Tiger's clubs for Safeway (Photo added page 19)

[JStang]

I think the discussion of Tiger "moving the needle" is nothing more than intrigue. People like to see other people fall from grace. Not a great character trait but it makes for a hell of a story to follow.

 

Let's be honest, who in this thread can honestly say that they are going to run out and buy a club or set of clubs just because Tiger is playing them?

[JStang]

I'm still holding on to hope for a Tiger Made line of clubs

 

Honest question

 

Why?

 

Because he's GOAT. And this thread makes it plenty obvious he still moves the needle more than anyone. All non golf people talk to me about is tiger. They couldn't name 3 other golfers

 

Except he's not - Nicklaus is

 

He should have been but that's over now. He's not winning a normal event let alone more majors.

 

Nobody in golf moves the needle.

 

 

I'd like to look at the viewings/attendance of the Safeway Open, and how drastically they changed when TW pulled out...

 

But if he doesn't move the needle, I'd guess it had little impact on the tournament.

 

The estimated 30%-40% increase in ticket sales when he entered the tournament tells a different story.

 

Ratings were substantially lower than they would have been. At least on Thursday and Friday before he missed the cut. If he had been in the field, you better believe I would have tuned in. Since he wasn't I didn't even turn it on.

[Anser]

I'm still holding on to hope for a Tiger Made line of clubs

Honest question Why?

Because he's GOAT. And this thread makes it plenty obvious he still moves the needle more than anyone. All non golf people talk to me about is tiger. They couldn't name 3 other golfers

Except he's not - Nicklaus is He should have been but that's over now. He's not winning a normal event let alone more majors. Nobody in golf moves the needle.

I'd like to look at the viewings/attendance of the Safeway Open, and how drastically they changed when TW pulled out... But if he doesn't move the needle, I'd guess it had little impact on the tournament. The estimated 30%-40% increase in ticket sales when he entered the tournament tells a different story.

 

Sorry I thought we were talking about clubs

 

Yes he sold more event tickets and got more tv's tuned to golf than anyone ever and he'd do that again for a few events until the inevitable trainwreck that his game has become is obvious. He's not playing because he doesn't want to tarnish his legacy - period.

 

But if he plays, he better get some tarn-x

[BlackM00Nlight]

The first thing that came to mind with the TGR announcement was his own line or branded line of clubs. A good point above that Nike has TW on lockdown so TGR makes sense. Hire some of the guys he's worked with over the years at the Oven, get a product line or 2 out there with TGR stamped on them instead of TW. It will still sell just like it always has.

 

You mean not very well?

 

Silly troll.. It's been proven over and over that Nike Golf equipment had a profit line, sizeable at that. Just not enough in the eyes of the execs.

[Anser]

The first thing that came to mind with the TGR announcement was his own line or branded line of clubs. A good point above that Nike has TW on lockdown so TGR makes sense. Hire some of the guys he's worked with over the years at the Oven, get a product line or 2 out there with TGR stamped on them instead of TW. It will still sell just like it always has.

 

You mean not very well?

 

Silly troll.. It's been proven over and over that Nike Golf equipment had a profit line, sizeable at that. Just not enough in the eyes of the execs.

 

That's why nobody would touch one of the blue clubs until they were closed out for $150

 

And why a brand new Golf Galaxy devoting 20% of their floor space had only soft goods and didn't carry a single Nike club.

 

They did NOT sell well. Don't mistake profit for quantity.

[djmohab2]

The first thing that came to mind with the TGR announcement was his own line or branded line of clubs. A good point above that Nike has TW on lockdown so TGR makes sense. Hire some of the guys he's worked with over the years at the Oven, get a product line or 2 out there with TGR stamped on them instead of TW. It will still sell just like it always has.

 

You mean not very well?

 

Silly troll.. It's been proven over and over that Nike Golf equipment had a profit line, sizeable at that. Just not enough in the eyes of the execs.

