Removing Nickel plating from Anser Milled

[corky]

can the Caswell Nickel plating kitbe used on an Anser Milled? I kow it works on mild steelbut also stainless?

[corky]

To provide a softer feel.....PING trying to recreate their BeNi putter feel of old ....that would be my guess.

[corky]

Nah, disagree..... a very uneconomic way to provide the same cosmetic looks as a media blasted finish........

done for feel and part of feel is sound....and thats my opinion

[storm319]

[quote name='corky' timestamp='1413136318' post='10274741']
Nah, disagree..... a very uneconomic way to provide the same cosmetic looks as a media blasted finish........

done for feel and part of feel is sound....and thats my opinion
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If anything, chrome plating will generate a clicker sound and harder feel. Chrome plating is generally only used for durability purposes because its impact on feel is generally not desirable. I agree that plating stainless steel of any grade seems unecessary but that is what Ping has chosen to do with its milled putters.

[corky]

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[quote name='corky' timestamp='1413136318' post='10274741']
Nah, disagree..... a very uneconomic way to provide the same cosmetic looks as a media blasted finish........

done for feel and part of feel is sound....and thats my opinion
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If anything, chrome plating will generate a clicker sound and harder feel which few holders are looking for. Chrome plating is generally only used for durability purposes. I agree that plating stainless steel of any grade seems unecessary.
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Not looking for an argument...... but this is Nickel Plating.

It cannot be for cosmetics. it cannot be for corrosion resistance, logically it has to be for feel .......there is no other reason.

[FairwaySheriff]

[quote name='corky' timestamp='1413136318' post='10274741']
Nah, disagree..... a very uneconomic way to provide the same cosmetic looks as a media blasted finish........

done for feel and [b]part of feel is sound[/b]....and thats my opinion
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Ask a hearing impaired person if sound is part of feel.

[storm319]

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[quote name='storm319' timestamp='1413139794' post='10274917']
[quote name='corky' timestamp='1413136318' post='10274741']
Nah, disagree..... a very uneconomic way to provide the same cosmetic looks as a media blasted finish........

done for feel and part of feel is sound....and thats my opinion
[/quote]

If anything, chrome plating will generate a clicker sound and harder feel which few holders are looking for. Chrome plating is generally only used for durability purposes. I agree that plating stainless steel of any grade seems unecessary.
[/quote]

Not looking for an argument...... but this is Nickel Plating.

It cannot be for cosmetics. it cannot be for corrosion resistance, logically it has to be for feel .......there is no other reason.
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You may be right about the type if plating, but the main purpose of any type of plating is durability (wear and/or corrosion resistance). Feel is subjective, so why would Ping go through the extra plating expense just for feel?

[corky]

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[quote name='corky' timestamp='1413136318' post='10274741']
Nah, disagree..... a very uneconomic way to provide the same cosmetic looks as a media blasted finish........

done for feel and [b]part of feel is sound[/b]....and thats my opinion
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Ask a hearing impaired person if sound is part of feel.
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they wouldn't hear me.....

[corky]

Anyway to get back to my OP.... The Caswell Nickell plating stripper kit works on carbon steel but does it work on Stainless?

That is the question.... any reason why either way.

BOS can strip it but they have a turnaround of weeks..... if this Caswell Kit works i could do it in a day.....

[RookieBlue7]

Yes the Caswell kit will work on the nickel plating, as the nickel is what it reacts with not the underlying metal

[corky]

Thanks... food for thought

[Shambles]

[quote name='FairwaySheriff' timestamp='1413080022' post='10272833']
Don't know the answer to your question but why would a stainless putter need a plating. That would be over kill and a waste of money.
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Stainless is not all equal. Granted there is more basic resistance to rust, if it's a low grade stainless, it CAN eventually rust given sufficient exposure. I suspect the stainless used is a lower grade and therefore needs the plating.



