-handed scissors, chop vegetables and all my knife work when cooking is left-handed. Most detail work for me in any sense is left-handed. I kick left-footed and I'm left-eye dominant.

     

    I also throw right-handed, play golf right-handed, swing a bat right-handed, and grew up doing martial arts and my right hand is my "power" hand throwing punches (left leg is my power leg, though). My right arm is definitely the stronger arm. 

     

    So... I'm a mess.

  8. I did similar for my son last year, he was 13 at the time as well. He's tall for his age but he hasn't really grown the muscle mass in for his frame, so adult weight clubs would probably be too much for him.

     

    I ended up finding a used set on Craigslist of senior clubs. Graphite shafts, so they're lighter and better for his swing speed, and I think I got the entire set (driver, fairways, full iron and wedges set, and a putter, with a bag) for $100 or a little less. The bag was trashed, so I had to replace that, but it was still a great deal.

     

    So I'd look used; should be a lot easier to find now that maybe the COVID golf boom is receding. If you can find junior clubs used, then go for it, but if you can't, senior clubs will be a better weight/flex for a 13 year old. 

  9. 14 hours ago, Snowman9000 said:


    The difference is that most of the companies do not really think you should be playing alternative lengths based on your size.  IMO of course.  Possibly you hit the 37.5 better because of the higher swing weight, not the length.

     

    In conversation with Tom Wishon via the comments section on his site, he generally thinks that a variance of +1" to -1" on the EQ1 to be within acceptable range, and because of my height and WTF (6'5", 40") measurements, I'm on that outlier side that would probably benefit from extra length. Of course he does say that there are swing weight implications of that. 

     

    For me, 36.5" just feels too short. I do fine with it on wedge swings (although my current wedges aren't even that short; I play them at 36.75"), but I don't think I would do well with it for "full" swings. I have a comfort level with a little bit longer club and feel less compressed and more able to swing athletically. 

     

    9 hours ago, Rich Douglas said:

    A club fitter can add or remove some weight to get the desired swing weight.

     

    You can also change the weight of the grip. And if you really want to lower the swing weight, you can counterbalance the clubs.

     

    Swing weight and strength really don't correlate. Swing weight has nothing to do with static weight, which might matter to very strong or very weak people. Might. But what matters is how they feel to you. Clubs at the same swing weight can feel radically different if they have different static weights.

     

    When I switched from steel to graphite shafts (going from Sterling to EQ1-NX), I went with the same swing weight I'd always used: D1.5. But they ended up feeling too light (because they were). So I switched to a lighter grip, taking away 10 more grams. But that bumped up the swing weight to D-3. So, the club's static weight was now about 30 grams than my 1st-gen Wishon Sterlings, but they felt the same in the swing.

     

    Or, you could just grab what you have and hit them really far, find it, and hit it again. I think they call that "golf." I'm not sure because I've never played it. I've been playing a game called "golf swing" for decades....🤪

     

    I did go with the midsize MCC+4 grips partly because I have large hands and they fit better, but partly also because those grips are on the heavier end and help a little with the swing weight. 

     

    I've always done well with heavier static weight and heavier swing weight; anything that "feels too light" gets me really quick in transition. I need to feel that resistance of the weight of the club to keep my tempo right. 

     

    My previous clubs measured out at E0. I should probably just check and see what my EQ1 and wedges are measuring at. They definitely feel lighter than E0, but I don't think they're anywhere near the "normal" swing weight of D2. 

  10. 21 hours ago, Snowman9000 said:

    @Feelingofgreatness He uses the same head weight no matter the length.   That’s not the best system IMO.

     

    What SL vendor adjusts head weight for build length or swing weight? 

     

    I went with Wishon EQ1 and the only head weight option is 275g. My clubs are probably high on the swing weight scale because they're built with Modus 120 and they're an inch longer than standard at 37.5"... But I'm a big guy, so I don't mind it. That's what worked best in the fitting. 

     

    I hadn't heard of any SL clubs that had variable weighting systems for different length builds. Maybe I missed it? 

  11. On 11/14/2021 at 7:50 AM, jc4birdie said:

    I don't know what to do, but I will say one thing.  Avoid the idea to overhaul your swing thru "lessons"...that is the baseline culprit of this 5+ months of agony.

     

    What do you guys do when it's TOTALLY off the rails.  I'm not talking about not hitting it up to your standard....I mean when you simply can't hit it AT ALL?

     

    You're an 11, so you're a good ways better than me. I just recently had one round that dropped my cap into the teens for the first time ever (I've only had an official cap since late 2020), but then the very next round yesterday aged out a good round in the cap calculation and pushed me back over 20 lol...

     

    I will say that I've been working on changes all year based on a lesson from March this year. For a while I'd be grinding out the swing change on the range, but every time I played on the course I deliberately didn't try to play "golf swing" and just use whatever swing I brought to the course that day. Thus I have a feeling that my range swing was trying to ingrain a change, and the course swing was the "old" swing because I wasn't focusing on the change at all. 

     

    Twice during that stretch I'd have two rounds in a row where I couldn't hit the damn ball. Contact all over the face (or the hosel, or the leading edge, or the crown, etc) and simply nothing worked. And then all of a sudden the next round, things were starting to "click" and I was hitting the ball well and it was showing the ball flight that the work I was doing on the range was supposed to bring in. 

     

    My theory is that my "range swing" was creeping into my "course swing" during those rounds, and I was simply mechanically stuck somewhere in between. My habits and compensations that allowed me to hit the ball with my "course swing" were still trying to work as the "range swing" was starting to actually ingrain itself and show up on the course. And the two were just incompatible, so contact was all over the place. 