 

Can someone with a business acumen explain why that would be the reason for jettisoning the hard goods line? If they're turning a profit, that's money that Nike made that they would not have elsewise. Unless they think they can turn an even larger profit by focusing on soft goods only?

[Anser]

The first thing that came to mind with the TGR announcement was his own line or branded line of clubs. A good point above that Nike has TW on lockdown so TGR makes sense. Hire some of the guys he's worked with over the years at the Oven, get a product line or 2 out there with TGR stamped on them instead of TW. It will still sell just like it always has.

You mean not very well?

Silly troll.. It's been proven over and over that Nike Golf equipment had a profit line, sizeable at that. Just not enough in the eyes of the execs.

Can someone with a business acumen explain why that would be the reason for jettisoning the hard goods line? If they're turning a profit, that's money that Nike made that they would not have elsewise. Unless they think they can turn an even larger profit by focusing on soft goods only?

 

It's not a larger profit they just don't have to work very hard to take a $5 shirt, sell it for $35, then the retailer sells it for $70

[North Shore Golfer21]

Would you invest $90M to make $95M at most?

[mgholda]

The first thing that came to mind with the TGR announcement was his own line or branded line of clubs. A good point above that Nike has TW on lockdown so TGR makes sense. Hire some of the guys he's worked with over the years at the Oven, get a product line or 2 out there with TGR stamped on them instead of TW. It will still sell just like it always has.

 

You mean not very well?

 

Silly troll.. It's been proven over and over that Nike Golf equipment had a profit line, sizeable at that. Just not enough in the eyes of the execs.

 

Can someone with a business acumen explain why that would be the reason for jettisoning the hard goods line? If they're turning a profit, that's money that Nike made that they would not have elsewise. Unless they think they can turn an even larger profit by focusing on soft goods only?

Relative to everything else Nike sells the margin on hard goods is dilutive so you either invest to make it more profitable or you divest to improve your overall margins. They chose to divest based on the future prospects of the hard goods market.

 

[Shilgy]

The first thing that came to mind with the TGR announcement was his own line or branded line of clubs. A good point above that Nike has TW on lockdown so TGR makes sense. Hire some of the guys he's worked with over the years at the Oven, get a product line or 2 out there with TGR stamped on them instead of TW. It will still sell just like it always has.

 

You mean not very well?

 

Silly troll.. It's been proven over and over that Nike Golf equipment had a profit line, sizeable at that. Just not enough in the eyes of the execs.

 

That's why nobody would touch one of the blue clubs until they were closed out for $150

 

And why a brand new Golf Galaxy devoting 20% of their floor space had only soft goods and didn't carry a single Nike club.

 

They did NOT sell well. Don't mistake profit for quantity.

Say what? You would rather sell a lot then make a profit? :) What business are you in?

[BlackM00Nlight]

The first thing that came to mind with the TGR announcement was his own line or branded line of clubs. A good point above that Nike has TW on lockdown so TGR makes sense. Hire some of the guys he's worked with over the years at the Oven, get a product line or 2 out there with TGR stamped on them instead of TW. It will still sell just like it always has.

 

You mean not very well?

 

Silly troll.. It's been proven over and over that Nike Golf equipment had a profit line, sizeable at that. Just not enough in the eyes of the execs.

 

That's why nobody would touch one of the blue clubs until they were closed out for $150

 

And why a brand new Golf Galaxy devoting 20% of their floor space had only soft goods and didn't carry a single Nike club.

 

They did NOT sell well. Don't mistake profit for quantity.

Say what? You would rather sell a lot then make a profit? :) What business are you in?

 

He doesn't get it.. lol.

 

Oh, nobody partake of an investment opportunity with this guy either.

 

Nike did sell well, even the blue Vapor Fly line. If you'd take your head out of the anti-Nike themed imagine-land once in a while, you'd understand that by now. Even GolfWRX has published article after article on this website about how Nike WAS profitable and repeatedly so, in fact, one of the more profitable manufactures out there in golf. Nike just made a decision, as stated above, to get out now due to the declining margins in golf overall that every company is feeling. Quit being a raging anti-Nike troll Anser. It's not working out for you..

