Hogan's Clubs

[ej002]

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours-news/blogs/local-knowledge/2014/03/exclusive-ben-hogans-1953-clubs-to-be-put-up-for-sale-expect.html

[tembolo1284]

EJ know of any rich people? Would be awesome to loft and lie and swingweight measure these babies.

[jmck]

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I'd buy them in a second....if I wanted to get divorced.

[Dinosaur]

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I know its apples and oranges, but a lot of Hogan Production clubs are available through ebay, and are more prevalent than the gray hairs I now sport. I own two sets, both Hogan Edges. Might look for some original apex or apex II. Still not really vintage and were produced for the masses. My earlier sets were Macgregor tourneys and my first set was Bobby Jones swing weight about E1 I would guess. (They were heavy with leather grips, and probably made by Spaulding).

[tembolo1284]

The hogan sticks on ebay are damn good clubs. A real shame Callaway let that brand die out.

[lonestar48]

I want those [i]real [/i]bad.

[Dinosaur]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1394137840' post='8813275']
The hogan sticks on ebay are damn good clubs. A real shame Callaway let that brand die out.
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Depends on "which". I could not give mine away. They had some wear, but not all that excessive. No takers. There are dozens offered right now, granted the Edge's are not the same as the original red line Apex, Cameo's, or real blades, but plenty there for less than $70 a set. I have a set of Edge irons with steel shaft, and a set of Edge irons with Hogan High Performance Graphite. The graphite feel better, but they also have Avon Chamois grips.

[ej002]

I had set of Cameos for like a day... then sold them for some $$$ stupid.

That three iron is like a scalpel... for Frankenstein!!

[jmck]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1394136511' post='8813143']
EJ know of any rich people? Would be awesome to loft and lie and swingweight measure these babies.
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I was just looking at the pics again, and you know what's interesting about them--they don't look all that flat. Just noticed it. They're certainly nowhere near as flat as the specs Jody Vasquez gives in his book. They actually look pretty close to standard to me, FWIW. Thoughts?

[hogans71]

Would love to get my hands on those. Truly amazing those who performed at the highest level back then, with such equipment..

Never ceases to amaze me...

[moehogan]

Mr. H won all of his nine majors with Macs ... made in the building below, except maybe his first in 1946. Drove by it a few weeks ago and it's still standing ... Hugo Goldsmith's grand endeavor!

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af203/moehogan_1/e885555a774635d22755765bc2b5e1b2_zpsa4e4fc25.jpg

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='Dinosaur' timestamp='1394149029' post='8814633']
[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1394137840' post='8813275']
The hogan sticks on ebay are damn good clubs. A real shame Callaway let that brand die out.
[/quote]

Depends on "which". I could not give mine away. They had some wear, but not all that excessive. No takers. There are dozens offered right now, granted the Edge's are not the same as the original red line Apex, Cameo's, or real blades, but plenty there for less than $70 a set. I have a set of Edge irons with steel shaft, and a set of Edge irons with Hogan High Performance Graphite. The graphite feel better, but they also have Avon Chamois grips.
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The blades!

[eightiron]

Jeff Martin actually checked out the hogan clubs at some museum or whatever and basically the whole swing weight being off the planet is a MYTH , same as lie angles , basically a couple deg flat compared to mizuno standard

[ej002]

I think I read that - thy were only like D1 - but overall heavy.

[tembolo1284]

Didn't they play shorter than standard though? That would effectively make them flatter.


ya EJ if he had a coat hanger in there I'd imagine they were crazy heavy!

[eightiron]

Was a shoe lace from reports , and NO they are not heavy

[Paul E]

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Was a shoe lace from reports , and NO they are not heavy
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What about the empirical evidence from those few pros that went to colonial and swung his gear and reported heavy and stiff?