     

    If you're an 11, you may have much more ingrained "compensations" to break yourself of--I had taken 5 years off golf before July 2020 so I was still pretty much "new". It may take more time and more rounds to push through that bit where your body is trying to do the old and the new at the same time. 

     

    If you're really trying to overhaul, then I think taking a break won't help because you'll simply revert to the old. If you're in the middle period of change, it might be that the only way out is through...

  12. Played yesterday. Had a heat wave. Started at 8:00 AM in the sun and the heat hadn't really hit yet, but it was well into the mid-high 80s by the time we finished at 11:45. Back 9 was toasty. Should have brought the umbrella for my push cart.  

     

    The course is Oso Creek in Mission Viejo, CA. It's 3670 yards, par 60, rating is 58.2, slope of 99. Course has no driving range, so I just struck a few putts and then it was off to the first tee. 

     

    Hole 1, 285 yard par 4, HDCP 11: Straight hole with little trouble. Creek crossing the fairway short and shouldn't be in play. Left-side fairway bunker and green protected in front right by a bunker. Tees are 275 to the middle of the green, and I pull driver. I make beautiful contact but push it. I think I got a slight cart path assist and the ball finished nearly pin high in light rough between 1 and 2, to the right of the path. From there I need to hit over the bunker, and pull the 60*. I proceed to blade it, it hits short of the bunker, skips over the bunker, and rolls out ~6 yards off the green on the other side. I decide to putt through the rough and fringe, and that's not a great decision... It gets caught up and barely rolls onto the edge of the green, leaving me 20 feet for par. I hit a poor par putt that leaves me ~5 feet. Miss that, and tap in. Double, +2.
     
    Oof. Hit a great drive and turn it into a 3-putt double bogey. Not a great start.

     

    Wasted shots=2 -- the poor putt from the rough that didn't even get me anywhere near the pin where I even had a CHANCE at making a put, and then missing my 20 footer so bad that I couldn't finish with a 2-putt.

     

    Hole 2, 171 yard par 3, HDCP 9: Straight downhill par 3 with no trouble short, but a bunker right and a bunker behind the green, which slopes back to front. Tees back and pin back today, so it's playing almost about 175-180. I hit 6i and it's a low pull, not great contact, which runs out underneath some trees left. I get up to the ball and I've got a clear shot at the green of about 35 yards, and pitch with my 56*. I pitch it nicely, and end up 20 feet from the hole. I miss the putt, but make the second. Bogey, +3.

     

    Hole 3, 146 yard par 3, HDCP 15: Slightly uphill, with a bunker short left and long right. Tees up to a front pin, playing a little over 130. I take my GW and make good contact but pull it left, and thankfully it clears the bunker and ends up a few yards off the green to the left. I have to pitch from here, so I pitch with the 56* and get it to about 10 feet. I three putt from 10 feet. Double, +5. 

     

    Hole 4, 266 yard par 4, HDCP 13: This hole has trees all down the right side, and the fairway slopes pretty strongly right-to-left. The trees can catch errant balls to the right, dropping them on the slope where they often roll right to the middle. There's a fairway bunker to the left and the only protection for the green is a bunker behind and a pond to the FAR left. I hit driver, and make great contact but again push it well right with a slight fade. I figure it's gone. I get up there, can't find the ball, and take a drop, hitting 3. I have a half-wedge and make a great shot, putting it on the green 10 feet from the hole. Again, I miss the putt. Bogey, +6.  

     

    Hole 5, 168 yard par 3, HDCP 5: This is an uphill hole, plays long to a blind green. Bunker to the left and anything farther left is a steep slope down to the creek. This hole can be my nemesis if I turn it left and send it down that slope. Tees and pin both back, playing 180+. I end up taking 5i, and I hit a low push draw that's starting right of the green and coming back. I see it land short and skip up towards the green, but can't see much because it's a blind green. I get up to the ball, and I'm off the back edge of the green about 3-4 yards in light rough. I'm short-sided, and figure my best chance here is putting... Again a bad decision. My putt doesn't even make the green, stopping on the fringe. Well, at least I can putt from there... And I knock it downhill 10 feet past the hole. I miss that. Double, +8.

     

    Wasted shot=1, the bad putt from the rough. I should have gotten out of there with bogey at worst.

     
    Hole 6, 296 yard par 4, HDCP 7: Elevated tee, creek across the hole that shouldn't be in play, which continues up the left side and becomes a greenside pond. Fairway bunker down the right side about 200 yds and the green is protected on the right by a bunker and the left by the pond. Pull driver, and I hit a powerful hook that I believe crosses the creek. So I head down there and find the ball between the 4th green and 5th tee, with a shot about 70 yards to the green. There are palm trees directly between my ball and the pin, but as 70 yards is just a full swing 60* for me, I know a well-struck shot will clear those palms. So I hit 60*, and make a decent contact, pushing the ball just right of the green (from my vantage), or just in front of the green where it's a front pin. I putt from the fairway, but it's a bad putt that goes WELL past the pin and leaves me 15 feet. I two putt from there. Bogey, +9. 


    Hole 7, 148 yard par 3, HDCP 17: Straight hole, protected right and behind by bunkers. Middle pin and it's playing about 145. I take 9i and hit a high draw that lands pin high off the left side of the green and kicks left of a slope, finishing about 15 yards off the green. I pitch with my 56*, and hit it low on the face and it rolls onto the fringe on the far side of the green. I've got a long right->left breaker and pick a good line, but don't give it enough oomph, and leave myself 7 feet. Thankfully I finally make a damn putt. Bogey, +10. 
     