[DAKOTACO]

seen in person this morning.

B330s ball

TM M1 430 10deg, Tensei white 70X

[BlackM00Nlight]

seen in person this morning.

B330s ball

TM M1 430 10deg, Tensei white 70X

 

Pictures or it didn't happen, haha

 

[Oaks]

He doesn't get it.. lol.

 

Oh, nobody partake of an investment opportunity with this guy either.

 

Nike did sell well, even the blue Vapor Fly line. If you'd take your head out of the anti-Nike themed imagine-land once in a while, you'd understand that by now. Even GolfWRX has published article after article on this website about how Nike WAS profitable and repeatedly so, in fact, one of the more profitable manufactures out there in golf. Nike just made a decision, as stated above, to get out now due to the declining margins in golf overall that every company is feeling. Quit being a raging anti-Nike troll Anser. It's not working out for you..

 

Actually Anser is on point. I would rather invest with a company that sees upside in other markets that they can and know they can dominate and rake in hefty profits as opposed to a market/industry where they struggle to dominate/get the foothold that their shareholders demand.

 

Nike entered the Golf hardgoods industry and gave it a shot for over 15 years - they couldn't get past the hurdles of producing for the general public inferior equipment **gasp - I said it** for the public - their drivers NEEDED to be Custom fit but they didn't offer enough fitting centers/options for the general public. They arguably had the most dominant athlete of all times as the face of the brand and even with him they still couldn't unseat the opinions of the golfing community.

 

Golfers are funny - we like establishment - we like the brands that have been proven as winners and that stand the test of time. Yes, there are companies that come in and make an impression and good equipment - but they are doing just that - making equipment a priority. Nike never made Golf Clubs a corporate priority - why would they - they are a global company that makes money hand over fist and dominates most industries that they enter into. Profits drive everything in corporate America. TaylorMade golf is profitable and why is Adidas selling it? Simple reason - they aren't PROFITABLE ENOUGH! Shareholders demand a lot and they drive a lot. When this strategy doesn't work for them, they realize that while a particular segment may have been slightly profitable the gains for the industry are not there and do not warrant future investment.

 

Nike made a corporate decision - they can afford to divest the company and shut it down rather than to spin it off like Adidas with TM. I am sorry that you enjoyed Nike golf and feel that you need to continue to wave the flag for Nike but their equipment never made it past a 2-3% market share and they chose to take their toys and go home. I hope that your equipment works out for you, but their corporate decision was driven by Profitability Rates.

[BlackM00Nlight]

Anser's philosophy based on his words are sell a lot rather make a profit. Again, Nike Golf was proven to be profitable.

 

Nike chose to go a different route to maximize profit further which happened to shut the door on the equipment side of things. That doesn't mean Nike golf equipment wasn't profitable. It was outlined and shown that rather than spending X amount to make XX in profit, they can spend equal or less in a different area and make more profit than the past. None of that means Nike wasn't profitable or didn't sell, Nike simply chose to reinvest elsewhere for a larger return on a smaller investment to be more profitable. You don't start a company and make it 15 years, signing the biggest names in the sport, if you aren't profitable or selling the clubs..

 

Think smarter

[Pure745]

Anser's philosophy based on his words are sell a lot rather make a profit. Again, Nike Golf was proven to be profitable.

 

Nike chose to go a different route to maximize profit further which happened to shut the door on the equipment side of things. That doesn't mean Nike golf equipment wasn't profitable. It was outlined and shown that rather than spending X amount to make XX in profit, they can spend equal or less in a different area and make more profit than the past. None of that means Nike wasn't profitable or didn't sell, Nike simply chose to reinvest elsewhere for a larger return on a smaller investment to be more profitable. You don't start a company and make it 15 years, signing the biggest names in the sport, if you aren't profitable or selling the clubs..

 

Think smarter

 

Are you missing the 2-3% market share point?

[Oaks]

Anser's philosophy based on his words are sell a lot rather make a profit. Again, Nike Golf was proven to be profitable.

