Tilt switch?

[RickyA12]

I've seen this mentioned pretty frequently here over the last couple of months. What is it and what does it accomplish? Thanks in advance

[sprcoop]

Others that have a clue will chime in shortly I'm certain, but... tilt switch is the action of turning your bend forward at the waist into tilting to the side.

 

At address you are tilted forward with maybe a little secondary spine tilt away from the ball. At the top of the bs when your hips fire ahead of your shoulders to maintain spine angle at impact you are crunching your lower rib closer to your hip more bending sideways than forward.

 

I'm sure I butchered it but that's what I think.

[starsail85]

Tilts change in backswing and downswing

 

At address you have forward bend (and some right tilt from two back sections ) as you rotate back to the top of your swing you lose forward bend and extend , whilst increasing left tilt/left side bend . The result is what looks like you have maintained spine angle viewed DTL

 

In the downswing this process is reversed , the hips go back into flexion (increasing forward bend again) and the leftward tilt is moved back to right tilt

 

Tilt switch as Jim Waldron describes it is the reversing of the leftward tilt to rightward tilt

 

A tough move in my experience , but the lateral hip shift helps facilitate it (for me )

[Jim Waldron]

Starsails has it right - it means precisely the reverse tilting of the torso, mainly from the mid-back region with a bit from lower back too.

 

Left tilt switches to right tilt early in Transition.

 

The number one cause of OTT is lack of any Tilt Switch.

[zoots]

Nothing new in the golf swing. Just the latest buzz word to describe it.

[Tanner25]

Tilts change in backswing and downswing

 

At address you have forward bend (and some right tilt from two back sections ) as you rotate back to the top of your swing you lose forward bend and extend , whilst increasing left tilt/left side bend . The result is what looks like you have maintained spine angle viewed DTL

 

In the downswing this process is reversed , the hips go back into flexion (increasing forward bend again) and the leftward tilt is moved back to right tilt

 

Tilt switch as Jim Waldron describes it is the reversing of the leftward tilt to rightward tilt

 

A tough move in my experience , but the lateral hip shift helps facilitate it (for me )

 

I find intentionally left tilting in the BS, is a killer for my lower back

[MonteScheinblum]

Tilts change in backswing and downswing

 

At address you have forward bend (and some right tilt from two back sections ) as you rotate back to the top of your swing you lose forward bend and extend , whilst increasing left tilt/left side bend . The result is what looks like you have maintained spine angle viewed DTL

 

In the downswing this process is reversed , the hips go back into flexion (increasing forward bend again) and the leftward tilt is moved back to right tilt

 

Tilt switch as Jim Waldron describes it is the reversing of the leftward tilt to rightward tilt

 

A tough move in my experience , but the lateral hip shift helps facilitate it (for me )

 

I find intentionally left tilting in the BS, is a killer for my lower back

 

That's because you're narrow and you don't left tilt at the ball, you reverse tilt toward the target.

[moehogan]

Squish (thanks, Tom!) or contract your right QL in transition. This can be facilitated by reaching the end of ROM rotating the entire right arm clockwise. The entire right side is now synced and ready to deliver the uppercut!

 

[Silky]

Squish (thanks, Tom!) or contract your right QL in transition. This can be facilitated by reaching the end of ROM rotating the entire right arm clockwise. The entire right side is now synced and ready to deliver the uppercut!

 

 

 

My old concept has been that I am totally wound up at the top of swing. This is wrong according to you, we are fully wound up ready to let go when the right elbow connected to the torso and the right shoulder in external rotation?

[moehogan]

Squish (thanks, Tom!) or contract your right QL in transition. This can be facilitated by reaching the end of ROM rotating the entire right arm clockwise. The entire right side is now synced and ready to deliver the uppercut!

 

 

 

My old concept has been that I am totally wound up at the top of swing. This is wrong according to you, we are fully wound up ready to let go when the right elbow connected to the torso and the right shoulder in external rotation?

 

Not fully loaded until somewhere between P5 and P6.

[TB07]

You tilt left in backswing so you tilt right in downswing. That's all tilt switch is.

[starsail85]

The shallowing brigade should pay this move more attention

[Millbrook]

There is a secret to it which I'm going to ask my coach about today.

 

If my assessment is not complete idiocy will report back.

[Golf nerd]

As usual any move can be overdone. Same with tilt switch. Meaning that if you do it too much too early you may be stuck. It's a blend of right shoulder down while turning shoulder girdle left (out). In some cases the tilt switch is performed later to give the arms a split second to come down/forward. The tilt switch can pull the arms down too much causing the shaft to steepen.

 

Example:

 

[Shilgy]

Reinventing the wheel? I was taught to "feel" like I just maintained my spine angle and swing around that. It may not be exactly what really happens but it gives the same result imo.

[PJ72]

Starsails has it right - it means precisely the reverse tilting of the torso, mainly from the mid-back region with a bit from lower back too.

 

Left tilt switches to right tilt early in Transition.

 

The number one cause of OTT is lack of any Tilt Switch.

 

Do you actually mean that there iS right tilt (i.e. hips away from target)? Or do you mean that you just straighten up (i.e. hips central)?

 

I think using tilt for forward bend and side bend is confusing. Should be tilt for left/right, and bend for forward and backward. People are using the term tilt, without putting forward/left/secondary/primary etc before it.