    Hole 8, 174 yard par 3, HDCP 3: Tough hole, always seems to play longer than its distance. Narrow, long green, protected right and left by bunkers, and a creek across the "fairway" that shouldn't be in play. Tees are back and pin is back, so it's playing a little north of 180. I take 6i and make "ok" contact, and it's a slight draw that finishes just short and left of the green. I pitch and have great distance control but push just a bit right, leaving myself 10 feet from the hole to the right. It's a mostly straight putt maybe just outside the right edge, and I strike it well and it drops. Par, +10.

     

    Finally a par! Only took 8 holes lol.

     

    Hole 9, 317 yard par 4, HDCP 1: There's a creek running along the left side and then crossing the fairway right at the 220-230 mark, depending on tee location. The hole has a big valley leading to that creek in the middle, so laying up forces a VERY short layup to keep from running all the way down into the water. The green is then elevated from the fairway and protected front right by a bunker. Tees are WAY back so I know I need a good drive to comfortably clear the creek. I blast a really strong contact drive, but it's pulled left and lands short of the first tee. At least it's over the creek safely. I head up and find the ball, and I'm about 50-60 yards from the green, but I don't have a clear shot due to trees. The only choice I have is a punch under the trees. So I take my 7i and put the ball back in my stance with a face almost closed down to driver / fairway wood loft. I take a little half-swing punch and the ball shoots out basically exactly as I plan. I don't quite make the green, but the ball stops about 6-7 yards short of the green. I've had trouble with the putter from these types of holes, so I pitch--and flub it. Crap. At least I'm close enough on the fringe to putt... And knock it 10 feet long right of the hole. I miss the 10-footer and tap in. Double, +12. 

     

    Wasted shot=1, the flubbed chip.

     

    So I'm out in a +12, 43. Not a good front 9 by any stretch. 

     
    Hole 10, 242 yard par 4, HDCP 16: Another hole that almost always screws me. It's so short and easy, that maybe I get overconfident and then end up playing it horribly. Today it's playing about 235 to a center pin. I figure this is a good time for the 4w, as that should be almost perfect distance. I try to just take a nice easy swing... And top it 100 yards into the fairway. Oh well. At least I'm PW distance now. I make good contact with the PW and hit a slight push, and long. I'm a little off the back right of the green. I pitch and leave myself 10 feet, and two-putt. Bogey, +13.


    Hole 11, 172-yard par 4, HDCP 6: It's slightly uphill, to a blind green. Protected in the back by a bunker but otherwise pretty straightforward. Tees are back and the pin is back, so this is playing a strong 180 up the hill. I take 6i and hit a weak draw headed well left. This isn't great because it's headed for three enormous boulders, and it looks like it hits and caroms just off one of them. I get up to the ball, and that's exactly what happened. I MIGHT have a shot if I get enough loft to get over the boulder, or I can just pop it out right of the boulder into the fairway in front of the green. My round is already well off track, so I say screw it, pull the 60*, and decide to go at the pin. And... Surprisingly, it works! I slightly clip some leaves on a tree just short of the green, but I get onto the green and I'm 30 feet from the hole. And then, I three putt. Double, +15.


    Hole 12, 118 yard par 3, HDCP 18: This is a downhill hole, protected short left by a bunker with a pretty severe back to front sloping green. Pin is front and with the downslope the rangefinder says it's playing 107. I take the 56* and a full swing, and make great contact but pull it. I clear the bunker and it lands on the green and hops back a few feet, 30 feet left of the hole. Now I've got a very difficult breaking 30 footer, and I knock it about 10 feet past the hole. I miss that putt and tap in. Bogey, +16. 

     

    I hate ruining a GIR and ending up three-putting for bogey.

     

    Hole 13, 288 yard par 4, HDCP 8: Straight hole, with a bunker protecting the left side of the green and some boulders out on the right rough in the fairway, but overall pretty tame. Because this hole narrows as you approach the green, it doesn't set up well for driver. But I'm feeling it today and might as well, right? So I hit driver and make contact very low on the face, and it's a bullet down the left side of the fairway, barely above the ground--but just enough that it doesn't land for about 150 yards and rolls out well over 200 yards. So now I'm left with a partial wedge, and chunk it two thirds of the way to the green. I pitch again, and leave myself 30 feet. I hit that putt and it rolls out much farther than I like, maybe 9 feet beyond the hole, and 2-putt from there. Double, +18. 

     

    Wasted shots=1, the flubbed chip. I could probably combine the bad pitch and the bad lag following into another, but I'm not going to. 


    Hole 14, 163 yard par 3, HDCP 10: Another uphill par 3 to a blind green. Protected on the right by a bunker, and on the left by a severe slope down to the creek. Tees about center and pin a ways back, playing just over 160, so I take 8i. I do the same thing I do two weeks ago and just fail completely to close the face, and launch it WAY right over some trees into the brush. Somehow, I find it way up on the slope in some pine straw and playable. So I pitch with my 56* and end up putting it on the front of the green, leaving myself 50 feet. I make a halfway-decent lag but only to about 7 feet, and miss it, for a tap in. Double, +20. 