[farmer]

[quote name='Paul E' timestamp='1394230631' post='8821939']
[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1394208921' post='8819531']
Was a shoe lace from reports , and NO they are not heavy
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What about the empirical evidence from those few pros that went to colonial and swung his gear and reported heavy and stiff?
[/quote]I spent a fair amount of time at Colonial in the early eighties, and in the Hogan room, there was a set of his clubs. I don't think the powers that be at Colonial let those clubs be taken out of the building. Maybe so, but I'd like some real info.

[Paul E]

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[quote name='Paul E' timestamp='1394230631' post='8821939']
[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1394208921' post='8819531']
Was a shoe lace from reports , and NO they are not heavy
[/quote]

What about the empirical evidence from those few pros that went to colonial and swung his gear and reported heavy and stiff?
[/quote]I spent a fair amount of time at Colonial in the early eighties, and in the Hogan room, there was a set of his clubs. I don't think the powers that be at Colonial let those clubs be taken out of the building. Maybe so, but I'd like some real info.
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Didn't O'Meara swing them when Hogan was present on the range? I seem to recall that story where he couldn't get the ball off the ground and felt embarrassed and hoped Hogan wasn't watching...

[Hoganstriker]

All I have seen so far regarding the real clubs is a lot of speculation. I have heard flat and stiff and heavy to not so flat and not so heavy. Who knows the secret?
My gut tells me they were somewhere in between what everyone says. Fallacy of extremes can be seen here in people's perception. Some are so dead set on flat stiff and heavy they ruin fine clubs by putting lead powder down the shafts and redrilling woods!
Not everyone is best served playing 6 flat from Macgregor stock rebar weighted down with lead tape in fact that could lead to a lot of injury.
Screw what Hogan played-play what is best for you as an individual.

[tembolo1284]

Did he heel all these slightly like his 1 iron or?

[Timanator]

How is it with all the technology his clubs are not weighted and spec'ed out by now????

In Haney's book, Tiger said Hogan hit the balls very low and would not hold a modern green, maybe heavy clubs and not swing weight is correct.

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='Timanator' timestamp='1394590492' post='8852377']
How is it with all the technology his clubs are not weighted and spec'ed out by now????

In Haney's book, Tiger said Hogan hit the balls very low and would not hold a modern green, maybe heavy clubs and not swing weight is correct.
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Do you think maybe he could just get higher launching shafts and a spinny ball and be ok?

[Timanator]

Tembolo

I think He would be lost in modern day golf, unless Haney was around to show him the plane.

[tembolo1284]

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Tembolo

I think He would be lost in modern day golf, unless Haney was around to show him the plane.
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Geoff to the rescue!

[farmer]

I hate to dispute Tiger, but according to Dan Jenkins (played with Hogan, covered him in his prime), Hogan hit a medium height shot than moved slightly left to right. There is also no reason O'Meara couldn't get a ball in the air with Hogan's clubs. They were, by loft, at least a club weak to post Eye 2 irons. I have absolutely no doubt that Hogan could adapt quite nicely to modern equipment.

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='farmer' timestamp='1395099974' post='8893525']
I hate to dispute Tiger, but according to Dan Jenkins (played with Hogan, covered him in his prime), Hogan hit a medium height shot than moved slightly left to right. There is also no reason O'Meara couldn't get a ball in the air with Hogan's clubs. They were, by loft, at least a club weak to post Eye 2 irons. I have absolutely no doubt that Hogan could adapt quite nicely to modern equipment.
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Ya agree there. He really liked very, very stiff shafts...so i'm sure they could give him kbs something 8.0 or whatever and he'd be fine.

[ej002]

In some Muira baby blades or whatever they are called

[tembolo1284]

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In some Muira baby blades or whatever they are called
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Haha he'd probably have his own line of heads because he don't trust them Japanese!

[dairic]

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[quote name='ej002' timestamp='1395240533' post='8904005']
In some Muira baby blades or whatever they are called
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Haha he'd probably have his own line of heads because he don't trust them Japanese!
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exactly! The Ben Hogan Golf Club Company would be alive and well, and would make custom modern clubs designed and tested by BH himself.