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3 hours ago, Nard_S said:

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Those are some killer bags. Baby Blades too? SMTH, lol.

Just bought a home on the course at my country club, so had an excuse to have multiple sets now! cant wait for the baby blades to get here. Excited to feel the Miuras with those recoil protos. Should be an amazing set up on those heads! 

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1 hour ago, Ron T said:

Do those weight difference make a big difference. What makes someone pick one over the other. My Cleveland Byron Nelsons were S400 but again I'm 20 years older. My murfields had black label true temper S. I'm sure at 63 I should move to an R flex but what weight?

 

Well, it probably does not add up to a whole lot of difference,...... however...... I'm fully partial to S400, in fact my all time favorite,  have S100's, do not like them but I'm okay w/ S300. S200's is a standard for JDM offerings, which I personally do not care for. So, yeah it matters, I guess. Dynamic Gold is not an "easy" shaft. That's my view., They were designed for Pro like swings and they still stand up decades later on the tour.

 

If you are just returning, stay in zip code of what you know but maybe slightly lighter and softer in flex. MB's work better with some give in the flex, imo. See Apex. DG R300 seems safe choice  However there is a ton of options nowadays and this is a gray area especially if point of reference are DG pre-1990.  Personally, I recommend 99 Hogan Apex w/ FM shafts. If one cannot get on & enjoy with those, there's zero hope. 

 

Demo days and bays can be of help here. Fleabay some shafts, experiment, break out the lead tape, dig some dirt. Have fun with it.  

 

 

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On 9/11/2020 at 3:59 PM, Jonesy said:

Club champs weekend for me this weekend, looking for a smooth no fuss 2 days of golf. Hitting my irons so solid at the moment which is encouraging, just need to roll in a couple of putts! 

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In true Airplane! spirit, I should post this about four times, including at least once after your Club Championship has finished.

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16 hours ago, Ron T said:

Can you describe the difference between r100 r200 r300 r400 and the s versions of those shafts. Also are apex shafts available. I guess I could do a goggle search. But I like peoples experience.

 

Just adding a bit to what @Nard_S said. The main difference between the R, S, and X flexes in the Dynamic Gold shafts is the stepping, or to put it another way, the length from the tip to the first step. The 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 show weight differences. An S400 shaft uncut is, for example, heavier than an X100 uncut. I suppose a simple rule is, if you want more heft go for a bigger number. I used to hit the ball high, and liked the x100 because they helped reduced the apex height, especially in the more lofted irons. Now, I prefer the s400s. I'm not a great fan of the S200s, but I can play them. The R400s, which are quite common in older irons over here, are, I think, a terrible combination as they are heavy but soft. Takes some getting used to.

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10 hours ago, Nard_S said:

 

Well, it probably does not add up to a whole lot of difference,...... however...... I'm fully partial to S400, in fact my all time favorite,  have S100's, do not like them but I'm okay w/ S300. S200's is a standard for JDM offerings, which I personally do not care for. So, yeah it matters, I guess. Dynamic Gold is not an "easy" shaft. That's my view., They were designed for Pro like swings and they still stand up decades later on the tour.

 

If you are just returning, stay in zip code of what you know but maybe slightly lighter and softer in flex. MB's work better with some give in the flex, imo. See Apex. DG R300 seems safe choice  However there is a ton of options nowadays and this is a gray area especially if point of reference are DG pre-1990.  Personally, I recommend 99 Hogan Apex w/ FM shafts. If one cannot get on & enjoy with those, there's zero hope. 

 

Demo days and bays can be of help here. Fleabay some shafts, experiment, break out the lead tape, dig some dirt. Have fun with it.  

 

 

 

1 hour ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

Just adding a bit to what @Nard_S said. The main difference between the R, S, and X flexes in the Dynamic Gold shafts is the stepping, or to put it another way, the length from the tip to the first step. The 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 show weight differences. An S400 shaft uncut is, for example, heavier than an X100 uncut. I suppose a simple rule is, if you want more heft go for a bigger number. I used to hit the ball high, and liked the x100 because they helped reduced the apex height, especially in the more lofted irons. Now, I prefer the s400s. I'm not a great fan of the S200s, but I can play them. The R400s, which are quite common in older irons over here, are, I think, a terrible combination as they are heavy but soft. Takes some getting used to.