    Hole 15, 162 yard par 3, HDCP 12: Round back-to-front sloped green, with a bunker left and pond more left. Playing about 145, so I take 9i. I hit a shot with good contact but pushed right, and I see it land just right of the cart path in the pine straw and don't see any bounce. Nobody else in the group saw it either. I get up there and I'm looking for the ball and can't find it, while a playing partner is walking up to the green and asks "how'd your ball get over here?" Well, it kicked left and it's on the left edge of the green, 15 feet from the hole. Better to be lucky than good sometimes, right? It's a tricky breaking putt for birdie and I get it to tap-in range. Par, +20.

     

    Hole 16, 136 yard par 3, HDCP 14: Bunkers left and right, but a pretty easy back-to-front sloped round green to hit to. Playing longer today, about 150, so I take 9i. I end up starting it just right of on line but it's turning left, and it lands on the left side of the green, leaving me 40 feet from the pin. I hit a lag putt that finishes 3 feet below the hole, and sink that. Par, +20.
     

    Hole 17, 193 yard par 3, HDCP 4: Pretty straightforward hole but long for a par 3, with a bunker behind the green but not much other trouble. It's playing shorter today, about 165 to a back left pin. I hit 8i and strike it well, a push draw that starts towards the right edge of the green and curving back to the center. It drops on the green 30 feet short of the hole. I make a so-so lag putt and leave myself well short, but I sink the next putt. Par, +20. 

     

    Hole 18, 225 yard par 3, HDCP 2: Tough hole, due to length as a par 3, and that it's a long narrow green protected left and right by bunkers, and a pond more left. There's also a creek across the fairway that shouldn't be in play. I feel like my round is better so I'm not going to try anything silly here, and just tee off with my 4h to lay up. And I top it 110 yards in center of the fairway... Oops. But now I'm left with about 105 to the pin, perfectly in range of my 56*. So I hit the 56* and strike it perfectly, and it lands pin-high pulled just 5 feet left of the pin. 5 footer to finish with four consecutive pars? I can do this, right? Nope... Miss it, and tap in. Bogey, +21. 


    Stats:
    Putts: 40
    GIR: 4/18
    Wasted shots: 5, pretty much all with the flat stick
    Counts to HDCP: No
    HDCP: Moves back above 20 to 20.7, because I aged out a +15 that I did on this course a while back... I'm not a teens golfer any more 😭

     
    Birdies: 0
    Pars: 4
    Bogeys: 7
    Doubles: 7
    Triples+: 0

     

    So, out in 43 (+12) and in 38 (+9), for an 81 (+21). 

     

    All in all, there are positives here. I didn't have a single blow-up hole (triple or worse). For the most part my ballstriking was decent. I didn't have huge hook problems.

     

    The issue is that I didn't play horrifically bad, but I also didn't play well. I had scoring opportunities that were badly missed due to putting. I had par chances that became bogeys, and bogey saves that became doubles. 40 putts?! Holy crap that's bad bad bad. I left tons of strokes on the golf course, and that's not even counting wasted shots. It was just everything just slightly off and so I wasn't earning enough pars to overcome the doubles. 

     

    I suppose it's a sign of progress that I see this round as a bit of a disappointment, because there were so many missed opportunities. It's a lot better than a bad round where I can't hit the ball at all. 

     

  13. On 11/29/2020 at 7:53 AM, NRJyzr said:

    This comes with apologies if you've stated this before and I'm just not remembering.  Or too lazy to go back and find it.  🙂

     

    @extrastiff, wondering how tall you are, and what your wrist to floor measurement is?  My curiosity stems, in part, from the travels of OsnolaKinard as he moved to the single length world; he's a taller than average dude.  There seems a bit of a connection with height and the single length thing, at least with respect to the short irons.

     

     

    FYI I'm in this boat. I'm 6'5" with about a 39.5-40" WTF. 

     

    My old set the shortest club in my bag was my SW, as everything was extended 1.5" so my SW was (36.5"). Basically 8i length. When I was looking at new clubs I demo'd some Sub70 irons and the demos were only available in standard length, so the 9i was only 36", and felt like a child's toy. 

     

    From that I determined that there was no way I could handle standard length in the short irons. This is where it really gets difficult for tall people because those clubs are too short to appropriately swing and maintain posture, athleticism, etc. 

     

    But that left me with a problem. My 3i was 40.5" long... Damn near unhittable for me. (Note: that says a lot more about my skill than the clubs, but either way the length was too long in the long irons). 

     

    So I had to make a choice; traditional variable length irons but doing something unique with the gapping to keep the short irons longer than standard while not extending the long irons to unhittable lengths... Or single-length. 

     

    The issue with reduced gapping becomes swing weight; it will be inconsistent throughout the set. Clubs with head mass built for 0.5" gaps will have ascending swing weight as you move from the low-lofted clubs to the wedges. 

     

    So I went single-length. That also gives me the advantage of one setup, one ball position, one swing, etc. I don't have to adjust any of that based on the club. Which again, given my limited skill, is one less variable (pun intended) for me to cover.

     

    I'm still trying to work it out, though... I seem to have compressed 10y gaps between each club, and the low-loft end of my bag I'm having trouble reaching distances. My 3i previously used to be my 225 club at 40.5" (when I hit it well) whereas my 4h (lower loft than that 3i) at 37.5" is now my 200 club. I'm sure that's mostly due to reduced clubhead speed from a 3" shorter length. 

     

    I'm trying to decide whether to simply let it be, or to look at something like extending 4h by 1", 5i by 0.75", 6i by 0.5", and 7i by 0.25" to help widen those yardage gaps. I realize it isn't actually "single length" if I do that, but those gaps shouldn't screw me up too much. 