Shambles

[tmcnulty30]

When you do strip the nickel off the putter... Beware it will attack the base material... In your case the stainless. It will probably pit

[Shambles]

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[quote name='Shambles' timestamp='1413167039' post='10276663']
[quote name='FairwaySheriff' timestamp='1413080022' post='10272833']
Don't know the answer to your question but why would a stainless putter need a plating. That would be over kill and a waste of money.
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Stainless is not all equal. Granted there is more basic resistance to rust, if it's a low grade stainless, it CAN eventually rust given sufficient exposure. I suspect the stainless used is a lower grade and therefore needs the plating.



Shambles
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This review says its 303. That wouldn't require a plating
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I'm fairly ignorant of at what grade Stainless can be sufficiently rust resistent to be considered virtually rust free. There was a time a couple of decades ago when stainless production here was newish and therefore available cheap. Home made stainless vehicles were pretty common and some rusted after sufficient neglient care. Marine grade, on the other hand can live on the sea and not rust, though the cost can be a killer.

I'm only certain that they come in different grades and the lesser ones, still resistent, can rust if conditions are sufficient regardless that mild steel will rust much earlier. What is puzzling me is that Stainless was actually used regardless that it costs more than mild steel. Plating will certainly bond better with mild steel than with stainless.



Shambles

[corky]

I think we are all perplexed as to why PING plated them......

Another thought I had was that they have the same finish as their Anser irons which were forged steel I believe and maybe they wanted exactly the same look hence the plating but all seems a bit like overkill. The one common reason I have read that Nickel plating in general is used is for cosmetics and or to provide an easier base metal for another plati g on top eg. gold.....but whatever.

The idea of the Caswell stripper causing pitting sounds alarm bells....

[RookieBlue7]

Unless there's pits in it before the plating, the nickel remover won't leave pits. It's not as soft a material as carbon and there's a thread here with a pro platinum that didn't pit. I've used it on carbons and it's been perfectly fine. The same will be true with stainless unless your stainless has a high concentration of nickel alloy. Call Caswell's to be sure and ask Ping about the exact grade by calling them. But unless it's a high nickel stainless it won't have pits. You gonna follow it with stainless blackener? That'd be sweet

[corky]

[quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1413323361' post='10286863']
Unless there's pits in it before the plating, the nickel remover won't leave pits. It's not as soft a material as carbon and there's a thread here with a pro platinum that didn't pit. I've used it on carbons and it's been perfectly fine. The same will be true with stainless unless your stainless has a high concentration of nickel alloy. Call Caswell's to be sure and ask Ping about the exact grade by calling them. But unless it's a high nickel stainless it won't have pits. You gonna follow it with stainless blackener? That'd be sweet
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All I know is that it's 303 stainless.... yes the idea is strip the Nickel and Blacken......If I go ahead......

[502 to Right]

I took a Ping Redwood Anser to a local nickel plating shop and they could not get off all of the nickel plating. The Black Nickel Redwood was a nickel plating over 303 stainless. He said if it had been carbon steel under the nickel plating the nickel would have come right off.

I've also discussed the issue with Kevin Colbert of Putterplating and he said that the Ping nickel over stainless is bear to remove.

Good luck.

[Shambles]

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[quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1413323361' post='10286863']
Unless there's pits in it before the plating, the nickel remover won't leave pits. It's not as soft a material as carbon and there's a thread here with a pro platinum that didn't pit. I've used it on carbons and it's been perfectly fine. The same will be true with stainless unless your stainless has a high concentration of nickel alloy. Call Caswell's to be sure and ask Ping about the exact grade by calling them. But unless it's a high nickel stainless it won't have pits. You gonna follow it with stainless blackener? That'd be sweet
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All I know is that it's 303 stainless.... yes the idea is strip the Nickel and Blacken......If I go ahead......
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Stainless will not be called stainless unless it has, I think, about 20% Nickel. It's actually Nickel that makes the carbon steel become stainless. Wiki has a rather lengthy and detailed article on stainless, for those who want the details.



Shambles

[Nessism]

Sorry to bump this old thread back up. Came to notice it because it was linked in another thread...