I use to hit the ball very high with my Murfields and the Byron Nelsons. I bought some Haig Ultra's off ebay. They have whatever shaft they came with in 68 and I hit them a little lower than I use to hit my other irons. But again I am 20 years older. The haigs seem more center weighted where the murfields have that huge muscle in the back and the Byron nelsons were similar in that regard...They were reissues of a Mac club. The back wasn't as deep. I went to the dynamic gold site and then went through the project X shaft recommendation app and it came up with Project X LZ Steel 6.0. Any comments on these stepless shafts? I had no issue back in the day swinging an s400 shaft and I keep myself in shape with strength training. I guess I need to go and see a fitter to see the differences and get an idea of shaft will work for me now. Thanks for the info I appreciate your time

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LZ is a softer version of PX.

PX is said to be stiffest tipped of shafts and are strong to flex. I would not know 1st hand but they supposedly launch higher than classic DG and are slightly lighter. I have a 6.5 #5i shaft to test but it is said that short irons reveal more about PX shafts.

 

You know, you're in an ideal situation to pay for a shaft fitting. It will probably save you money to book 2 hours with a monitor and test 5-6 configurations. You've settled on using blades and for the most part, MB's do not radically vary. But shaft spec and weight spec make big dent in perception of how good a blade is to a user.

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2 hours ago, Nard_S said:

LZ is a softer version of PX.

PX is said to be stiffest tipped of shafts and are strong to flex. I would not know 1st hand but they supposedly launch higher than classic DG and are slightly lighter. I have a 6.5 #5i shaft to test but it is said that short irons reveal more about PX shafts.

 

You know, you're in an ideal situation to pay for a shaft fitting. It will probably save you money to book 2 hours with a monitor and test 5-6 configurations. You've settled on using blades and for the most part, MB's do not radically vary. But shaft spec and weight spec make big dent in perception of how good a blade is to a user.

At 63 I'm thinking I'll probably need a little more flex in the shaft but I think you're right. I play blades because I learned on them and I don't think they were ever the reason behind a bad shot. I've only gone to the range 3 times and I'm hitting the ball better than I expected. except the driver....LOL..I was never a good driver....always a better iron player. That brings me to a whole other dilemma and that is oversized drivers. My favorite driver I ever had was a Mac M75...probably the smallest driver head made. I'll try to ask questions about that in another thread

 

I plan on putting whatever shaft into those Mac JN blades I bought.

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On 9/12/2020 at 3:27 PM, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

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In true Airplane! spirit, I should post this about four times, including at least once after your Club Championship has finished.

Thanks No Catchy!

 

Had a rough first day, just couldn't get off the tee and got stuck on the bogey train... Yesterday there was hectic winds, probably averaging around 40km/h, balls were being affected on the green, playing into the wind was like 3 clubs more than usual, downhill/downwind putts were practically impossible. So obviously I played my best golf yesterday, I think I even ended up with the best round of the day shooting +4, which I'll take in those conditions.

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22 minutes ago, Jonesy said:

Thanks No Catchy!

 

Had a rough first day, just couldn't get off the tee and got stuck on the bogey train... Yesterday there was hectic winds, probably averaging around 40km/h, balls were being affected on the green, playing into the wind was like 3 clubs more than usual, downhill/downwind putts were practically impossible. So obviously I played my best golf yesterday, I think I even ended up with the best round of the day shooting +4, which I'll take in those conditions.

 

+4 in conditions like that is a very good score, especially as I imagine the pin position and set up generally was on the tougher side for the Club Championship. Is your home course a coastal course, because that's some strong wind?

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

+4 in conditions like that is a very good score, especially as I imagine the pin position and set up generally was on the tougher side for the Club Championship. Is your home course a coastal course, because that's some strong wind?

 

 

 

Thanks No Catchy,I'll definitely take it!

 

Yeah the setup was a bit tougher as well, apparently they saw the wind forecast and eased up on some of the tee box positions but not by much... we are about 30km from the coast so we get some wind but never as bad as this. If we we on a coastal course like Durban Country Club yesterday I imagine we would have been called off.

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On 9/12/2020 at 7:13 PM, Ron T said:

At 63 I'm thinking I'll probably need a little more flex in the shaft but I think you're right. I play blades because I learned on them and I don't think they were ever the reason behind a bad shot. I've only gone to the range 3 times and I'm hitting the ball better than I expected. except the driver....LOL..I was never a good driver....always a better iron player. That brings me to a whole other dilemma and that is oversized drivers. My favorite driver I ever had was a Mac M75...probably the smallest driver head made. I'll try to ask questions about that in another thread

 

I plan on putting whatever shaft into those Mac JN blades I bought.

 

 

 

I forgot about this but these guys are real informative about gear in general. Here they compare some of the shafts we are talking about. I believe there are other comparisons they've done.