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  14. 1 hour ago, SUPERG said:

    In today’s world of golf demand, I’d hope for everyone’s sake they stick around. The more people we have building and selling clubs will ease the supply on the other OEMS. Not saying that these DTC firms are only for beginners, but buy and large more tenured golfers prefer the big 4 and the like. I personally love the New Level stuff that I’ve seen. 

     

    I kind of think the opposite.

     

    If you look at both Sub70 and New Level their offerings fall more into the players category, which isn't ideal for novice golfers. Sub70 has played around with GI/SGI, but they discontinued their previous GI 739 and replaced it with the SGI 799, and I don't know how it's doing. Both New Level and Sub70 have blades, CBs, and their most forgiving designs are players hollow-body irons. 

     

    I think I know the reason for that, quite frankly... Someone new to golf has never even come close to hearing the name Sub70 or New Level. They only know the Big 4 and what's available OTR at their local big box sporting goods or golf store. 

     

    I think the beginners actually gravitate to the big 4 and the like because those are the brands they've heard of. 

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  15. 21 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

    I think @Hawkeye has posted several times about breakthroughs coming off the back of terrible play. That's very common as new neural patterns are laid down. You're doing the work. It'll be worth it. 🙂

     

    I was thinking the same. I had a couple rounds as I was working on new things where it seemed like I'd simply forgotten how to hit a golf ball. Having trouble finding the face on nearly every shot... And then a round or two later it was like things synced up. 

     

    The only way I could explain it is that since I don't try to consciously integrate my "range" swing onto the course, I just let it happen naturally, I would have rounds where is was simply stuck in between the two and couldn't execute either, and then with a few more rounds, the range swing that I was working on took over. 

     

    As they say, if golf was easy, it wouldn't be a four-letter word 😂

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  16. 32 minutes ago, bortass said:

     

    The reason I mention it popping up on the course is because of something Monte said in the IG Live he did for Broomforce. He had said something along the lines that the changes will work into your on course swing over time. He seems to be commenting a bit more about what realistic expectations are with regard to practice and improvement.

     

    So I'm taking it as a good sign that what I'm doing is showing up at times when I go out and play. One reason is I am not thinking about trying to do Cast A on the course. It's just happening which is a bit different than what I normally end up doing. It's also probably a good thing because during the drills when I am trying to make sure I do Cast A things can get wonky, lol.

     

    Yeah, I don't *try* to take my swing change to the course. I don't think about it. I show up and hit the ball. It's definitely creeping in over time though, and that's a good thing. 

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  17. 3 hours ago, bortass said:

    I'll start with something positive albeit non-golf related, I passed the 40lbs lost mark today. Things have been nice and steady in this area, so at least I'm getting smaller and healthier.

     

     

     

    Congrats! That's absolutely huge. Keep up the good work!

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  18. 13 minutes ago, smashdn said:

    I think the old, commonly held logic was that the driver is hard to hit.  It was.  But now it is the largest faced club in the bag.  Probably has had the most advances from an engineering standpoint.  Most are now adjustable if not darn near fully customizable with removable shafts and weights.

     

     

    Yeah, I was this way. Growing up the driver was always harder to hit. Had some persimmon, had some metal woods, but I finished out in 2001 when I had moved up to a sub-300cc metal head on a Dynalite S100 steel shaft... Played on and off over those 20 years, but really came back to the game hard last year during COVID.

     

    I couldn't hit the damn driver to save my life. It was 45", steel shaft, little [by today's standards] head. I bought a used Ping G25 and suddenly I could find the face and hit great shots with the driver. 

     

     

    I don't know that I hit it better than irons, but the old driver was hard to hit, and the new driver with that giant head and ample face just make it easy. 

     

  19. Played yesterday again at Oso Creek. As mentioned, it's 3670 yards, par 60, rating is 58.2, slope of 99. No driving range, so no warmup other than putting. 

     

    Weather was cool and overcast until the 17th hole when the sun started breaking through. Which was good, as I'd gotten a little too much sun the day before so I appreciated the respite. 

     

    I haven't practiced much since my last round. Went to the range last weekend with my son, but he hit about 80% of the bucket as I wanted to focus on him getting practice and giving him some tips. Then I had some other issues: car trouble with my daily driver, a new coffee table that arrived broken which has been sitting in my son's room where the putting mat is located, busy at work, etc. So I really haven't been putting the work into my game that I'd like. 

     

    Hole 1, 285 yard par 4, HDCP 11: Straight hole with little trouble. Creek crossing the fairway short and shouldn't be in play. Left-side fairway bunker and green protected in front right by a bunker. Tees are back so no real chance of reaching. I take driver and hit a sweeping hook that starts straight down the middle and ends up landing on the other side of the creek splitting holes 1 and 9, probably 220 yards. From there I'm in some deeper rough (didn't really see the ball until I was right on top of it), and try to hit my 56. I don't make great contact and it stops about 10 yards short of the green. I pitch and flub it, and then finally pitch and get on the green, leaving myself about 18 feet for bogey. I putt to tap-in distance, and make it. Double, +2. 

     

    One wasted shot for the flubbed chip. 

     

    Hole 2, 171 yard par 3, HDCP 9: Straight downhill par 3 with no trouble short, but a bunker right and a bunker behind the green, which slopes back to front. Tees back so it's playing about 175 to a center pin. I take 6i and blade a line drive 25y short of the green. Have a simple pitch to the green with the 56, and I don't know WHAT the hell I did wrong but it goes right on a 30 degree angle and dribbles into the sand trap. The trap is horrible wet sand with a downhill lie. I try to get out with the 60 and blast it 20y over the green. I pitch back to the green and finally make a good swing, but run it 20 feet past the hole. Two putt. Triple, +5.
     