 

Nike chose to go a different route to maximize profit further which happened to shut the door on the equipment side of things. That doesn't mean Nike golf equipment wasn't profitable. It was outlined and shown that rather than spending X amount to make XX in profit, they can spend equal or less in a different area and make more profit than the past. None of that means Nike wasn't profitable or didn't sell, Nike simply chose to reinvest elsewhere for a larger return on a smaller investment to be more profitable. You don't start a company and make it 15 years, signing the biggest names in the sport, if you aren't profitable or selling the clubs..

 

Think smarter

 

Are you missing the 2-3% market share point?

 

Pure - it doesn't fit his argument so he omits it.

[DAKOTACO]

seen in person this morning.

B330s ball

TM M1 430 10deg, Tensei white 70X

 

Pictures or it didn't happen, haha

 

 

if I started taking pictures of his clubs with him standing there im pretty sure I would loose my job.

[BlackM00Nlight]

Anser's philosophy based on his words are sell a lot rather make a profit. Again, Nike Golf was proven to be profitable.

 

Nike chose to go a different route to maximize profit further which happened to shut the door on the equipment side of things. That doesn't mean Nike golf equipment wasn't profitable. It was outlined and shown that rather than spending X amount to make XX in profit, they can spend equal or less in a different area and make more profit than the past. None of that means Nike wasn't profitable or didn't sell, Nike simply chose to reinvest elsewhere for a larger return on a smaller investment to be more profitable. You don't start a company and make it 15 years, signing the biggest names in the sport, if you aren't profitable or selling the clubs..

 

Think smarter

 

Are you missing the 2-3% market share point?

 

Pure - it doesn't fit his argument so he omits it.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273923/golf-equipment-companies-by-revenue/

 

doesn't look like 2-3% to me..

 

seen in person this morning.

B330s ball

TM M1 430 10deg, Tensei white 70X

 

Pictures or it didn't happen, haha

 

 

if I started taking pictures of his clubs with him standing there im pretty sure I would loose my job.

 

I'm just teasing! So is it a bonded or adjustable driver? Has to be adjustable as no bonded TM 430 has been on the PGA list so far

[Bomber_11]

Golf was the Nike's worst performing category in its last fiscal year, as sales fell 8% to $706 million, which followed a 2% decline the year before. Golf was also the only segment to lose sales on a constant currency basis last year, and has become Nike's smallest revenue contributor.

 

10% over 2 years doesn't necessarily mean the golf sector of Nike was not profitable, but it resulted in golf hard goods being the least profitable group under the Nike Umbrella. No company on earth is going to keep dumping money into a business unit that consistently yields smaller and smaller returns. Not to mention the "Tiger Effect" has grossly run out, and the "Rory Factor" never really sat in.

 

I will never buy into Nike equipment being inferior, as they spent more on R&D than almost any other golf company. They were innovative, sometimes to a fault. But especially in recent years (VR and forward), they've had every bit as good of equipment as anyone else.

 

Nike got into golf in hopes of riding Mr. Woods to a lifetime of high profitability - that didn't happen - and they got back out of it. It's all about riding your fastest horse for as long as you can. Sadly, even he couldn't make a legendary shoe and clothing company into a long-term successful golf equipment company.

[Mula]

Anser's philosophy based on his words are sell a lot rather make a profit. Again, Nike Golf was proven to be profitable.

 

Nike chose to go a different route to maximize profit further which happened to shut the door on the equipment side of things. That doesn't mean Nike golf equipment wasn't profitable. It was outlined and shown that rather than spending X amount to make XX in profit, they can spend equal or less in a different area and make more profit than the past. None of that means Nike wasn't profitable or didn't sell, Nike simply chose to reinvest elsewhere for a larger return on a smaller investment to be more profitable. You don't start a company and make it 15 years, signing the biggest names in the sport, if you aren't profitable or selling the clubs..

 

Think smarter

 

Are you missing the 2-3% market share point?