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On 9/14/2020 at 9:49 PM, Jonesy said:

Thanks No Catchy,I'll definitely take it!

 

Yeah the setup was a bit tougher as well, apparently they saw the wind forecast and eased up on some of the tee box positions but not by much... we are about 30km from the coast so we get some wind but never as bad as this. If we we on a coastal course like Durban Country Club yesterday I imagine we would have been called off.

 

Aren't you heading into spring in SA? So the winds were sort of early spring weather? I remember getting some pretty windy weather in March/April in the UK, but 40km/h winds were rare. I did enjoy once skying my driver into a gale and having the ball land 2 yards behind me (balata...they span a lot....).

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So I'm listening to this again and I passed on bad info earlier. Project X is higher launching, lower spinning shaft in comparison to Dynamic Gold. I stated PX spun more, incorrect but they are rather stiff to flex. The launch profile sounds a lot like classic Rifle but one needs to keep in mind that Rifle's are descending weight & PX are constant weight. That aspect is something to unpack also. I'm agnostic on descending vs constant. I used to feel better about CW but some of my favorite MB sets have descending weight setup. I'm playing Rifle's right now in X but I easily swing into DG S400 & DG S400U. But enough about me, lol. Good luck.

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4 hours ago, Nard_S said:

So I'm listening to this again and I passed on bad info earlier. Project X is higher launching, lower spinning shaft in comparison to Dynamic Gold. I stated PX spun more, incorrect but they are rather stiff to flex. The launch profile sounds a lot like classic Rifle but one needs to keep in mind that Rifle's are descending weight & PX are constant weight. That aspect is something to unpack also. I'm agnostic on descending vs constant. I used to feel better about CW but some of my favorite MB sets have descending weight setup. I'm playing Rifle's right now in X but I easily swing into DG S400 & DG S400U. But enough about me, lol. Good luck.

Thanks again. I think I will go look into a fitting for shafts. I have no idea what my spin rate is or any of the modern tech talk stuff. I know I use to hit the ball high and I was a little longer than most back in the day. Now...who knows. When I played the murfields keeping the ball down was always an issue for me. The Haigs I bought off ebay don't have as much of a LCG their weight seem to run along the center of the blade due to where that center bulge is. And I don't hit them as high as the murfields but again I'm 20 years older and haven't hit balls in 20 years. I'm sure I hit it lower with less spin and I'm sure I no where near as long as I was. I hit the haig 7 iron maybe 150 and it's loft is 39. I do know I use to hit my 7 about 170 with the black band true temper shafts in my murfields and the s400's in my cleveland byron nelson set.

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4 hours ago, Nard_S said:

So I'm listening to this again and I passed on bad info earlier. Project X is higher launching, lower spinning shaft in comparison to Dynamic Gold. I stated PX spun more, incorrect but they are rather stiff to flex. The launch profile sounds a lot like classic Rifle but one needs to keep in mind that Rifle's are descending weight & PX are constant weight. That aspect is something to unpack also. I'm agnostic on descending vs constant. I used to feel better about CW but some of my favorite MB sets have descending weight setup. I'm playing Rifle's right now in X but I easily swing into DG S400 & DG S400U. But enough about me, lol. Good luck.

 

When I played PX 6.5 in a set of Golden Rams back in the day, they definitely got up quickly, but were also obviously lower spin; the trajectory flattened rather quickly.

 

Personally, not fond of the bend profile.  Prefer DG profile, as a rule

 

 

11 minutes ago, boggyman said:

Looking for insight on these.🤷‍♂️Anyone ever play them??? 

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Highly regarded over the years, but don't remember specific folks who've played them, or specific comments about them.

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Driver:  Cobra Fly-Z+, Xcaliber 7.5 TS, 44", King LTD, HZRDUS 75 6.5, 44.25"
3w:  Cobra King LTD, Aldila Tour Blue 85 S, 42.5"; Stage 2 Tour, SO Fiber Tour Trac 100 X, 42.5"
Hybrid:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, NV105 S or DGS400

Irons grab bag:  Mizuno MP-37, DGS300; Golden Ram TW276, NV105; Golden Ram TW282, Precision 6.5; Ram TG-898, Super Peening Blue X; 1980 Golden Rams, Dynamic S; MacGregor Muirfield, Dynamic S; Wilson Staff 78 Tour Blades, Dynamic S
GW:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, DGS400
SW:  Ram Watson Scoring System 55*, DGX 7i shaft; Ram TG-898, DGS400; Ram TG-898, NV105 S; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS300; Ram 1982 Commemorative Nickel 58*, Dynamic S; Ram TW282, DGS; Ram TW276, DGS
LW:  Maltby Design 60* mid sole, DGS400; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, NV105 S
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34.25"; Yes! Nicky, 34"
Balls: Wilson Staff Duo Professional or 50 Elite, TP5

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43 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

When I played PX 6.5 in a set of Golden Rams back in the day, they definitely got up quickly, but were also obviously lower spin; the trajectory flattened rather quickly.

