How Much Shaft To Trim Off To Allow For The Grip Cap?

[EmperorPenguin]

I can trim shafts easily, but my fear is trimming off too much or not enough. I want to be very exact with trimming shafts so when I put the grip on, the club will measure an exact length from the floor to the tip of the grip cap. However, I often find myself guessing because I am not sure exactly how much to allow for the grip cap (i.e., where the shaft ends and the rubber of the grip cap begins). Usually I can see a line that circles near the top of the grip cap, but sometimes that line is not reliable. I reckon that for most grips, the butt end takes up about 1/4" of the shaft, so for a 37.5" 5 iron, I must trim the shaft to 37.25" to allow for the grip cap? First of all, is there an industry standard among golf grip companies, that they are all supposed to take up about 1/4"? Secondly, if there is no industry standard, what is the most reliable way to determine the grip cap depth so I can better trim the club to an exact length?

[SUMM1T]

Typically the grip cap is 1/8".

[MadGolfer76]

For Golf Pride, I usually just trim 1/4 under desired final length. It helps to buy one extra grip and cut it to set on a pre-gripped club to help determine the right length. A quarter of an inch isn't going to make a big difference either way.

[rebby]

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Typically the grip cap is 1/8".
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For Golf Pride, I usually just trim 1/4 under desired final length. It helps to buy one extra grip and cut it to set on a pre-gripped club to help determine the right length. A quarter of an inch isn't going to make a big difference either way.
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[color=#282828]Sounds like we're basically in agreement. I always trim 3/16" to account for the grip.[/color]

[SUMM1T]

I would rather be on the long side when trimming. That is much easier to "fix" then being short.

[DYOS4]

2nd on the 1/4 inch.

[rcain1us]

The true measurement of the club is to the point where the grip cap starts, not to the actual end of the grip - so it really doesn't matter.

Or even easier - your final measurement should be to the end of the shaft before you install a grip

[Kenny Lee Puckett]

only +4 handicaps should be allowed to work on their own clubs Penguin.


[size=3]this is not an attack on all Penguins, I like Penguins, in fact Lovelace is my favorite.[/size]

[Socrates]

There is far too much variation in grip cap lengths. I'm with a few OEMs and measure everything to the top of the butt of the shaft. That way if grips are swapped for something else, I've maintained one measurement as constant.

For those that are too anal about it, cut open your favorite grip and measure the grip cap thickness. Then you know for that particular grip. If I know that someone "needs" to have it to the top of the grip, I allow 1/8". Standard for most grips. Any variation from that is really immaterial and you'll never notice it.

[Shambles]

Stick the narrow end of your shaft inside the grip to the end and mark the length. Then put the grip beside the the narrow end to the very tip and mark the difference. Measure and do the math.



Shambles

[Armypilot84]

Industry standard is usually 1/8 inch. It's not a huge deal if you do not get it perfect to be honest.

[MB_Viking]

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Stick the narrow end of your shaft inside the grip to the end and mark the length. Then put the grip beside the the narrow end to the very tip and mark the difference. Measure and do the math.



Shambles
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This +1

I've been using a long wooden dowel for this purpose. It isn't rocket science.

[ljbrandt]

Sorry to revive an old thread, but I thought this would be the best place to ask my question:

 

I've got a wedge that I would like extended 3/16 - 1/4". I'd prefer not to use extensions if I can find a particular grip that would add this length via the butt.

 

Club currently has a Mizuno logo golf pride M-21 grip, std. Are there any grips with "extra long butts" that would allow me to add this desired length without an extension? Also, I'm looking to go midsize, if that makes any difference.

[dunn]

1/4.........I have tons of used cutoff grips I use for drybuilding.....I can see the butt end pretty well and pretty sure I even measured it once.....I go by 1/4, definetly not 1/8......possibly 3/16 but 1/4 inch is rule of thumb.......also tape runs over butt end and I use 3 wraps.........1/4 has worked out on dot for me

[Stuart_G]

The problem with "rules of thumbs" is that there are way too many different thumbs out there.

