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As far as the backswing goes, GG has a lot of options. As lopey986 pointed out, his IG account shows a lot of different backswings. Some will be across the line (although Ruiz isn’t really ATL at the top) and some will be more ‘on plane.’ Most will have a fairly centered pivot, some will move off the ball more and use more upper thoracic spine extension to ‘center’ themselves and some will move off the ball with little UTS extension.

 

Jared Ledbetter is probably more of a copy of Matthew Wolff’s swing than Johnny Ruiz. For myself, my backswing varies a bit from time-to-time. I will get Across the Line at times and other times I will look perfectly on plane. That’s because my tendency is to get laid off at the top and a lot of issues happen from there. So I tend to favor going across the line because it’s better for me to err that way than to get laid off at the top.

 

Essentially, GG wants internal rotation of the right shoulder at the top of the swing so you can use the stretch shorten cycle which will allow you to rotate the rear shoulder externally in the downswing. You can have your forearms rotated at the top different ways to provide a across the line look or an ‘on plane’ look.

 

The downswing is more similar from player to player as far as the pivot action and where he wants to see the club move.

 

 

 

 

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I find this trail shoulder internal to external really interesting. Many instructors seem to tell people that you need to go external into the back swing. Does that not make it more difficult to go (even more?) external in the down swing? Does not seem a natural move or creating a sling effect. Internal to external does.

Yep. There is something called the stretch-shortening-cycle. Basically if you stretch a muscle and add in some force, the muscle with fire in the opposite direction it's stretched. It will naturally contract.

 

You would never see a baseball pitcher take his arm back externally then hold it and throw the pitch. Same concept applies to the golf swing. You actually get more power going internal to external.

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Wasn't Matt wolf who kinda inspired gankas to teach that swing, across the line at top etc. He was swinging that way before gankas and other instructors tried to change it. Ruiz wanted to swing like wolf and was a complete rebuild by George. Remember watching an interview where he mentioned all this

 

GG doesn't really preach any one way to swing, this is pretty evident by his IG. He watches you swing and then tries to build something around what you naturally do, as any good coach should do.

 

Also GG is on the bag for Wolff this weekend, that'll be cool to see.

 

Of course, plenty of backswings you see on his instagram. I'm specifically talking about the crossed up one that he teaches frequently. After watching that interview with him it seemed it became much more popular for him to teach or originated with Matt Wolf.

 

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I always seem to have trouble understanding the internal / external shoulder rotation in the backswing / transition. Is this correct - internal rotation of the right shoulder (for righty) would be the elbow rotating up and away from body and external rotation in the transition would be the elbow rotating to get in front of the right hip? Going from internal to external in transition would be a "shallowing move"?

 

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I always seem to have trouble understanding the internal / external shoulder rotation in the backswing / transition. Is this correct - internal rotation of the right shoulder (for righty) would be the elbow rotating up and away from body and external rotation in the transition would be the elbow rotating to get in front of the right hip? Going from internal to external in transition would be a "shallowing move"?

 

Thanks - Bruce

 

Basically this.

 

 

Yes, a shallowing move, with forearm too. Going internal in transition kicks the elbow out.

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Easy way to remember - external - your hand goes away from your body or gets further from your body. Internal - hand goes into the body.

 

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Think about throwing a ball. First step is to wind up - external rotation (E comes before I in the alphabet). Second step is to actually throw the ball - internal rotation (I comes after E in the alphabet). Not as clear as I write this, but could be a good memorization device for some.

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Not to derail or add confusion, but when throwing a ball, I think it's the opposite:

 

Internal first during the windup: https://goo.gl/images/zhWWHE

 

Then external before release: https://goo.gl/images/XP2zaH

It's the same move in the golf swing.

 

Yes, but MysteryV wrote the opposite in his post, which is what he was responding to.

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Not to derail or add confusion, but when throwing a ball, I think it's the opposite:

 

Internal first during the windup: https://goo.gl/images/zhWWHE

 

Then external before release: https://goo.gl/images/XP2zaH

It's the same move in the golf swing.

 

Yes, but MysteryV wrote the opposite in his post, which is what he was responding to.