 

Personally, not fond of the bend profile.  Prefer DG profile, as a rule

 

 

 

Highly regarded over the years, but don't remember specific folks who've played them, or specific comments about them.

Thanks. Can get a veryyy  good set on the cheap is why I asked. 

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21 hours ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

Aren't you heading into spring in SA? So the winds were sort of early spring weather? I remember getting some pretty windy weather in March/April in the UK, but 40km/h winds were rare. I did enjoy once skying my driver into a gale and having the ball land 2 yards behind me (balata...they span a lot....).

We are indeed heading into spring, usually a great time of the year to play, everything starts softening up and the greens really come alive. That wind was a strange one, its been so calm the last few days. 

 

I'm pretty sure I watched a couple balls stop dead in the air and fall straight down on Sunday! I would have packed up if any came back over my head though... 

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On 9/16/2020 at 8:04 PM, Jonesy said:

We are indeed heading into spring, usually a great time of the year to play, everything starts softening up and the greens really come alive. That wind was a strange one, its been so calm the last few days. 

 

I'm pretty sure I watched a couple balls stop dead in the air and fall straight down on Sunday! I would have packed up if any came back over my head though... 

 

Autumn and Spring are the best times here. Although I've played quite a bit this summer, it's really a bit too hot and humid to really enjoy 100%. Looking forward to getting some rounds in over the next 2~3 months, before the grass goes dormant.

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This last week, after months of horrendous swing problems, I've finally not only figured out what I was doing wrong (did that a couple of months ago), but also how to fix it. As I'm now able to find the middle of the club again and hit it on the line I want without flipping the club and smother-hooking, I've decided to revisit my 4-iron spot. You may want to skip the background.

 

BACKGROUND: This has always been a problem spot for me, and currently I bag a 23* hybrid and a 24* 4i. I use the 4i mostly on long par 3s, and occasionally tee shots on short, tight par 4s, but my usual courses don't have many of either hole. The hybrid is a par-5 layup/attack green club, and also a rescue club. Although I don't need to open an extra spot in my bag, I've been experimenting with driving irons and what-have-you in order to slim the bag down.

 

MEAT:Today I went to a shop with a basic launch monitor and tried out four different 4 irons

1) Titleist 712U with KBS 110 Tour R-flex

2) Old Callaway Apex Pro with Memphis 10 shaft (U-flex?)

3) Ping i500 with Modus 120X

4) Mizuno MP 68 with PX6.0 → This was my "control" club, as it was most similar to my MP4 4i

 

I've hit the 712U before, and liked the feel, but the results on the monitor weren't great. It was short--I was struggling to hit 190 yards with it--but a couple of shots went over 210. In other words, distance control was terrible. And, honestly, I was hitting the middle of the club, but still struggling to get over 190, and that's with carryedit: rollout.

The old Callaway Apex was the easiest of the four to hit, but distance dispersion was no better than the 712U. The longest hit was 210, which about what I'm after, but other strikes from the middle were only going 180~190.

The Ping was the longest, with a couple of hits going 217 yards, but not great dispersion. I think my shortest of a good strike was 192, which means a 25 yard difference on good hits. That's not what I want if I'm hitting into a par 3.

Finally, the MP-68. This might not surprise you, but distance dispersion was the best. Although not the longest (210 was my longest), I was averaging 200 wth it. The other bonus was spin was higher, about 3,800rpm compared to under 2,500~2,800 with the 712U and i500. If I'm hitting into a par 3, I want the ball to stop.

 

CONCLUSION: I'll keep looking, but I reckon I stick with my blade 4i for par 3s and tee shots and hybrid for other shots for the time being. 

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23 minutes ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

MEAT:Today I went to a shop with a basic launch monitor and tried out four different 4 irons

1) Titleist 712U with KBS 110 Tour R-flex

2) Old Callaway Apex Pro with Memphis 10 shaft (U-flex?)