 

At any rate, the info about how the nickel plating really holds tight to the nickel parent material is very interesting and seems to make sense. I've got some of that Caswell's nickel stripper sauce and was thinking about dipping my Redwood Anser but now I won't bother. As far as why did Ping plate the putters in the first place is concern, I'm about 90% confident it's for the finish durability. Some people may think this is an oximoron, but simple fact is that raw stainless steel will start to pick up some patina as foreign materials imbed into the metal with years of use. Iron in the soil for example will start to bite into the metal and cause rust to form on the surface. You can get rid of this sort of crud by soaking the club in something like Bar Keepers Friend but most people don't want to mess around with this. The nickel plating eliminates such concerns and provides for a more consistent finish in the long run which is why I think Ping uses it.

[jtitleist12]

I think the sole reason Ping chose to nickel plate stainless is so that the putter would need to be sent back to them in order to be refinished. Same as the ridiculous ball bearings in the shafts of putters.

 

Plain old bead blasted stainless putters will look as good as the day you bought them/refinished them for as long as you take care of them. I wipe mine down with a Cameron silicone cloth and always use a head cover and they look brand new!

 

- Josh

[brew4eagle]

I think the sole reason Ping chose to nickel plate stainless is so that the putter would need to be sent back to them in order to be refinished. Same as the ridiculous ball bearings in the shafts of putters.

 

Plain old bead blasted stainless putters will look as good as the day you bought them/refinished them for as long as you take care of them. I wipe mine down with a Cameron silicone cloth and always use a head cover and they look brand new!

 

- Josh

Bad theory since Ping won't refinish their nickel plated putters

[Nessism]

I think the sole reason Ping chose to nickel plate stainless is so that the putter would need to be sent back to them in order to be refinished. Same as the ridiculous ball bearings in the shafts of putters.

 

Plain old bead blasted stainless putters will look as good as the day you bought them/refinished them for as long as you take care of them. I wipe mine down with a Cameron silicone cloth and always use a head cover and they look brand new!

 

- Josh

Bad theory since Ping won't refinish their nickel plated putters

 

[Scotty1140]

Ping nickel plating stainless putters is as ridiculous as those ball bearings they used to put in the shafts of their plumbers necks.

 

For as innovative as classic Ping putters were, their modern releases are awful IMO. I'd roll one of my classic BeCu's or BeNi's before any of that TR stuff any day.

[Nessism]

I love my nickel plated Redwood Anser. The finish is a little bright sometimes but oh well.

 

As far as TR grooves are concern, to each their own. I wouldn't mind owning a TR 1966 Anser...

 

[jtitleist12]

I think the sole reason Ping chose to nickel plate stainless is so that the putter would need to be sent back to them in order to be refinished. Same as the ridiculous ball bearings in the shafts of putters.

 

Plain old bead blasted stainless putters will look as good as the day you bought them/refinished them for as long as you take care of them. I wipe mine down with a Cameron silicone cloth and always use a head cover and they look brand new!

 

- Josh

Bad theory since Ping won't refinish their nickel plated putters

 

 

Except for Ping did in fact used to refinish the nickel plate into the Starshot finish. They have since stopped doing that, but that still doesn't change my original point of having to get the putter sent back to be stripped in house.

 

- Josh

[Nessism]

Except for Ping did in fact used to refinish the nickel plate into the Starshot finish. They have since stopped doing that, but that still doesn't change my original point of having to get the putter sent back to be stripped in house.

 

- Josh

 

Send the putter to whom for "stripped in house"? Ping doesn't do that sort of work.

[jtitleist12]

Except for Ping did in fact used to refinish the nickel plate into the Starshot finish. They have since stopped doing that, but that still doesn't change my original point of having to get the putter sent back to be stripped in house.

 

- Josh

 

Send the putter to whom for "stripped in house"? Ping doesn't do that sort of work.

 

PING used to offer that service. I had an original Anser Redwood that was redone to Starshot and had tungsten weights added back in 2008.

 

- Josh