 

Yes, thanks. I should have quoted what I was replying to. For me, I thought GG says go internal to external, which is the same motion as throwing a ball. When I said opposite in my previous post, I meant that as a reply to the poster before me who said throwing is external to internal.

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Not to derail or add confusion, but when throwing a ball, I think it's the opposite:

 

Internal first during the windup: https://goo.gl/images/zhWWHE

 

Then external before release: https://goo.gl/images/XP2zaH

It's the same move in the golf swing.

 

Yes, but MysteryV wrote the opposite in his post, which is what he was responding to.

 

Yes, thanks. I should have quoted what I was replying to. For me, I thought GG says go internal to external, which is the same motion as throwing a ball. When I said opposite in my previous post, I meant that as a reply to the poster before me who said throwing is external to internal.

 

And whether you agree with it or not, and as GG often points out, he isn't reinventing the wheel here. Lots of very successful players went very internal on the backswing. But, with video or whatever the exact culprit, let's face it, most swings today look very similar on a macro level and students are often taught to keep that elbow tucked in. Also, it's not like he's teaching every swing to be as "exaggerated" as Matt's.

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Internal to external. Embrace the chicken wing in the back swing?

 

 

Internal doesn't mean chicken wing and the rotation that causes the shallowing comes way more from the forearm than the shoulder.

 

Interesting Dan. Should we be consciously thinking about that forearm rotation? I see what you're saying though. You can hold a club, not move your shoulder or elbow and all and obviously get a ton of shallowing simply from the right forearm rotating clockwise.

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Internal to external. Embrace the chicken wing in the back swing?

 

 

Internal doesn't mean chicken wing and the rotation that causes the shallowing comes way more from the forearm than the shoulder.

 

Interesting Dan. Should we be consciously thinking about that forearm rotation? I see what you're saying though. You can hold a club, not move your shoulder or elbow and all and obviously get a ton of shallowing simply from the right forearm rotating clockwise.

 

That’s a question I can’t answer. If you do things correctly most don’t have to consciously think about but some absolutely have to. It’s individual

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Internal to external. Embrace the chicken wing in the back swing?

 

 

Internal doesn't mean chicken wing and the rotation that causes the shallowing comes way more from the forearm than the shoulder.

 

Interesting Dan. Should we be consciously thinking about that forearm rotation? I see what you're saying though. You can hold a club, not move your shoulder or elbow and all and obviously get a ton of shallowing simply from the right forearm rotating clockwise.

 

That's a question I can't answer. If you do things correctly most don't have to consciously think about but some absolutely have to. It's individual

 

Got it! thanks

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Hello everyone - I have been watching some many of GG's videos that i don't know where to start. What should i be working on first. Is it moving the hips before hands and opening up the left knee?, is it my takeaway and getting my left arm parallel to the ground? Right now my swing is all over the place and I need to get it under control. I am trying to keep in mind to just swing at 75%. Any help would be great. I don't have a lot of time right now to get to a driving range with having a 19 month old son. What can i work on at home inside?

 

I really appreciate it guys. I want to drop from the 32 handicap I am right now and finally break 100.

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Hello everyone - I have been watching some many of GG's videos that i don't know where to start. What should i be working on first. Is it moving the hips before hands and opening up the left knee?, is it my takeaway and getting my left arm parallel to the ground? Right now my swing is all over the place and I need to get it under control. I am trying to keep in mind to just swing at 75%. Any help would be great. I don't have a lot of time right now to get to a driving range with having a 19 month old son. What can i work on at home inside?

 

I really appreciate it guys. I want to drop from the 32 handicap I am right now and finally break 100.

 

I would probably start with address position videos first. How he wants your posture to be, upper spine tilt, level pelvis, etc. I would also get videos on the grip. Just try to work chronologically.

 

I would also understand the positions, P1 thru P10. Just know what P1 thru P10 are. That will help get you talking the same language.

 

Not only should you watch videos on the setup because it's in chronological order of the swing...but, believe me...he's going to harp on your address position if it isn't where he wants it to be. I should know :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello everyone - I have been watching some many of GG's videos that i don't know where to start. What should i be working on first. Is it moving the hips before hands and opening up the left knee?, is it my takeaway and getting my left arm parallel to the ground? Right now my swing is all over the place and I need to get it under control. I am trying to keep in mind to just swing at 75%. Any help would be great. I don't have a lot of time right now to get to a driving range with having a 19 month old son. What can i work on at home inside?