    Two wasted shots. The bad chip and then the bad sand shot.

     

    What a crap way to start a round. +5 after two holes. Pretty sure this one is going to get ugly.

     

    Hole 3, 146 yard par 3, HDCP 15: Slightly uphill, with a bunker short left and long right. It's playing about 135 to a center pin.  I take PW (my 140 club) and I think I teed it up a little too high and caught it high on the face, as I had a great line and I thought good contact, but it launched REALLY high and dropped on the front fringe. Given my lack of chipping skill, I decide to putt, and hit with pretty good speed control but it finishes 4 feet left of the cup. I've been focusing on lining up these short putts and really giving them full attention, and I drain it. Par, +5.

     

    Okay, recovery.

     

    Hole 4, 266 yard par 4, HDCP 13: This hole has trees all down the right side, and the fairway slopes pretty strongly right-to-left. The trees can catch errant balls to the right, dropping them on the slope where they often roll right to the middle. There's a fairway bunker to the left and the only protection for the green is a bunker behind and a pond to the FAR left. Tees are back a bit. I take driver, and hit a lower trajectory shot than I normally do, but hit it DEAD straight at the green. The ball runs up to about 5-6 yards short of the green in the fairway. Again given my chipping/pitching woes, and the fact that the fairway is pretty smooth up to the green, I decide to putt, which ends up about 10 feet right of the cup. From there I see some right->left break, but I don't read enough, and the putt turns down leaving me about 3-4 feet below the hole, needing it to save par. I drain that putt. Par, +5. 
     

    Hole 5, 168 yard par 3, HDCP 5: This is an uphill hole, plays long to a blind green. Bunker to the left and anything farther left is a steep slope down to the creek. This hole can be my nemesis if I turn it left and send it down that slope. It should be playing about 175 up the hill and I take 6i... I blade it, hitting maybe 100 yards, but at least into the middle of the fairway. It's a front pin, so I pitch with my 60, and tug it a little bit and think it's low, but it hops and stops and finishes just past pin high on the left edge of the green, about 12-13 feet from the pin. This is a TRICKY putt, heavy break and downhill, so I barely tap it well left of the hole and it rolls down to tap-in. Bogey, +6.

     
    Hole 6, 296 yard par 4, HDCP 7: Elevated tee, creek across the hole that shouldn't be in play, which continues up the left side and becomes a greenside pond. Fairway bunker down the right side about 200 yds and the green is protected on the right by a bunker and the left by the pond. Pull driver, aiming right of the green assuming some draw, and I hit a shot dead straight on my aiming line, this one with good high launch and contact. It easily carries the fairway bunker and I don't see where it stops. I get down to the ball and find it in the right side rough, just left of the cart path, with a clear pitch ~50y to a center pin. I pitch with the 56, and hit a good pitch to pin high about 15 feet right of the pin. Tricky right->left breaking birdie putt, and I miss it but leave myself a tap-in. Par, +6.


    Hole 7, 148 yard par 3, HDCP 17: Straight hole, protected right and behind by bunkers. Back pin and it's playing about 147. I take 9i and hit a high draw that drops on the left side of the green. I've got about 25 feet uphill, and misjudge it and hit it about 6 feet past the hole. Oof. But... I drain that putt. Par, +6. 


     
    Hole 8, 174 yard par 3, HDCP 3: Tough hole, always seems to play longer than its distance. Narrow, long green, protected right and left by bunkers, and a creek across the "fairway" that shouldn't be in play. Back tees and front pin, so it's playing a full 175. I take 6i and hit a nice strike, that draws and lands just on the front left fringe. I putt because I'm not going to try to chip, and put it about 4-5 feet past the hole. And I drain that. Par, +6.

     

    Hey, start +5 through 2 and I'm +6 through 8. This round doesn't actually suck [so far]!
     

    Hole 9, 317 yard par 4, HDCP 1: There's a creek running along the left side and then crossing the fairway right at the 220-230 mark, particularly when the tees are back like they are today. The hole has a big valley leading to that creek in the middle, so laying up forces a VERY short layup to keep from running all the way down into the water. The green is then elevated from the fairway and protected front right by a bunker. Thankfully now that I've learned to hit driver, I know I can clear the creek off the tee, so I take driver... It's a little bit low and curving left, but I see it land and kick just over the creek on the left, so it's safe. From there in the rough I've got 95 up to a center pin (rangefinder says 100 with the slope), and I have a tendency to leave things short because the uphill lie adds loft, so that should be a full on 56 for me. Unfortunately I catch it very clean and a groove or two low, and I go over the green. I'm 5 yards off and in slight rough, but putt instead of chipping again. Unfortunately the rough/fringe doesn't slow me down as much as I expect and my putt rolls out 24 feet past the hole. I putt from there and leave myself 5 feet to save bogey, and miss that. Oof. Double, +8.

     

    Adding up +1 wasted shot [combined] there because I should have no problem getting down in 3 from just off the green, but it took 4. 

     

    Either way, I finish the front 9 at 39 (+8), which isn't all that bad, particularly after starting +5 through 2. And even with the double on 9, I'm pretty pleased with the way I've played since those first two holes.  