 

Grip cap size can vary anywhere from 1/16" to 1/4" or even a bit more. Also it can depend on where on the grip cap you measure the length to. Most used the edge of the cap (as they really should) but some might measure to the very top of the cap dome so that can effect what you might see for length. Now if you want to talk averages, among the various grips I've worked with, 1/8" seems to be by far the most common. But that's just my observations.

 

 

I've got a wedge that I would like extended 3/16 - 1/4". I'd prefer not to use extensions if I can find a particular grip that would add this length via the butt.

 

But I can't think of any that I've actually used that gave a full 1/4" so can't give any specific recommendations for using a grip to help extend the playing length. But there are ways to extend that little amount without using a full extension. For just 1/4" you don't really need any structural strength in that extension. A small piece of a shaft cut-off or even small cutoff from a wooden dowel of the right size can be used for that little amount.

[ljbrandt]

But I can't think of any that I've actually used that gave a full 1/4" so can't give any specific recommendations for using a grip to help extend the playing length. But there are ways to extend that little amount without using a full extension. For just 1/4" you don't really need any structural strength in that extension. A small piece of a shaft cut-off or even small cutoff from a wooden dowel of the right size can be used for that little amount.

 

What do you think about the Boccieri Secret Grip...seems like there's a good bit of butt length just from looking at the pictures. I'm guessing the counter-weight is housed in the butt so it needs to be longer. Not sure if it can be taken out though...

[apprenti23]

1/8"

 

If you cut a shaft to X length, after grip installation you will be at X length plus 1/8".

[Howard_Jones]

1/8"

 

If you cut a shaft to X length, after grip installation you will be at X length plus 1/8".

 

Yes, 1/8 is the most common, and thats why the Mitchell ruler block has a slot so we mark and cut the shaft 1/8" shorter than target play length.

 

I used for the most Golf Pride grips, and i never saw any of them who was more than 1/8 so the only grip i recall had a thicker grip cap is Jumbo max with a kind of hemi shaped cap, but those grips is "very special" to start with so they cant really be counted for as a norm,

 

EDIT : if you are using build up tape, it shall be cut so it DONT folds over the end of the shaft, its only the grip tape, the last layer who shall be longer than the shaft to "seal" the end of the shaft.

[Stuart_G]

What do you think about the Boccieri Secret Grip...seems like there's a good bit of butt length just from looking at the pictures. I'm guessing the counter-weight is housed in the butt so it needs to be longer. Not sure if it can be taken out though...

 

Sorry, no experience with them so couldn't say.

[DaveGoodrich]

What do you think about the Boccieri Secret Grip...seems like there's a good bit of butt length just from looking at the pictures. I'm guessing the counter-weight is housed in the butt so it needs to be longer. Not sure if it can be taken out though...

 

Sorry, no experience with them so couldn't say.

 

I tried. The weight is really molded in so it can't be removed without ruining the grip.

[Howard_Jones]

When ever in doubt, just measure it using a shaft tip you put into the grip, set a mark, take it out and compare to total length of the grip and you will know how much the grip cap adds.

[CKaneb]

On 12/5/2016 at 10:38 PM, Stuart_G said:

 

Sorry, no experience with them so couldn't say.

Stuart, you seem like one of the most knowledgeable people on this site so hopefully you can answer this. How long is the cap on a Lamkin Crossline Full-Cord Midsize. I just ordered a set of 13 for my bag and I intend on putting them in some irons i'm building but need to cut the shafts. This thread specifically says to measure 1/8" but I just measured the cap on the old midsize grips i cut out of the shafts and its a lot closer to 1/4" (Golf Pride Z-Grip Cord Midsize)

[Socrates]

38 minutes ago, CKaneb said:

Stuart, you seem like one of the most knowledgeable people on this site so hopefully you can answer this. How long is the cap on a Lamkin Crossline Full-Cord Midsize. I just ordered a set of 13 for my bag and I intend on putting them in some irons i'm building but need to cut the shafts. This thread specifically says to measure 1/8" but I just measured the cap on the old midsize grips i cut out of the shafts and its a lot closer to 1/4" (Golf Pride Z-Grip Cord Midsize)

I thought I had a midsize Lamkin X-Line Full Cord (must have it on a club somewhere), but the Std X-Line cords are 1/8" butt cap.  I would have no reason to suspect that they are any different.