 

I really appreciate it guys. I want to drop from the 32 handicap I am right now and finally break 100.

 

I would probably start with address position videos first. How he wants your posture to be, upper spine tilt, level pelvis, etc. I would also get videos on the grip. Just try to work chronologically.

 

I would also understand the positions, P1 thru P10. Just know what P1 thru P10 are. That will help get you talking the same language.

 

Not only should you watch videos on the setup because it's in chronological order of the swing...but, believe me...he's going to harp on your address position if it isn't where he wants it to be. I should know :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

 

Thanks Richie - I will check out some more videos on address. I was watching one on the grip and I do have to watch it again to fully comprehend it. (watching a lot of these at work) I don't think my grip is a problem(but i will check it out again). I do a weekly simulator league and I was in the hitting bay before this weeks session just trying to keep my swing easy and not force it. Also trying to open my hips towards the target. I think I was concentrating too much on trying to keep the back swing only to P3. I have to work more at getting proper P6 position. At P7 i was had a closed face most the time. Some real bad shots.. I also noticed that in trying this that i lost a lot of distance on my irons. I think that is because I am not coming all the way to P5. Now my driver is another story. I don't know if its physical or mental but I just cant hit it. I have it teed up correctly, I have my left shoulder titled up, and when i come through I still top the ball or I don't get any distance on it. This last week I pulled out my mini driver and I was doing the same thing and my distance was anywhere between 75y and 230y. Yeah it was bad.

 

I will keep checking it out and I appreciate the kind words on this. I feel that my shot is in there somewhere..

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Waynde Defranceso just post a video on YouTube comparing Matthew wolff’s swing with an old player from the 30s & 40s, Jimmy Bruen. Pretty amazing how similar the swings are, especially considering how unique we think wolff’s swing is.

 

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> @diablocrusher said:

> Waynde Defranceso just post a video on YouTube comparing Matthew wolff’s swing with an old player from the 30s & 40s, Jimmy Bruen. Pretty amazing how similar the swings are, especially considering how unique we think wolff’s swing is.

 

When i first saw Wolff's swing I thought of Jimmy Bruen. But when I look at it more in detail...yes, the backswings are fairly similar. Downswings are very different though. I would say that Wolff's swing more resembles Gay Brewer's.

 

 

 

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> I started struggling and had not been using a camera to record my swings and take a look. Mainly because it rained so much in the FLA in the month of May that I couldn't get out and practice. And I mean it rained practically the entire month of May.

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> I then tried to fix some things on my own w/o a camera and then tried some things from other instructors w/ a camera and that was a bad mistake. What got me back on track was going thru videos on his old Web site (I still have a membership until his new site is fully loaded w/videos) and working from there.

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> The online lessons are not cheap ($200), but GG really goes above and beyond. And the good news is that some of the changes I made to get back on track where what GG ended up prescribing in the online lesson. And there were some other things GG presented in the online lesson that I had not heard discussed before that I think are interesting.

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> For instance, yesterday we played 36 holes and the first 18 holes we played in perfect conditions and I shot the ugliest 77 one could shoot. And I needed to start striping the ball on the last 4 holes to shoot that 77.

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> Anyway, GG sent me an e-mail going thru each position of the swing with his commentary and then a final overview of what he wants me to work on. Then he sent me roughly 15 different videos going over what he wants me to work on.

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> It pretty much starts with the address position. My posture is where GG wants it now, but my pelvis is a little forward at address and I'm willing to bet that I have too much pressure on my right foot at address. That puts a lot of bad things in motion. This is one of the key things I worked on before GG got back to me.

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**"But getting more pressure on the left foot from p1 to p4 is the big key. "**

What do you mean by the above? do you mean as you rotate and pivot in backswing, you feel like you are putting more pressure on your lead foot?

Was hitting the ball so well when I incorporate a same feel (it almost feels like I am reverse pivoting). Not sure if this is the correct way or if I mastered the compensation move to hit the ball from that position.

 

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