3) Ping i500 with Modus 120X

4) Mizuno MP 68 with PX6.0 → This was my "control" club, as it was most similar to my MP4 4i

 

 

Keep looking - those seem to be some eclectic choices. Pretty wide variation in shafts and flexes too. I'd be looking for something with the same shaft as my irons in the 4 iron spot. I went with a hybrid 22 degree (which I think is basically a 3i) and Now I am going with a 20 degree 3i (the TMB) and a Mr23 4i. Honestly my favorite clubs are long irons - have been since forever.

 

On the topic of 4 irons I hit one out of the rough last round that kind of shocked me. I cold topped a 3-iron off the tee leaving 240 yards to the front of the green. I had 3-iron in my hand for the second shot and then, when I looked at the lie ( a little cuppy and fluffy) I thought maybe it was best to go with a 4i. I hit it solid and it came out low. Thing ended up 10 yards behind the green. If anything, the wind was a little into us that hole. Never hit a four iron that far on a flat hole. That was the only 4-iron I hit all day... didn't hit a 5 iron either... or a 6.

 

This shot also brings me to shafts. I'm using TTDGX100. It's hard to get a ball to turn with these. I have to make an effort to impact the spin. With S300 I get them turning left. With S400 I do too, but they generally start a little further right. They all have about the same height, but coming from different heads. These days at the range I warm up with a selection of MBs Mizuno MS-203s with S200 (worst shaft - starts left, goes left), Founders 200 with s300, Hagen Crenshaws (s400). By the time I get to the MR23s the swing is going good.

 

Hit the driver well the 27 holes I played. Only lost one ball. Two others were ob - on the course. Pulled one on a short par 4 and another on a par 5. Ended up bogeying both of those. So, for 3 balls ob I was 4 over. I hit no more than 7 iron into all 6 par 5s. Still generating some power, but felt it the next day.

 

The China Virus has done a number on my training routine. Haven't seen the inside of a gym or stepped in a pool all year. What a shame.

 

Took a job at a high school this fall, so I probably won't get to play all that much with my irregular Monday group. Got a game planned for the end of September at a nice track I ripped up last time. We'll see how I fair next time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Christen_The_Sloop said:

Keep looking - those seem to be some eclectic choices. Pretty wide variation in shafts and flexes too. I'd be looking for something with the same shaft as my irons in the 4 iron spot. I went with a hybrid 22 degree (which I think is basically a 3i) and Now I am going with a 20 degree 3i (the TMB) and a Mr23 4i. Honestly my favorite clubs are long irons - have been since forever.

 

On the topic of 4 irons I hit one out of the rough last round that kind of shocked me. I cold topped a 3-iron off the tee leaving 240 yards to the front of the green. I had 3-iron in my hand for the second shot and then, when I looked at the lie ( a little cuppy and fluffy) I thought maybe it was best to go with a 4i. I hit it solid and it came out low. Thing ended up 10 yards behind the green. If anything, the wind was a little into us that hole. Never hit a four iron that far on a flat hole. That was the only 4-iron I hit all day... didn't hit a 5 iron either... or a 6.

 

This shot also brings me to shafts. I'm using TTDGX100. It's hard to get a ball to turn with these. I have to make an effort to impact the spin. With S300 I get them turning left. With S400 I do too, but they generally start a little further right. They all have about the same height, but coming from different heads. These days at the range I warm up with a selection of MBs Mizuno MS-203s with S200 (worst shaft - starts left, goes left), Founders 200 with s300, Hagen Crenshaws (s400). By the time I get to the MR23s the swing is going good.

 

Hit the driver well the 27 holes I played. Only lost one ball. Two others were ob - on the course. Pulled one on a short par 4 and another on a par 5. Ended up bogeying both of those. So, for 3 balls ob I was 4 over. I hit no more than 7 iron into all 6 par 5s. Still generating some power, but felt it the next day.

 

The China Virus has done a number on my training routine. Haven't seen the inside of a gym or stepped in a pool all year. What a shame.

 

Took a job at a high school this fall, so I probably won't get to play all that much with my irregular Monday group. Got a game planned for the end of September at a nice track I ripped up last time. We'll see how I fair next time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 4i choices were based on what was in the shop (it was a Golf Partner), and I sort of deliberately went for wildly different shafts to see if there were any surprises. On that note, I don't normally like Modus 120, but the X (maybe TX?) had a nice whip to it through impact.

 

Now as for X100...I haven't that shaft for a while, but I used to love it. I've got an old set of Macs that I reshafted with X100, and perhaps I should take them out. Right now, I think I could manage them.

 

As for that 4i shot you hit...I wonder if the cuppy lie led to a low spin bullet. Still a massive hit.

 

You're going to be full-time at the high school? That's going to make weekday golf difficult, isn't it?

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