     
    Hole 10, 242 yard par 4, HDCP 16: Another hole that almost always screws me. It's so short and easy, that maybe I get overconfident and then end up playing it horribly. Today it's playing 225, and after hitting a beautiful 4w shot to finish the last round I figure I'll take a nice easy swing with the 4w and can probably reach. Beautiful practice swing, and then I decide to muscle it once I get into transition and downswing and top it 90 yards into the fairway. OOPS! And I felt it too... I just got into "kill the ball" mode as soon as started swinging down. But at least I'm in the middle. I've got about 135 left and take PW, and chunk it about 90 yards. OOPS! I pitch it and at least get on the green, leaving myself 20 feet, and I two-putt. Bogey, +9.


    Hole 11, 172-yard par 4, HDCP 6: It's slightly uphill, to a blind green. Protected in the back by a bunker but otherwise pretty straightforward. Tees are back but a front pin, so I take 6i because my distances have generally been on the low end today. I feel the strike off the toe, and it starts slightly right and bends back to the center. But with the toe contact it doesn't make it to the green, so I'm short. I try to pitch it up, and flub the pitch, but get myself to putting distance from off the green. I then putt to 5 feet, and drain that. Bogey, +10. 

     

    Not assigning a wasted shot here. From where my ball was short of the hole, I can't claim any expectation of getting up and down for par.  

     

    Hole 12, 118 yard par 3, HDCP 18: This is a downhill hole, protected short left by a bunker with a pretty severe back to front sloping green. Pin is center but tees are up, and with the downhill it's playing maybe 105. I take the 56 and strike it well, but pull it left, and it clears the bunker. I think I may be on the green, but it's actually on the fringe behind the bunker. I've got about 30 feet, and putt from the fringe. I hit it about 3 feet past the hole, and make that. Par, +10. 


    Hole 13, 288 yard par 4, HDCP 8: Straight hole, with a bunker protecting the left side of the green and some boulders out on the right rough in the fairway, but overall pretty tame. Because this hole narrows as you approach the green, it doesn't set up well for driver. I take 4h and just plan to take a nice, easy, relaxed swing. I keep having trouble when I try to hit 4h for "distance" rather than strike. I make beautiful contact, the ball starts right and just BARELY clears some of the tree branches short right off the tee, and curves perfectly right back into the center of the fairway. I'll take it. I'm left about 100 out and take the 56. I strike it well and can't see it because it's a blind green, but it looks to be almost dead on line (a few feet right) and I'm just hoping the distance is good. I get up to the green, and the distance was great. I'm 5 feet from the cup and sweating because this is a perfect birdie opportunity. I hit the putt and my heart stops as it catches the lip... And circles around and in the hole! Birdie, +9. 


    Hole 14, 163 yard par 3, HDCP 10: Another uphill par 3 to a blind green. Protected on the right by a bunker, and on the left by a severe slope down to the creek. Tees are WAY up front, so it's barely playing 135. I plan to take PW and just take a nice easy swing. I make good contact but apparently forgot to close the clubface as it starts WAY right, hits a tall tree which saves me from losing a ball OB, and drops down and kicks left of a tree on the right edge of the fairway/rough. What a complete terrible shot after a birdie lol. I'm now about 60 out and hit the 60, and pull it a little left but it lands and stops on the very left edge of the green. I've got a tricky 20-footer, but I get it close, and make the next one. Bogey, +10. 

     

    Hole 15, 162 yard par 3, HDCP 12: Round back-to-front sloped green, with a bunker left and pond more left. Playing about 145 to a center pin. I hit 9i and it doesn't feel like I've got the best contact, and it starts a little right of the pin, curves back, and drops short left of the green. I putt from there, and putt it 15 feet past the hole. Oof. It's a tricky downhill breaker from there, and I don't make a good roll of it, leaving myself 4 feet. I miss that. Oof again. Double, +12. 

     

    Add a wasted shot for about two terrible lag putts and then missing a 4-footer. I should have converted to bogey at least from there.  

     

    Hole 16, 136 yard par 3, HDCP 14: Bunkers left and right, but a pretty easy back-to-front sloped round green to hit to. Playing about 145 today to a back pin, so I take 9i. I hit it and strike it very well, but it turns a little too far left and ends up pin high in the left bunker. I've got a tricky lie here but at least this bunker isn't wet and nasty, so I feel like I can play it like a standard bunker shot. I use the 56 and focus on taking sand, and I hit it nicely out--it lands short of the pin but rolls out 20 feet past. Which for me, getting OUT of the bunker and ONTO the green is all I want, so I don't mind. I putt and don't make the best lag of it, leaving myself about 5 feet to save bogey. But I focus, and drain it. Bogey, +13. 
     
    Hole 17, 193 yard par 3, HDCP 4: Pretty straightforward hole but long for a par 3, with a bunker behind the green but not much other trouble. It's playing short today with front tees and a front pin, with the downhill my rangefinder says it's about 155 so I take 8i. I chunk it and it goes about 100 yards into the center. I flub a pitch about 15 feet, and then pitch again to 15 feet. I've got a tricky breaking 15 footer, but I see a bit of the line from a playing partner, and feel good about it--and drain it. Bogey, +14. 

     

    Assigning a wasted shot here from the flubbed pitch. No excuse for that, even though I managed to recover with a good 1-putt. 
     