 

Golf Pride Z and MCC cords are all thicker.

[CKaneb]

3 minutes ago, Socrates said:

I thought I had a midsize Lamkin X-Line Full Cord (must have it on a club somewhere), but the Std X-Line cords are 1/8" butt cap.  I would have no reason to suspect that they are any different.

 

Golf Pride Z and MCC cords are all thicker.

perfect thank you so much. Yeah I know that Golf Prides (at least the one I was playing) was a .600" grip and the Lamkins I just bought were .580"

 

I didn't know if that affected cap size

[Socrates]

3 minutes ago, CKaneb said:

perfect thank you so much. Yeah I know that Golf Prides (at least the one I was playing) was a .600" grip and the Lamkins I just bought were .580"

 

I didn't know if that affected cap size

Cap size isn't affected by whether they are .600 or .580. 

 

Cap thickness will vary from OEM to OEM and as is the case with Golf Pride, some are different than others.  Tour Velvet (not the 360 ones) are all 1/8" as were most of the older lines.  Newer ones are thicker (not sure why).

[Radeon962]

On 6/29/2015 at 5:16 PM, MadGolfer76 said:

For Golf Pride, I usually just trim 1/4 under desired final length. It helps to buy one extra grip and cut it to set on a pre-gripped club to help determine the right length. A quarter of an inch isn't going to make a big difference either way.

I keep an assortment of cut grips from previous clubs to use to dry fit swingweight and length, especially on irons as I can add tip weights to hit a specific swingweight.

[Stuart_G]

3 hours ago, CKaneb said:

Stuart, you seem like one of the most knowledgeable people on this site so hopefully you can answer this. How long is the cap on a Lamkin Crossline Full-Cord Midsize. I just ordered a set of 13 for my bag and I intend on putting them in some irons i'm building but need to cut the shafts. This thread specifically says to measure 1/8" but I just measured the cap on the old midsize grips i cut out of the shafts and its a lot closer to 1/4" (Golf Pride Z-Grip Cord Midsize)

2 hours ago, Socrates said:

I thought I had a midsize Lamkin X-Line Full Cord (must have it on a club somewhere), but the Std X-Line cords are 1/8" butt cap.  I would have no reason to suspect that they are any different.

 

Golf Pride Z and MCC cords are all thicker.

 

Not used the crossline full cord but have used lots of other Lamkin grips (my preferred grip)   But they all have either been pretty close to 1/8".   Not sure I bothered to measure exactly since I consistently allow for a 1/8" grip cap regardless of what grip I actually use.

 

That's really the only thing that's important - consistency.  +/- 1/8" as grip cap size varies isn't going to have any effect on the performance of the club.

[Billfitz]

+1. The only thing a 1/8" deviation will affect is one's OCD. 🤒

[Howard_Jones]

8 hours ago, Socrates said:

Cap size isn't affected by whether they are .600 or .580. 

 

Cap thickness will vary from OEM to OEM and as is the case with Golf Pride, some are different than others.  Tour Velvet (not the 360 ones) are all 1/8" as were most of the older lines.  Newer ones are thicker (not sure why).

After +4 grips came to the marked, we have seen that the grips BP is moving, so to me this thicker grip caps seems to be designed to "trick the SW scale" by adding about 1/8" or so to the grip cap, and by that make the club 1/8" longer = 0.75 SWP higher return value instead of a drop due to higher grip weight..."the SW scale religion"....

[Socrates]

7 hours ago, Howard_Jones said:

After +4 grips came to the marked, we have seen that the grips BP is moving, so to me this thicker grip caps seems to be designed to "trick the SW scale" by adding about 1/8" or so to the grip cap, and by that make the club 1/8" longer = 0.75 SWP higher return value instead of a drop due to higher grip weight..."the SW scale religion"....

That seems like a very plausible reason.