 

Anser's philosophy based on his words are sell a lot rather make a profit. Again, Nike Golf was proven to be profitable.

 

Nike chose to go a different route to maximize profit further which happened to shut the door on the equipment side of things. That doesn't mean Nike golf equipment wasn't profitable. It was outlined and shown that rather than spending X amount to make XX in profit, they can spend equal or less in a different area and make more profit than the past. None of that means Nike wasn't profitable or didn't sell, Nike simply chose to reinvest elsewhere for a larger return on a smaller investment to be more profitable. You don't start a company and make it 15 years, signing the biggest names in the sport, if you aren't profitable or selling the clubs..

 

Think smarter

 

Are you missing the 2-3% market share point?

 

Pure - it doesn't fit his argument so he omits it.

 

fact

[jaymay82]

seen in person this morning.

B330s ball

TM M1 430 10deg, Tensei white 70X

 

Pictures or it didn't happen, haha

 

 

if I started taking pictures of his clubs with him standing there im pretty sure I would loose my job.

 

Cool story bro

[GolfSINC]

seen in person this morning.

B330s ball

TM M1 430 10deg, Tensei white 70X

 

Pictures or it didn't happen, haha

 

 

if I started taking pictures of his clubs with him standing there im pretty sure I would loose my job.

 

Cool story bro

Exactly. If you're a reporter or something I'd hate to be your editor.

[Shilgy]

Anser's philosophy based on his words are sell a lot rather make a profit. Again, Nike Golf was proven to be profitable.

 

Nike chose to go a different route to maximize profit further which happened to shut the door on the equipment side of things. That doesn't mean Nike golf equipment wasn't profitable. It was outlined and shown that rather than spending X amount to make XX in profit, they can spend equal or less in a different area and make more profit than the past. None of that means Nike wasn't profitable or didn't sell, Nike simply chose to reinvest elsewhere for a larger return on a smaller investment to be more profitable. You don't start a company and make it 15 years, signing the biggest names in the sport, if you aren't profitable or selling the clubs..

 

Think smarter

 

Are you missing the 2-3% market share point?

Seriously curious if you have a market share breakdown in hard goods? What percentage do other brands have?

[Pure745]

Anser's philosophy based on his words are sell a lot rather make a profit. Again, Nike Golf was proven to be profitable.

 

Nike chose to go a different route to maximize profit further which happened to shut the door on the equipment side of things. That doesn't mean Nike golf equipment wasn't profitable. It was outlined and shown that rather than spending X amount to make XX in profit, they can spend equal or less in a different area and make more profit than the past. None of that means Nike wasn't profitable or didn't sell, Nike simply chose to reinvest elsewhere for a larger return on a smaller investment to be more profitable. You don't start a company and make it 15 years, signing the biggest names in the sport, if you aren't profitable or selling the clubs..

 

Think smarter

 

Are you missing the 2-3% market share point?

Seriously curious if you have a market share breakdown in hard goods? What percentage do other brands have?

 

Actually found Nike's market share to be 5% in a Golf.com article. Would like to see the other OEM's standings as well, I've heard different numbers, but nothing concrete. Either way, to say 5% market share is "selling" is not really the case. Nike fan boys on here are a little over the top. :)

[PaulCar65]

Actually ALL fan boys are over the top but Nike boys are taking the lead and I'm a Nike HO

[cota0429]

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[sneaky]

What the what? Pure, you're not a Nike Fanboy? That's cold. You just made MT and DF cry. Even Dre is speechless. He can't even type.

[justwellsy]

Would you invest $90M to make $95M at most?

 

If I was worth $90M I wouldn't invest it all for the CHANCE to make $5M pure profit. But if I was worth about $750M I would surely invest $90M for the chance to make another $5M. Let's face it, it's not just about making $5M... it's also about having something that's YOURS and feeding the ego

[Kylekoz17]

seen in person this morning.

B330s ball

TM M1 430 10deg, Tensei white 70X

 

Back to tiger's clubs. I'm calling bs on this since he's on a big media tour and no way he hit balls today.