[Jim Waldron]

Starsails has it right - it means precisely the reverse tilting of the torso, mainly from the mid-back region with a bit from lower back too.

 

Left tilt switches to right tilt early in Transition.

 

The number one cause of OTT is lack of any Tilt Switch.

 

Do you actually mean that there iS right tilt (i.e. hips away from target)? Or do you mean that you just straighten up (i.e. hips central)?

 

I think using tilt for forward bend and side bend is confusing. Should be tilt for left/right, and bend for forward and backward. People are using the term tilt, without putting forward/left/secondary/primary etc before it.

 

This is an easy issue to get wrong using words. And has been debated many times on this forum going back years. Most folks can't relate to what "right" or "left" mean, that is the problem.

 

Those two words have zero reference to the ball or to the target line or to the target or away from target direction in space.

 

They ONLY mean the golfer's torso, ie tilting to your left side of your torso on backswing and right side in forward swing.

 

Problem gets compounded when thinking visually in 2D mode since in a real golf swing your torso is also rotating in 3D space.

 

You are tilting toward your left side of torso at same time that torso is rotating in space away from the target, and then reverses in forward swing.

 

And to make it even more complicated, your torso is also moving from hip flexion, ie torso and hip girdle bending forward over the tops of your upper legs (femur in hip sockets) to extension on backswing, then that reverses on Transition back into flexion, and then during Release to Finish the move into extension happens once again.

 

It's why maybe at best 1 out of 100 golfers will be able to figure this out working solo on the Internet and Youtube.

 

You really need a lesson to breakthrough all of the many dead ends and pitfalls on this swing fundamental.

[PJ72]

Brilliant Jim!

 

I have no idea what you're talking about though haha.

 

However, i just watched your shortened version of one of your videos where you discuss the tilt switch....and i understand what it is now, and how brilliant that move is. I've never ever thought of that being a 'move', as it isn't a rotation around the vertical spine, like we have it drummed into us in all instruction, i,e. Turn your upper body around your spine. Is this another of those swing illusions that you touch on in your videos? Massively interesting.

[jurr80]

Buy my lessons. I’ll over-complicate things to the point that you need to buy a three day course with me.

 

And guess what? Your handicap won’t improve.

 

I wish I could charge money in my profession and never guarantee results.

I’d be sued for malpractice.

 

Feel the weight of the club head and swing.

 

My wife has never hit a slice, and that’s all I told her.

A good grip and a loose swing- feeling the weight.

It’s magical.

 

[PJ72]

Buy my lessons. Ill over-complicate things to the point that you need to buy a three day course with me.

 

And guess what? Your handicap wont improve.

 

I wish I could charge money in my profession and never guarantee results.

Id be sued for malpractice.

 

Feel the weight of the club head and swing.

 

My wife has never hit a slice, and thats all I told her.

A good grip and a loose swing- feeling the weight.

Its magical.

Haha. Fair point.

 

 

What's your handicap? And your wife's?

[PJ72]

You tilt left in backswing so you tilt right in downswing. That's all tilt switch is.

 

When you say left/right, you mean left towards target and right is away?

[Golfbeat]

Starsails has it right - it means precisely the reverse tilting of the torso, mainly from the mid-back region with a bit from lower back too.

 

Left tilt switches to right tilt early in Transition.

 

The number one cause of OTT is lack of any Tilt Switch.

 

Do you actually mean that there iS right tilt (i.e. hips away from target)? Or do you mean that you just straighten up (i.e. hips central)?

 

I think using tilt for forward bend and side bend is confusing. Should be tilt for left/right, and bend for forward and backward. People are using the term tilt, without putting forward/left/secondary/primary etc before it.

 

This is an easy issue to get wrong using words. And has been debated many times on this forum going back years. Most folks can't relate to what "right" or "left" mean, that is the problem.

 

Those two words have zero reference to the ball or to the target line or to the target or away from target direction in space.

 

They ONLY mean the golfer's torso, ie tilting to your left side of your torso on backswing and right side in forward swing.

 

Problem gets compounded when thinking visually in 2D mode since in a real golf swing your torso is also rotating in 3D space.

 

You are tilting toward your left side of torso at same time that torso is rotating in space away from the target, and then reverses in forward swing.

 

And to make it even more complicated, your torso is also moving from hip flexion, ie torso and hip girdle bending forward over the tops of your upper legs (femur in hip sockets) to extension on backswing, then that reverses on Transition back into flexion, and then during Release to Finish the move into extension happens once again.

 

It's why maybe at best 1 out of 100 golfers will be able to figure this out working solo on the Internet and Youtube.

 

You really need a lesson to breakthrough all of the many dead ends and pitfalls on this swing fundamental.

 

I think it is not more complicated than this.

 

[Silveird]

i stumbled on jim's videos the other day and have had great success with tilt switch early in my transition. i recommend watching the video rather than trying to decipher a written explanation. you have to see it to understand it. here is the clip where he talks about tilt switch, explanation starting at 6:30 mark.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8cjlCLXfAQ

 

also, jim is spot on when he says this is a common denominator among pros. now that i'm conscious of the movement it's easy to see it in all pro swings, especially when you watch in slow motion.