    Hole 18, 225 yard par 3, HDCP 2: Tough hole, due to length as a par 3, and that it's a long narrow green protected left and right by bunkers, and a pond more left. There's also a creek across the fairway that shouldn't be in play. I've got a really good round going so I decide to lay up here with 5i. Unfortunately I don't hit it with ANY power and is see it land short, then over, then kick backwards, of the creek down on the right side. Luckily I get to the ball and it stayed up, so no penalty stroke, but I'm in deep rough 50 yards from the hole. I hit the 56 and it's crap, jumping about 10-15 yards closer. I pitch again, to pin high right of the hole leaving 15 feet. And I drain that putt. Bogey, +15. 

     

    No wasted shot assigned here. Unlike the previous hole, I was in deep rough rather than a perfect fairway lie. 

     

    Stats:
    Strokes from <100 yards: 32/25, or 57, average of 3.16 per hole
    Putts: 31, not counting putts from the fringe
    GIR: 4/18
    Wasted shots: 6, four short game [one sand], and two from bad putting
    Counts to HDCP: Yes, HDCP dropped to 19.8. I'm under a 20!!!

     

    Birdies: 1
    Pars: 6
    Bogeys: 7
    Doubles: 3
    Triples+: 1

     

    So I finished 39 (+8) / 36 (+7) for a 75 (+15).  

     

    Had some positives--Was happy with my putting, overall my ballstriking was decent and my huge hook wasn't mostly evident. Brought down my number of wasted shots from 12 (last round) to 6, and surprise surprise, my total score dropped by 7 strokes between the two rounds. Amazing how much that "wasted shot" metric means to scoring at my level. Only one true "blow up" hole as a triple, although to some extent I feel like all three of my doubles were avoidable--due to wasted shots. But then I saved holes that I could easily have doubled by sinking putts too. And obviously any round which counts towards HDCP is good because it becomes one of my top 40% of rounds, but this one dropping my cap under 20 was a REALLY exciting thing to see. 

     

    Negative continues to be short game. Which of course is the least-practiced part of my game. So I know what I need to do. 

     

     

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  20. Here's a use for leftover brisket. Grilled cheese & tomato soup, grown-up style:

     

    https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/

    https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque/

     

    As mentioned above, I tend to keep leftover brisket vacuum-sealed in the freezer for use in dishes like this, or chili, etc. 

     

    The tomatoes for the bisque can be smoked, vacuum sealed, and frozen. Often if we're out of the smoked tomatoes and I'm going to be doing ribs, I'll throw a batch of tomatoes on the smoker once it's ready to go, before I start the ribs, and then they go into the freezer for whatever day I do this. I don't typically smoke them "on demand" for this recipe. 

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  21. On 10/27/2021 at 7:35 PM, RSinSG said:

     

    Whenever family gets together they all want me to cook ribs. I am one of the odd people in the world who would prefer other types of meat to ribs. I do like St. Louis and Spare Ribs over Baby Back, and I like beef ribs better than all pork ones. The family goes all crazy over the ribs and I'm content eating a couple and filling up on sides. I prefer investing cooking time into shoulders and briskets. That being said your ribs look perfect. Good pull back on the bone but they look like they still have some bite. No sloppy sauce either - good work.

     

    I like baby back over spares... I think I'm alone in the BBQ community on that one lol...

     

    Not a fan of beef back ribs. I LOVE some beef short ribs though. Occasionally I'll do a whole 3 bone plate, which basically becomes brisket on a stick. Otherwise if I've just got separated beef short ribs, it's still good though. 

     

    For me the brisket is the top choice. The problem with brisket is that I need a crowd. It's hard to decide to cook a 15-20# brisket for my wife and my kids. I realize I have a vacuum sealer and a freezer, and I can find some great ways to use leftover brisket. But I prefer to have people over if I'm doing brisket. 

     

    Likewise pork shoulder. When I do shoulder I buy 4 pork shoulders in the total weight range around 35#, smoke them all, use what I need for dinner and then break everything else down into vacuum bags. But I don't enjoy pulled pork sandwiches anywhere as much as brisket, so pork is usually one meal for sandwiches and then everything else goes into the freezer for later use on pulled pork nachos, or pulled pork salad, or anything else we decide to use it in, etc...

     

    When it's just me, my wife, and the kids, I get a 3-rack pack of baby backs from Costco. That feeds the family with leftovers for me for lunch Monday... And everyone's happy.

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  22. 16 hours ago, Davegolf1357 said:

    You have given a great answer to what should have been my question - At what point will I be able to tell the difference between a crap ball and a premium ball / At what point will a premium ball help my game.  Thanks!

     

    I don't know that anyone between mid-teens and mid-twenty caps will be able to "tell the difference" between a crap ball and a premium ball. My swing is more inconsistent than the golf ball I might use. 

     

    That said, I only play one model of ball. I want to know that if the ball does something I wasn't expecting, it's because my swing was crap, not that the ball was crap or that it was inconsistency between one ball and another. If you're playing used balls from ebay (that you don't know their history), or you're playing randoms that you find on the course (that you don't know their history), you could have different characteristics from one ball to the next that you can't predict. 

     

    That big ball test showed an 8 yard carry difference between the longest ball and shortest ball in 8i carry distance. That's the difference between "I can clear that bunker in front of the green" and "oh crap I'm hitting out of that bunker in front of the green" lol. There was about 1500 RPM of spin between the highest spinner and the lowest spinner in that test. That will mean differences in roll-out once your ball lands. 

     

    So my advice would be to get a quality urethane ball, ONE ball, and play that exclusively. It doesn't have to be $4-5/ball--I play the Snell MTB-X which runs $2.50/ball in volume. But at least I have consistency in how the ball will respond, and if something goes wrong with the flight, I know I can blame myself and not the ball. 

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